Who do you think will win Trump or Biden or Kanye?

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Who will win Trump or Biden or Kanye?

  • Donald Trump

    Votes: 35 85.4%
  • Joe Biden

    Votes: 4 9.8%
  • Not sure

    Votes: 2 4.9%
  • Kanye West

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Total voters
    41

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Well it's better than nothing. Depending on who gets the job in the Supreme Court, we could see more being done to protect and look after the unborn babies.
I hadn't heard about that before. When I found an article on it, I realized I hadn't read your post carefully -- he hasn't signed anything yet -- he is saying he will sign something. He announced that at a Catholic event. It looks like electioneering to me, trying to get as many Catholic votes that he can. Biden is Catholic. Someone (I think it was another Senator) who knows him says he carries a rosary in his pocket. So it looks more like campaigning to me than anything substantial. I don't even know what he really means. Neither do some doctors according to a story I read.

Trump announces ‘Born Alive’ executive order | ABC27

President Trump announced Wednesday he will sign an executive order that would require medical care be given to babies who are born alive after failed abortion attempts.

“I will be signing the Born-Alive Executive Order to ensure that all precious babies born alive, no matter their circumstances, receive the medical care that they deserve. This is our sacrosanct moral duty,” said Trump in a pre-recorded video address during the 16th annual National Catholic Prayer Breakfast.

Trump said his administration is increasing funding for neonatal research to ensure “every child has the very best chance to thrive and grow.”

Organizations representing obstetricians and gynecologists say the law already provides protections to newborns, whether born during a failed abortion or under other circumstances. But when anomalies are so severe that a newborn would die soon after birth, a family may choose what’s known as palliative care or comfort care. This might involve allowing the baby to die naturally without medical intervention.

It is not necessarily a crime to forgo sophisticated medical intervention in cases where severe fetal abnormalities leave a newborn with no chance of survival. This has happened on rare occasions in the course of a late-term abortion. The U.S. government recorded 143 deaths between 2003 and 2014 involving infants born alive during attempted abortions.

It's a distraction from the real issue. I don't think about 12 deaths a year of infants born alive during attempted abortions is a major problem. The article doesn't say how many of those 143 deaths between 2003 and 2014 involved babies who would have died anyway. Some mothers decide to have abortions if a fetus is deformed or diagnosed with a fatal disease.

Trump is also playing games with other healthcare issues. Now he's promised to provide healthcare that's already present under Obamacare which he's trying to do away with. I find it strange.

https://news.yahoo.com/trump-health-care-plan-preexisting-conditions-obamacare-repeal-221123672.htm

President Trump announced Thursday that he would seek to guarantee health care coverage for Americans with preexisting conditions, a protection that is already part of the Affordable Care Act his administration is seeking to repeal.

“The historic action I’m taking today includes the first-ever executive order to affirm it is the official policy of the United States government to protect patients with preexisting conditions,” Trump said at an event in Charlotte, N.C., where he signed an executive order that he claimed would improve health care in the U.S.

Under the ACA, which was passed under former President Barack Obama, Americans with preexisting health conditions cannot be denied health coverage by insurers. Trump’s new executive order, meanwhile, amounts to a pledge and comes after he has repeatedly attempted to gut current health care law.

On a call earlier in the day, White House officials said that Trump’s “protections” for preexisting conditions would not actually be law should the ACA be repealed, but were a "defined statement of U.S. policy.” The White House also announced that Trump would be giving Congress a Jan. 1 deadline to pass legislation on surprise medical billing and encouraging more health care choice.

I honestly don't understand what he's doing. I doubt he knows himself.

I can see what he's trying to do in Iowa however. He's trying to use federal tax dollars to buy votes. Iowa is close in the polls -- very close. His trade policy -- or should I call it trade war -- with China has driven many small farmers into bankruptcy when China started slapping tariffs on agricultural products from the US. China started buying more things from other countries -- hurting American farmers.

Federal Payments to Farmers Have Tripled Since 2017, and Trump Just Promised Even More

It was March 2, 2018, when President Donald Trump's top trade adviser appeared on Fox Business Network to reassure Americans that other countries wouldn't retaliate against new tariffs proposed by the White House.

