Who Falls From Grace & Who Falls Short Of It?

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Those who live and die in sin and unbelief were never truly saved in the first place. Romans 8 is a mighty exhortation to the true believer, full of comforting assurance for the true believer, as are many other passages.
Amen.

There is no more condemnation, Period.

The people of Christ walk in him. That is a characteristic, not a requirement.

A dog returns to his vomit.

A characteristic would be a dog who was changed into a prince. The prince does not return to his vomit. because he is no longer a dog.

not returning to our vomit is a characteristic, Not a requirement. A dog returns, because he is still a dog. A prince does not

In the same token. A child of God walks not after the flesh but the spirit. Because he is a child of God.

See also John. where he says whoever sins (habitually) has never seen or known God. whoever is born of God can not continue in sin.

Whoever is born of God can not continue in sin, so by definition, they walk in the spirit.
 

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That’s absolutely wrong.

Jesus Himself said some believe only for a while, but then fall away.

Paul warned over and over that living immorally and in sin keeps the brethren out of heaven.

No believer who’s actually read the whole New Testament from Matthew to revelation several times will be deceived by OSAS because scripture after scripture refutes it.
No person who truly reads the NT would think they could save themselves. Because the scripture refutes it.
 
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Who Falls From Grace & Who Falls Short Of It?
OP ^

INANUTSHELL ~

Falls Short?
~ All earthly natural born men. (Ignorant, believing, That THEIR power and efforts and works can save them.)

Falls From?
~ All men who TASTE, (the Word, experience Gods blessings FOR Tasting)....and NEVER swallow, EAT the Word of God.

Glory to God,
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If it takes for an unconverted to be convicted and fully persuaded unto repentance unto God and faith towards Jesus Christ for salvation, I think it would take for the converted to be convicted and fully persuaded unto repentance from God and to unbelief in Jesus Christ to be unconverted and be lost, if such a case be possible.

Nonetheless, the latter says a lot of what the former really is.

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Well said..

There is a difference between being fully persuaded unto repentance from God (true saving faith), and "I think this might be true so I will try it out (mere belief) or I believe Jesus lived and he died on the cross, But not being fully persuaded unto repentance (even demons believe)
 
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thats not what i asked is it? show me scriptures that says we can lose our salvation .

why did you not include this in your scripture of 1cor 6? 11 And such were some of you. But you were washed, but you were sanctified, but you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus and by the Spirit of our God. we all have our select scriptures dont get m wrong i find NO place in scripture where we can continue in a sinful life style w/o any repentance turning from changing of our mind. are we saved one moment then lost the next and then lost again and then saved again ? can you distinguish in scripture to where we have have lost it?

have you ever been disobedient ? tell the truth
You beat me to it!!
 

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Yes, apparently belief that turns to unbelief never really was belief, but the part about being saved by grace through faith and not works is at the heart of the "falling from grace" issue. Why do "foolish Galations" estrange themselves from the Gospel of Grace to come under OT Law?
once again.

It is where their true faith lied.

Its like a muslim, who says they converted to Christianity. But the muslim faith keeps hitting them, and saying where you are going is wrong. You need to come back. Because you had it right the first time.

And you return.

Because your full persuasion was in islam. Not in the bible and christ.
 

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That’s absolutely wrong.

Jesus Himself said some believe only for a while, but then fall away.

Paul warned over and over that living immorally and in sin keeps the brethren out of heaven.

No believer who’s actually read the whole New Testament from Matthew to revelation several times will be deceived by OSAS because scripture after scripture refutes it.

Curtis ~
Some DO believe for awhile, and fall away.
Some DO believe and are Kept IN Belief, forever.

Do you not KNOW WHY?

IT IS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN....WHOSE POWER IS KEEPING THE MAN IN BELIEF..

Gods power is supreme.
Angels have great power.
Men have little power.

Men using their power, to KEEP believing, are continually INFLUENCED BY “fallen angels” to question, to wonder, to waver back and forth, believe, then not believe, believe and doubt.
If a man physically DIES on a day, he is “doubting” “not believing” ... BUMMER for him! <—-> He shall NOT BE SAVED! He is called AGAINST God.

A man, who physically DIES on a day, his is “believing”...
Good for him <—-> he is called “IN JESUS”, and “SHALL BE SAVED”.
Do you understand?...”SHALL BE”, saved.