Those tariffs on imported steel and aluminum were the first major battle in what's become an expensive and largely unsuccessful 2 1/2 year-long trade war. But even at that early stage, it was obvious to some observers that the trade war wouldn't be as easy or beneficial as the Trump administration was promising. "Should we expect China and others to come back and say, 'Oh really America? Well take this, I'm going to raise tariffs and retaliate on farm goods," Fox Business' Maria Bartiromo directly asked Peter Navarro, director of the White House Office of Trade and Manufacturing Policy, during that March 2 interview.

Trump overplayed that hand. He also attempted to bluff Canada with tariffs on aluminum. The US at present doesn't manufacture enough aluminum to satisfy domestic demand. Unless more American companies start making more aluminum, we need Canadian aluminum; but Trump slapped a tariff on it. That was at a time when beer consumption in bars was down and people were buying more beer in cans to drink at home. The first I knew about an aluminum shortage was when I went to buy generic sodas in cans. There was a sign saying they apologized if some flavors were out of stock, but there was an aluminum shortage. I guess it affected only their generic brand -- the big name sodas were all there. Last week when I went again, I saw the same sign. I was curious and researched it. It doesn't make sense to put a tariff on something when demand for Canadian aluminum was going up and American companies couldn't produce that much.

Prime Minister Trudeau looked dazed when he first had to deal with Trump; but I think Trudeau's figured Trump out now. Canada said they would impose tariffs on American goods unless the US removed the tariff on aluminum. Who's the better poker player? Trudeau looks like he is. He called Trump's bluff, and Trump folded. He removed the aluminum tariff. It would be very awkward for Trump if Trudeau hit the US with tariffs right before an election. Jobs lost? Probably -- and Biden would make campaign ads about it, saying Trump's trade policy was hurting American jobs. I think Trudeau is clever enough too to know what states to pinpoint. The Chinese were clever that way. You pick swing states where a few votes matter, and you target products from those states.
 

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Now we're back to how China pinpointed agriculture in its tariffs. Trump did very well in 2016 with American farmers, and Chinese tariffs hurt those farmers. Here's a little of that history from the article at Reason.

Retaliation from several countries, but especially from China, caused exports of American agricultural goods to plummet in the years that followed. In 2017, the last year before the trade war began, China imported more than $19 billion in American farm goods, which fell to $9 billion in 2018 and rebounded weakly to $13 billion in 2019. Exports to other countries have been unable to make up the difference and, as a result, overall agricultural exports have fallen since the trade war began—ironically, given Trump's focus on trade deficits, that means America now has a smaller farm goods trade surplus than at any time since 2006.

But to fix one self-inflicted wound, the Trump administration made another. Starting in 2018 and ramping up last year, the White House began making billions of dollars of direct payments to farmers who had been economically injured by the trade war. The Trump farm bailouts are on pace to cost taxpayers more than $37 billion this year—a huge increase over the total cost of direct farm payments, as tracked by the U.S. Department of Agriculture, in pre-trade war times.
Most of that money went to corporate farming, by the way. Many smaller farms, often in families for generations, went bankrupt. So far as I know, all the prior payments to farmers were approved by Congress; but it's an election year now, and Trump couldn't get Congress to appropriate more money, so he did it on his own under an obscure rule or law from decades ago.

The farm bailout has already cost taxpayers more than $28 billion—a total that doesn't include $14 billion in spending announced this week by the U.S. Department of Agriculture (USDA)—all without a single dollar being approved by Congress. Instead, the White House has activated a long-dormant Depression-era program to borrow the funds directly from the Treasury.

I'd say Trump is using that $14 billion to help his campaign, in an attempt to buy votes.

"I am doing even more to support Wisconsin farmers," Trump said during a rally in Wisconsin on Friday. "Starting next week, my administration is committing an additional—you have been asking for this for a long time—$13 billion in relief to help farmers recover from the China virus, including Wisconsin's incredible dairy, cranberry and ginseng farmers who got hurt badly."

It looks desperate and delusional to me if he thinks he can buy the election in Wisconsin. It might work in Iowa, but he's delusional if he thinks he can win Wisconsin. RealClearPolitics - Election 2020 - Wisconsin: Trump vs. Biden Biden already has over 50% of the vote there. Even if all 6% of the undecided finally decided to vote for Trump, he couldn't win there.

I love Reason magazine -- I used to subscribe to it by mail. I agree with their assessment that this looks like socialism.