A man, who spiritually bodily DIES with CHRIST JESUS..(crucified with Jesus) spiritually receives Gods works of his soul restoration, (mans saved soul).
Gods works of mans spirit receiving Gods Seed (mans spirit is born again)
DONE DEAL...that man “IS” SAVED, Before his Physical death...
DONE DEAL...by the offering, acceptance, and works of God, of the whole of the man.....BODY, dead, SOUL, saved, SPIRIT, quickened.
Nothing more for that man to do...that man is “IN” Christ...and the FULL POWER OF GOD...KEEPS THAT MAN FOREVER “WITH” God.
Get it? Get WHOSE POWER has “acceptably to God”, Changed the WHOLE man, and KEEPS the WHOLE man seal unto God?
OSAS....ONLY Applies to ^ THIS MAN...

All other men.....believing by their own power, wishy washy, can believe and fall away....THEY ARE NOT SAVED!
All other man....believing by their own power, and die believing...ARE NOT SAVED....BUT SHALL BE SAVED.
ONLY MEN...who have BECOME CONVERTED “IN CHRST”, while alive in their natural flesh....ARE WHOLLY converted, body, soul, spirit...AND KEPT by the by the POWER OF GODS SPIRIT IN THEM!

Greater is He that is IN you than he that is in the World.
God temporarily WITH believing men...IS well Known, God comes and goes being WITH men as men come and go believing.
ONCE GODS SPIRIT IS “IN” a man...WHOLE DIFFERENT scenario...
God WILL NEVER LEAVE THAT MAN...NEVER, lest you think God a liar.

You will NEVER FIND one Scripture of a CONVERTED, (body crucified with Christ, soul restored, spirit quickened) man;
Losing His Salvation.
 

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Read the seven letters in revelation and you’ll see who falls short of Grace. Pray that you are found worthy.
 

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That would rule everyone out

It is best for us to nt be as the pharisee pumping our chest and declaring how we are not like the sinner, But to become like the tax collector and get on our knees.
No, it does not rule everyone out. A born again believer has a daily choice whether to yield to the flesh and sin, or follow the spirit that dwells within them, and when they fail and sin, repent of it, or continue to live in that sin, without repentance.

Those that choose to live an immoral lifestyle will not make it to heaven.
 
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No, it does not rule everyone out.

Um yes it does. Because not a person here can live up to Gods standard

A born again believer has a daily choice whether to yield to the flesh and sin, or follow the spirit that dwells within them, and when they fail and sin, repent of it, or continue to live in that sin, without repentance.
So we can be saved, lose salvation, and be resaved and lose it. be resaved.. How many timnes can this happen?



Those that choose to live an immoral lifestyle will not make it to heaven.
John says a child of God can not do that. and whoever does has NEVER seen or known God.

Your argument is with him not me..
 
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Um yes it does. Because not a person here can live up to Gods standard


So we can be saved, lose salvation, and be resaved and lose it. be resaved.. How many timnes can this happen?




John says a child of God can not do that. and whoever does has NEVER seen or known God.

Your argument is with him not me..

How many times can it happen? However many times a Christian falls into a life of sin, dies spiritually and is lost again, and comes to their senses and repents.

The prodigal son was dead in his sins and lost, while out in the world living in sin.

In the prodigal son story, the father represents God, the son represents believers.


He’s already a son when the story starts.


He leaves the father to live in sin


When he returns to the father in repentance, the father says: this is my son WHO WAS DEAD, but is now alive AGAIN, he WAS LOST, but now IS FOUND.


Luke 15:32- It was meet that we should make merry, and be glad: for this thy brother *was dead*, and is *alive again*; and *was lost*, and *is found*.


He obviously wasn’t dead physically and then resurrected.


How then was he dead?


He was dead in his sins.


Ephesians 2:1 - And you hath he quickened,who WERE DEAD in *trespasses and sins*


Thus the son was alive, left his Father to live a sinful life, became DEAD in his sins, then returned in repentance, and became alive AGAIN.

There’s only two kinds of death in the Bible - physical and spiritual- since he wasn’t dead physically, he was dead spiritually.


No Christian can remain sinless, but they need to repent when they sin, there’s no OSAS.
If they choose to live a sinful lifestyle again as a believer, they won’t make it to heaven.

Hebrews 3 warns the brethren that if they harden their hearts by the deceitfulness of sin, they will DEPART from God.

Scripture is clear how the believer is expected to live after salvation:

Rom 12:1 I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which isyour reasonable service.

Rom 12:2 And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what isthat good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.



1Co 6:19 What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which isin you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?

1Co 6:20 For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God's.


Luk 9:62 And Jesus said unto him, No man, having put his hand to the plough, and looking back, is fit for the kingdom of God.