Blaming the coronavirus pandemic is a clever bit of campaign-trail rhetoric, but it's clear that American farmers were hurting long before the world knew about COVID-19. Wisconsin dairy farmers have been hit particularly hard recently—the state saw roughly 10 percent of its dairy farms close in 2019, before coronavirus hit—and the state is, of course, a key battleground in the upcoming presidential election.

If the farm bailouts were an exception, maybe Republicans could be forgiven for looking the other way. But Trump has expanded the cost of government on almost every front during the past four years. For a guy running against the supposed socialism of the political left, Trump sure has embraced a lot of socialism on his own when it has been politically advantageous to do so.

But even if Trump is defeated and the trade war comes to an end, taxpayers may end up footing a larger bill for farm subsidies for years. There's nothing as permanent as a temporary government program, after all.

I don't know if the US would survive another four years with Trump as President. We were already running record deficits before Covid-19. Our national debt now is bigger than GDP. Can we really afford $14 billion to bail out farmers from a situation that Trump created when he thought he could bully China with tariffs? The tragedy, as I see it, is that many Trump voters who have been hurt by his policies still believe in him, still think he's a financial genius.

The global politics worry me too. No one sees the American President anymore as leader of the free world. Trump hates multilateral agreements, being convinced he can get better deals with bilateral ones. I would like to see the US back in the Pacific trade agreement -- in a coalition that is pro-democracy and anti-Chinese economic aggression. As it is, China seems able to throw its weight around since too many countries in the Pacific region don't feel America has their back.

I do not think Trump was right to demand an investigation of WHO and how China handled the virus. I disagreed with that; but I add that I can understand why PM Morrison then demanded the same thing. I saw it as an attempt to support Trump and the US. I gave Morrison a point for that, even if I disagreed with him. At least he was trying to be cooperative. What followed was very disappointing. Trump seemed willing to let China and Australia thrash things out on their own. I felt as if Trump had abandoned Morrison when he should have been showing support.

You can see what happened. China played up to Australia's wanting to increase their agricultural products. That put Australia and the US on opposing sides. China didn't need American soybeans and other things if they could buy them from Australia. Trump got out-maneuvered because China could play the "divide and conquer" game -- indeed, Trump helped China by not having multi-lateral agreements.


39 days to go until the US election. Might take quite a bit longer to find out the final result though.
Unless something big happens, the results are predictable. The American media, in 2016, naively assumed because Clinton was ahead in the national polls, she would win. She did get more votes nationally. She still lost, so the American media is reluctant to say now that Biden is going to win unless something big happens.

A candidate needs 270 electoral votes to win. My own tally shows Biden with 289 in the "firmly Biden" camp where he's at 49% or 50% -- where people have made up their minds already. Trump has 110. There are 64 votes leaning towards Biden and 75 to Trump. Trump would lose even if he could get all those swing states leaning to Biden to go his way. He'd still have only 249 votes. There would have to a major shift for Trump to win.

Say there are problems counting the votes in some states: North Carolina, Ohio and Florida. It would still be clear Biden had won. If you add Pennsylvania with its 20 votes, that still wouldn't be enough for Trump to win -- he'd wind up with 269 votes, assuming he won all four of those swing states.
 

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@Giuliano the issue though, is they aren't completely fixing the problems, if they were to successfully decrease Abortion deaths to a lot lower number that would be something, but it's not good replacing it with covid deaths.
 

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@Giuliano the issue though, is they aren't completely fixing the problems, if they were to successfully decrease Abortion deaths to a lot lower number that would be something, but it's not good replacing it with covid deaths.
I think a major obstacle to getting the abortion laws changed is that anti-abortion people want to make religious arguments against it. Such arguments are fine, but they don't work in courts.

The anti-abortion politicians are also constantly doing what Trump just did -- next to nothing. It's not really doing much if anything. He was trying to get Catholics to vote for him. That's what it's about for the politicians.

I think I could make some really good secular arguments. One standard we hear about is about whether a fetus could survive on its own. Is that a reasonable standard to determine if a person exists? If you had a wife who was in an accident and who was so handicapped, she couldn't move around on her own, would she cease to be a person? She couldn't support herself financially, couldn't feed herself, couldn't do much at all without constant aid. I think we'd agree she was still a person. Almost every argument put forth in favor of allowing abortion can be countered logically, and without appealing to religion.

A fetus has an illness and it's known it won't live past the age of five? Is that a justification for ending its life? If so, what about babies who are born with such sicknesses? Would it be okay to kill them too? What about adults diagnosed with a disease known to kill in a matter of months or years? Should we kill them too? On and on it goes. Abortion became a religious issue in the US; and no one seems to know how to argue against abortion except in religious terms.

Rape and incest? Some "religious" people see those as valid exceptions. It stuns me. What if a woman gave birth not knowing who the baby's father was? Say the child is five or even older when a DNA test shows it wasn't her husband's baby but the result of incest or rape? Would it be okay to kill the child then? Does someone cease to be a human because of who it's father was? Religious people who make that exception show me they honestly believe fetuses are persons, not if they're willing to allow abortions depending on who the parents were.

Odd as it may sound, the number of abortions went down in Italy when abortion and birth control were legalized. Now it's almost entirely immigrants who get abortions in Italy -- they're worried about the future. They don't know if they'll be able to afford children down the road.

The number went down under Obama too. I think we know what could be done to reduce the number of abortions. The pro-life politicians aren't willing to do them. If you have a married couple, both working at minimum wage, how is it that they worry about their economic future? It used to be that a man worked while his wife and children didn't. He could support them on his wages. Today, both husband and wife can be working but still find they can't make ends meet. Why is that?
 
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The Senate sent Trump a message, "Don't even think about that, sir!" I think it tells us the Senate knows Trump is going to lose and they don't a lot of unnecessary conflict over it.

Senate Passes Peaceful Transfer of Power Resolution

The Republican-controlled Senate passed a resolution from Sen. Joe Manchin (D-WV) reaffirming its “commitment to the orderly and peaceful transfer of power,” after President Donald Trump refused to commit to a peaceful transfer if he loses the presidential election.

Manchin’s resolution read that the Senate “reaffirms its commitment to the orderly and peaceful transfer of power called for in the Constitution of the United States,” and “intends that there should be no disruptions by the President or any person in power to overturn the will of the people of the United States.”

The resolution was passed by unanimous consent in the Republican-controlled Senate on Thursday.

“It’s a shame that we have to come and reaffirm our commitment to our country, to our Constitution, and who we are as a people and how we became a great country, the greatest country on Earth, the freedoms that we all take for granted,” said Manchin in a floor speech following passage of the resolution. “And sometimes we hear things that challenge that, and we heard that yesterday, and we were very concerned about that.”
 

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I wonder if Brad Parscale got worried about being prosecuted for how he mishandled Trump's campaign funds. I thought he might wind up in prison over it. Maybe it will be a mental ward?

Former Trump campaign manager Brad Parscale, armed, barricades self in Fort Lauderdale home, police called

Former campaign manager for Donald Trump, Brad Parscale, who was replaced by the President less than four months until November’s vote was reportedly armed with a gun and threatening to harm himself at his Fort Lauderdale home on Sunday afternoon.

Police have not confirmed that the barricaded man was Parscale, who worked for Trump, but records confirm that the property in the 2300 block of Desota Drive in Fort Lauderdale is owned by Parscale, 44, and his wife, Candice. Local 10 spoke to neighbors in the Seven Isles neighborhood who also said it was the former advisor to the President.

Fort Lauderdale Police responded to a home in reference to an armed male attempting suicide Sunday afternoon. When officers arrived on the scene, they made contact with the wife of the man who told them her husband was armed, had access to multiple firearms inside the house and was threatening to harm himself. She had placed the 911 call, according to police.

Fort Lauderdale Police said that the armed subject was transported to Broward Health Medical Center where he was placed under a Baker Act.

Police determined no one else was in the home.

A statement from President Trump’s Campaign Communications Director, Tim Murtaugh, states: "Brad Parscale is a member of our family and we all love him. We are ready to support him and his family in any way possible.”
 

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President Trump said he wants Biden to take a drug test before the debate.

Trump calls for Biden to take a drug test before upcoming presidential debate

President Trump said Sunday that he demanded his Democratic opponent Joe Biden take a drug test either directly before or after the upcoming presidential debate this week.

Well, maybe Biden would like Trump to release all his tax returns. Oh wait! The Times just published some details.

New York Times publishes Donald Trump's tax returns in election bombshell

Donald Trump, a self-proclaimed billionaire, paid only $750 in federal income taxes in the year he was elected US president, according to a stunning New York Times investigation that could shake up the presidential election.

“Trump taxes show chronic losses and years of tax avoidance,” was the banner headline on the paper’s website on Sunday. The president’s tax returns have long been the holy grail of American political reporting.