Luk 9:23 And he said to themall, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross daily, and follow me.



2Co 7:1 Since we have these promises, beloved, let us cleanse ourselves from every defilement of body and spirit, bringing holiness to completion in the fear of God.


1Pe 1:14 As obedient children, do not be conformed to the passions of your former ignorance,

1Pe 1:15 but as he who called you is holy, you also be holy in all your conduct,

1Pe 1:16 since it is written, “You shall be holy, for I am holy.”



Eph 4:17 Now this I say and testify in the Lord, that you must no longer walk as the Gentiles do, in the futility of their minds.

Eph 4:18 They are darkened in their understanding, alienated from the life of God because of the ignorance that is in them, due to their hardness of heart.

Eph 4:19 They have become callous and have given themselves up to sensuality, greedy to practice every kind of impurity.

Eph 4:20 But that is not the way you learned Christ!—

Eph 4:21 assuming that you have heard about him and were taught in him, as the truth is in Jesus,

Eph 4:22 to put off your old self, which belongs to your former manner of life and is corrupt through deceitful desires,

Eph 4:23 and to be renewed in the spirit of your minds,

Eph 4:24 and to put on the new self, created after the likeness of God in true righteousness and holiness.


Eph 5:1 Therefore be imitators of God, as beloved children.

Eph 5:2 And walk in love, as Christ loved us and gave himself up for us, a fragrant offering and sacrifice to God.

Eph 5:3 But sexual immorality and all impurity or covetousness must not even be named among you, as is proper among saints.

Eph 5:4 Let there be no filthiness nor foolish talk nor crude joking, which are out of place, but instead let there be thanksgiving.

Eph 5:5 For you may be sure of this, that everyone who is sexually immoral or impure, or who is covetous (that is, an idolater), has no inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and God.

Eph 5:6 Let no one deceive you with empty words, for because of these things the wrath of God comes upon the sons of disobedience.

Eph 5:7 Therefore do not become partakers with them.


Heb 12:14 Strive for peace with everyone, and for the holiness without which no one will see the Lord.

Heb 12:15 See to it that no one fails to obtain the grace of God; that no “root of bitterness” springs up and causes trouble, and by it many become defiled;

Heb 12:16 that no one is sexually immoral or unholy like Esau, who sold his birthright for a single meal.

Heb 12:17 For you know that afterward, when he desired to inherit the blessing, he was rejected, for he found no chance to repent, though he sought it with tears.


2Pe 3:11 Since all these things are thus to be dissolved, what sort of people ought you to be in lives of holiness and godliness,


2Pe 3:14 Wherefore, beloved, seeing that you look for such things, be diligent that you may be found of him in peace, without spot, and blameless.


Note: without spot, and blameless…] The words are nearly identical with the description of Christ as “a lamb without blemish and without spot” in 1Pe 1:19, and James 1:27 confirms we are to be like Jesus, without spot.



Jas 1:27 Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this, To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, andto keep himself unspotted from the world.


2Pe 3:17 And so, dear friends, since you already know these things, continually be on your guard not to be carried away by the deception of lawless people. Otherwise, you may fall from your secure position.

2Pe 3:18 Instead, continue to grow in the grace and knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus, the Messiah. Glory belongs to him both now and on that eternal day! Amen.
 

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Yes, they had fallen from Grace

Grace was offered to them, They had it in their hands, But instead of receiving it, acting on it, and making it their own, they rejected it and returned to their true love. the law.

Its like climbing a mountain and right before you get to the peak. you fall.
Yes, I like your mountain peak analogy. There is a sense of elevation where God's Grace is concerned.
 

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He can a person move AWAY from positional holiness, When they could never walk toward positional holiness.
I heard a sermon once that used the analogy of a person standing in a shower of grace. As long as they stand in the place where grace showers upon them they are in the position of holiness, but if they walk away from that position [apostasise] they become estranged from grace and the holiness it provides.

Apostasy by definition means moving away from a position.

[Middle English apostasie, from Old French, from Late Latin apostasia, defection, from Late Greek apostasiā, from Greek apostasis, revolt, from aphistanai,
apo-
or
ap-
prefix
1. away from; off: apogee.
2. indicating separation of: apocarpous.
3. indicating a lack or absence of: apogamy.
4. indicating derivation from or relationship to: apomorphine.
[from Greek apo away, off]
Collins English Dictionary – Complete and Unabridged, 12th Edition 2014 © HarperCollins Publishers 1991, 1994, 1998, 2000, 2003, 2006, 2007, 2009, 2011, 2014

histanai, to stand, place; see stā- in Indo-European roots.]
American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, Fifth Edition. Copyright © 2016 by Houghton Mifflin Harcourt Publishing Company. Published by Houghton Mifflin Harcourt Publishing Company. All rights reserved.
 