The president “paid $750 in federal income taxes the year he won the presidency”, the paper reported, adding that “in his first year in the White House, he paid another $750.

“He had paid no income taxes at all in 10 of the previous 15 years – largely because he reported losing much more money than he made.”
 

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Truthfully,

We will know about a week after the debates...which one is anybody's guess as to which one of the three will be the most important.

Despite the huge influx of foreign investment money in this election for Biden through social media campaigns (too easy for them to do through VPN) it's still anybody's race.

The foreign investment is really disconcerting this year...I'm surprised that there really hasn't been any outrage about it all.
 

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Truthfully,

We will know about a week after the debates...which one is anybody's guess as to which one of the three will be the most important.

Despite the huge influx of foreign investment money in this election for Biden through social media campaigns (too easy for them to do through VPN) it's still anybody's race.

The foreign investment is really disconcerting this year...I'm surprised that there really hasn't been any outrage about it all.
We are becoming numb as a nation. The FEC is also unable to take action since there aren't enough members on it and Trump hasn't even nominated anyone.
 

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COVID-19 is surging in red states just weeks before the election

Despite President Donald Trump’s repeated insistence that COVID-19 is largely a blue state problem, cases are surging in red states just five weeks before the election.

Twenty-two states are currently seeing increases in cases, including in the Midwest, the Great Plains and some in the South. The biggest spikes in new cases have been in North and South Dakota (scene of the massive Sturgis Motorcycle Rally in August), Wisconsin, Utah, Oklahoma and Iowa— all of which voted for Trump in 2016. Among those states, Trump is particularly vulnerable in Iowa and Wisconsin.

Cases nationwide, which have generally been down from July, are now again ticking upward.

The country tallied a troubling 55,000 in a single day Friday — the biggest jump in 24 hours in more than a month.

The Wisconsin Health Department reported 2,817 new cases Saturday — its highest daily total since the pandemic began. South Dakota also experienced its highest daily total — 579 new cases — since the pandemic began.
 

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Early surge of Democratic mail voting sparks worry inside GOP

Democratic voters who have requested mail ballots - and returned them - greatly outnumber Republicans so far in key battleground states, causing alarm among GOP party leaders and strategists that President Donald Trump's attacks on mail voting could be hurting the party's prospects to retain the White House and the Senate this year.

Of the more than 9 million voters who requested mail ballots through Monday in Florida, Pennsylvania, North Carolina, Maine and Iowa, the five battleground states where such data is publicly available, 52% were Democrats. Twenty-eight percent were Republicans and 20% were unaffiliated.
I got a robocall from Donald Trump Junior encouraging me to vote by mail.
 

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The social media campaigns for Biden are over the top this year. There are Biden Supporters on every Social Media platform out there. Facebook groups, Twitter feeds, instagram, reddit and even message boards.
CF dot com is overrun with people supporting Biden. It's like there are only a few token conservative Christians left there. Why?

And where is the money for these guys to post their stuff coming from? It ain't Joe Biden...but definitely outside America.

So...I dunno if it's going to work or not.

Joe is depending on mail in ballots of which at least 20%+ are not going to be usable...
Probably more because of the increase of people using them.

And in these "swing states" I'm expecting a full out battle over these ballots and various laws over them.
 

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The social media campaigns for Biden are over the top this year. There are Biden Supporters on every Social Media platform out there. Facebook groups, Twitter feeds, instagram, reddit and even message boards.
CF dot com is overrun with people supporting Biden. It's like there are only a few token conservative Christians left there. Why?
I wouldn't call Donald Trump "conservative."

And where is the money for these guys to post their stuff coming from? It ain't Joe Biden...but definitely outside America.
Who are you talking about? Which guys? If you want to know about political money, here's a site for you:

OpenSecrets

Biden has been raising quite a lot of money on his own. Then Bloomberg said he was going to spend loads of money in Florida. That would free up money from Biden's campaign that he could spend elsewhere.

Trump's campaign also had a major problem earlier with how Brad Parscale was spending campaign funds. It wouldn't surprise me if he winds up in prison over it. Rumor has it that the Trump campaign wants the money back and that was the reason Parscale freaked out, getting drunk and threatening to kill himself. His wife had bruises and cuts. Now she's denying he had been beating her; and the Trump campaign is saying he doesn't owe them any money. Go figure. At any rate, he got carted off for mental observation; and I guess he's out now, but a judge is refusing to let him have the ten guns he had before. I think he was cheating the Trump campaign -- I guess time will tell us if he was and if he'll get prosecuted. But tons of money got spent on a company that Parscale owned. He has lots of fancy cars and boats now. All that meant there was less money to spend on other things. (I can find the news stories about him if anyone is interested.)

So...I dunno if it's going to work or not.

Joe is depending on mail in ballots of which at least 20%+ are not going to be usable...
Probably more because of the increase of people using them.
What are you talking about? Is that a psychic prediction or just a gloomy one? Trump keeps talking about mail in ballots, saying things for which he had zero evidence.

And in these "swing states" I'm expecting a full out battle over these ballots and various laws over them.
To be blunt, not many of the states traditionally called swing states are in play. Fears of what may happen look exaggerated to me. I've checked out the laws in each state and the last day to receive ballots and when they start counting them. Some states are going to accept ballots for a long time after election day if they were postmarked before election day; but the majority of those states are either heavily Democratic or heavily Republican. Who cares how long California accepts ballots -- it won't change the outcome. Ohio might be tighter, and they're taking ballots they receive ten days after election day if postmarked early enough.

I tallied the number of electoral votes that might be up in the air. I got 73. That wouldn't be enough for Trump to win even if he got them all. Trump appears to be sowing fear about the election. I think it's mostly hot air -- and to be sure, the media act as if they're worried -- more hot air to keep people tuning in to their shows. The FBI and Justice Department are also taking extra precautions this year -- I think they may be ready to arrest anyone who starts trouble. Maybe they won't stop it all, but I figure they already have names of people they'll be watching.

Justice Dept., FBI planning for the possibility of Election Day violence, voting disruptions

Though the Justice Department monitors elections every year to ensure voters can cast their ballots, officials’ concerns are more acute this year that toxic politics, combined with the potential uncertainty surrounding vote tallies, could lead to violent demonstrations or clashes between opposing factions, those familiar with the matter said.

Preparations have been underway in recent weeks to deal with a wide range of possible problems, the officials said. Like others, they spoke on the condition of anonymity to describe internal discussions.

Michigan already took action against someone who was planning to interfere with the election.

Jack Burkman, Jacob Wohl Charged in Voter Suppression Scheme

Conservative operatives Jacob Wohl and Jack Burkman were charged on Thursday for allegedly orchestrating a series of robocalls aimed at suppressing the vote in the November presidential election, Michigan authorities said.

Michigan Attorney General Dana Nessel filed a slew of charges against Burkman, 54, and Wohl, 22, including conspiracy to commit an election law violation and using a computer to commit the crime of election law - intimidating voters. Prosecutors allege the two political operatives were using a robocall system aimed at scaring Detroit voters away from using mail-in voting ballots. The calls, which were made in August, went out to nearly 12,000 Detroit residents.

Both Wohl and Burkman face four felony counts and a maximum sentence of 7 years in prison.

The voice on the call attributed to Wohl and Burkman attempts to trick listeners into not sending in mail-in ballots, falsely warning that the information would be used to track fugitives, collect on credit card debts, and enforce “mandatory vaccines.” The calls also told residents to “beware of vote by mail.”
Then there was the strange guy in Florida who requested ballots for himself and his dead wife. He said he was testing the system. Maybe he shouldn't have since he got arrested.

Florida man who requested mail-in ballot for his dead wife told police he was "testing the system"

A press release issued by the Manatee County Sheriff's Office states that on September 17, deputies responded to a call from the supervisor of the Manatee County Elections Office "in reference to a Vote by Mail Ballot request for a woman who is deceased."

Mike Bennett, supervisor of the county's election office, told police that his staff members received two mail-in ballot requests from Larry Wiggins, 62, and his wife, who was not named. While both requests were for the same address, staff members determined the woman's handwriting style on her request was different from her original voter registration documents. . . .

On October 1, Wiggins was arrested at his home "without incident," and was charged with requesting a vote by mail ballot on behalf of another elector, a third-degree felony, according to the sheriff's office. The Florida State Attorney's Office's 12th Judicial District will prosecute the case, the press release said.
 

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Early surge of Democratic mail voting sparks worry inside GOP

Democratic voters who have requested mail ballots - and returned them - greatly outnumber Republicans so far in key battleground states, causing alarm among GOP party leaders and strategists that President Donald Trump's attacks on mail voting could be hurting the party's prospects to retain the White House and the Senate this year.