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How many times can it happen? However many times a Christian falls into a life of sin, dies spiritually and is lost again, and comes to their senses and repents.

The prodigal son was dead in his sins and lost, while out in the world living in sin.

In the prodigal son story, the father represents God, the son represents believers.


He’s already a son when the story starts.


He leaves the father to live in sin


When he returns to the father in repentance, the father says: this is my son WHO WAS DEAD, but is now alive AGAIN, he WAS LOST, but now IS FOUND.


Luke 15:32- It was meet that we should make merry, and be glad: for this thy brother *was dead*, and is *alive again*; and *was lost*, and *is found*.


He obviously wasn’t dead physically and then resurrected.


How then was he dead?


He was dead in his sins.


Ephesians 2:1 - And you hath he quickened,who WERE DEAD in *trespasses and sins*


Thus the son was alive, left his Father to live a sinful life, became DEAD in his sins, then returned in repentance, and became alive AGAIN.

There’s only two kinds of death in the Bible - physical and spiritual- since he wasn’t dead physically, he was dead spiritually.


No Christian can remain sinless, but they need to repent when they sin, there’s no OSAS.
If they choose to live a sinful lifestyle again as a believer, they won’t make it to heaven.

Hebrews 3 warns the brethren that if they harden their hearts by the deceitfulness of sin, they will DEPART from God.

Scripture is clear how the believer is expected to live after salvation:

Rom 12:1 I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which isyour reasonable service.

Rom 12:2 And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what isthat good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.



1Co 6:19 What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which isin you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?

1Co 6:20 For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God's.


Luk 9:62 And Jesus said unto him, No man, having put his hand to the plough, and looking back, is fit for the kingdom of God.


Luk 9:23 And he said to themall, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross daily, and follow me.



2Co 7:1 Since we have these promises, beloved, let us cleanse ourselves from every defilement of body and spirit, bringing holiness to completion in the fear of God.


1Pe 1:14 As obedient children, do not be conformed to the passions of your former ignorance,

1Pe 1:15 but as he who called you is holy, you also be holy in all your conduct,

1Pe 1:16 since it is written, “You shall be holy, for I am holy.”



Eph 4:17 Now this I say and testify in the Lord, that you must no longer walk as the Gentiles do, in the futility of their minds.

Eph 4:18 They are darkened in their understanding, alienated from the life of God because of the ignorance that is in them, due to their hardness of heart.

Eph 4:19 They have become callous and have given themselves up to sensuality, greedy to practice every kind of impurity.

Eph 4:20 But that is not the way you learned Christ!—

Eph 4:21 assuming that you have heard about him and were taught in him, as the truth is in Jesus,

Eph 4:22 to put off your old self, which belongs to your former manner of life and is corrupt through deceitful desires,

Eph 4:23 and to be renewed in the spirit of your minds,

Eph 4:24 and to put on the new self, created after the likeness of God in true righteousness and holiness.


Eph 5:1 Therefore be imitators of God, as beloved children.

Eph 5:2 And walk in love, as Christ loved us and gave himself up for us, a fragrant offering and sacrifice to God.

Eph 5:3 But sexual immorality and all impurity or covetousness must not even be named among you, as is proper among saints.

Eph 5:4 Let there be no filthiness nor foolish talk nor crude joking, which are out of place, but instead let there be thanksgiving.

Eph 5:5 For you may be sure of this, that everyone who is sexually immoral or impure, or who is covetous (that is, an idolater), has no inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and God.

Eph 5:6 Let no one deceive you with empty words, for because of these things the wrath of God comes upon the sons of disobedience.

Eph 5:7 Therefore do not become partakers with them.


Heb 12:14 Strive for peace with everyone, and for the holiness without which no one will see the Lord.

Heb 12:15 See to it that no one fails to obtain the grace of God; that no “root of bitterness” springs up and causes trouble, and by it many become defiled;

Heb 12:16 that no one is sexually immoral or unholy like Esau, who sold his birthright for a single meal.

Heb 12:17 For you know that afterward, when he desired to inherit the blessing, he was rejected, for he found no chance to repent, though he sought it with tears.


2Pe 3:11 Since all these things are thus to be dissolved, what sort of people ought you to be in lives of holiness and godliness,


2Pe 3:14 Wherefore, beloved, seeing that you look for such things, be diligent that you may be found of him in peace, without spot, and blameless.