Of the more than 9 million voters who requested mail ballots through Monday in Florida, Pennsylvania, North Carolina, Maine and Iowa, the five battleground states where such data is publicly available, 52% were Democrats. Twenty-eight percent were Republicans and 20% were unaffiliated.
I got a robocall from Donald Trump Junior encouraging me to vote by mail.

As an Independent, I'll more than likely vote for Biden because I feel very strongly that Trump should be removed from office. I normally vote Republican in a presidential election but I didn't vote for Trump in 2016 and I won't vote for him on November 3rd. I voted Third Party in 2016 because I didn't like Clinton as the Democratic candidate and there was no way I was voting for Trump. On a personal note, I'm encouraged by the videos I watch on RVAT and The Lincoln Project because it gives me hope that the Republican Party will eventually recover from Trumpism.
 

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Who are you talking about? Which guys? If you want to know about political money, here's a site for you:
Foreign money spent for people to adopt personas on social media to endorse products. They sit at terminals and "play" on social media platforms all day (6 HR shifts).

It doesn't pay well but for a lot of people who have English skills it's all they can get.

And currently they are working overtime for Joe Biden.

It's unregistered and unrecorded money...but a highly efficient way of getting products (like political candidates) endorsed.
 

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As an Independent, I'll more than likely vote for Biden because I feel very strongly that Trump should be removed from office. I normally vote Republican in a presidential election but I didn't vote for Trump in 2016 and I won't vote for him on November 3rd. I voted Third Party in 2016 because I didn't like Clinton as the Democratic candidate and there was no way I was voting for Trump. On a personal note, I'm encouraged by the videos I watch on RVAT and The Lincoln Project because it gives me hope that the Republican Party will eventually recover from Trumpism.
I would have voted Libertaran in 2016, but the candidate seemed half-crazy to me. I held my nose and voted for Clinton -- yuck.

I have a feeling there will be a shaking out of the Republican Party next year. Trump is leading the party over a cliff and they are following him like lemmings. Several Republican Senators are behind now in the polls; and my view is that the people who voted them in are not happy with how they kowtowed to Trump instead of representing them. It looks like six seats in the Senate could flip from Republican to Democratic -- and it could get worse. It could be eight. I see only one seat going from Democratic to Republican -- in Alabama Jones is behind Tuberville by 6%.

The RNC chair also needs to be replaced. She may not wind up in jail, but she's been adept at funneling party money into companies of her friends in a way that doesn't look quite kosher.
 
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Foreign money spent for people to adopt personas on social media to endorse products. They sit at terminals and "play" on social media platforms all day (6 HR shifts).

It doesn't pay well but for a lot of people who have English skills it's all they can get.

And currently they are working overtime for Joe Biden.

It's unregistered and unrecorded money...but a highly efficient way of getting products (like political candidates) endorsed.
I'm not on social media so I can't say I've seen anything like that. I have read though that Twitter and Facebook were banning lots of accounts that looked like foreign attempts to affect the election. Other than that, I can't say much.

If it's true, I'd lay part of the responsibility at Trump's door for failing to appoint members to the FEC in a timely manner. The last I knew they lack enough members to take active steps against anyone. The members can issue statements but they lack enforcement powers.

Story here: FEC departure leaves campaign finance watchdog hamstrung ahead of 2020

The election laws and regulations need revising, that's for sure. There are other ways foreign money can be laundered because of how easy to register dummy companies in the US, send them money and then they send it to PACs.
 

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I would have voted Libertaran in 2016, but the candidate seemed half-crazy to me. I held my nose and voted for Clinton -- yuck.

I have a feeling there will be a shaking out of the Republican Party next year. Trump is leading the party over a cliff and they are following him like lemmings. Several Republican Senators are behind now in the polls; and my view is that the people who voted them in are not happy with how they kowtowed to Trump instead of representing them. It looks like six seats in the Senate could flip from Republican to Democratic -- and it could get worse. It could be eight. I see only one seat going from Democratic to Republican -- in Alabama Jones is behind Tuberville by 6%.

The RNC chair also needs to be replaced. She may not wind up in jail, but she's been adept at funneling party money into companies of her friends in a way that doesn't look quite kosher.

I think there will definitely be a day of reckoning for the Republican Party coming and it will be earthshaking bad for the Party.
 
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