Note: without spot, and blameless…] The words are nearly identical with the description of Christ as “a lamb without blemish and without spot” in 1Pe 1:19, and James 1:27 confirms we are to be like Jesus, without spot.



Jas 1:27 Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this, To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, andto keep himself unspotted from the world.


2Pe 3:17 And so, dear friends, since you already know these things, continually be on your guard not to be carried away by the deception of lawless people. Otherwise, you may fall from your secure position.

2Pe 3:18 Instead, continue to grow in the grace and knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus, the Messiah. Glory belongs to him both now and on that eternal day! Amen.
ok my friend. You long posts are not helpful.

The prodigal son was still the son, He still had his fathers blood. He was still a child of the father.

He lost his fathers blessings. He did not lose his sonship.

A person who is born again, are made alive because of Christ. Not because they were worthy. Thats the part you seem to fail to understand.

When the death angel came to Egypt, he passed over the houses that had blood. Not because the people inside were worthy. But because the lamb gave his life for their life.

The cross is the answer.

Gods standard is perfection.

Have you and I met Gods standard? No

Can we meet Gods standard? No

if we can never meet Gods standard. we can NEVER earn our salvation. It is impossible

The penalty of sin is death.

It is not crying and telling God "Oops I did it again" and thinking God will remove the penalty of that sin because you cried., The sin can only be removed by the cross.

So you want to base your salvation on how many times you excuse your sin, and thinking you can just confess it and its gone. and not on the cross

Well, good luck trying to earn your salvation.
 
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I heard a sermon once that used the analogy of a person standing in a shower of grace. As long as they stand in the place where grace showers upon them they are in the position of holiness, but if they walk away from that position [apostasise] they become estranged from grace and the holiness it provides.

Apostasy by definition means moving away from a position.

[Middle English apostasie, from Old French, from Late Latin apostasia, defection, from Late Greek apostasiā, from Greek apostasis, revolt, from aphistanai,
apo-
or
ap-
prefix
1. away from; off: apogee.
2. indicating separation of: apocarpous.
3. indicating a lack or absence of: apogamy.
4. indicating derivation from or relationship to: apomorphine.
[from Greek apo away, off]
Collins English Dictionary – Complete and Unabridged, 12th Edition 2014 © HarperCollins Publishers 1991, 1994, 1998, 2000, 2003, 2006, 2007, 2009, 2011, 2014

histanai, to stand, place; see stā- in Indo-European roots.]
American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, Fifth Edition. Copyright © 2016 by Houghton Mifflin Harcourt Publishing Company. Published by Houghton Mifflin Harcourt Publishing Company. All rights reserved.

I go back to what I said before.

We can't enter the position of Grace, We must be carried to that position. It is not of our power.

so that example as for as positional holiness goes does not fit. In order for it to fit. we would have to be able to walk to that position of our own power.

Since we can't get to that position, we can't leave it.

Also. As God told a few people. where can you go where I am not. He promised never to leave nor forsake us. where can we go where he is not still there.

as for apostacy, in the greek, a defection or revolt. John said in his epistle. a person who sins has NEVER seen God. a child of God can not sin because they were born of God.

How can a child of God revolt and turn back to sin, when John himself says it is impossible.

He also said that those who left. and now reject Christ, were never of us..

the jews apostatized, and have a few times in their history, and even today are being punished for it.

The church has done this also. most noticeably in the third century. But even in Paul's day there was a great falling away of people who either reverted to their true faith. or did a 180 and left legalism and turned to licentiousness. And in the last days, we are told there will be a great falling away within the church, and we are witnessing that as we speak in my view. and the younger generation is rejecting their parents religion and walking away as these once proud churches are falling. it seems like every year as I drive through my state I see more and more closed churches where the buildings are boarded up.

Once again, We stand in conditional sanctification. We are either in the spirit (serving God and others) or we are in the flesh (serving self) at every moment of every day.

Our salvation is not dependent on how good or how bad we are. If it was we would be under law. It is dependent on Christ and his promise.Did God make a promise? Will he keep it. we come to faith being fully persuaded that he will keep his word. In spite of our failures, and knowing our weaknesses. Otherwise. we have no hope. and there is no bases of faith.
 
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Yes, I like your mountain peak analogy. There is a sense of elevation where God's Grace is concerned.
we also have to remember, It is God who is lifting us, drawing us to him, He is pulling us up the mountain to reach the peak (the point of repentance and true saving faith where we are given eternal life)

He will not however. force us up the mountain, We have the ability up until we get there to say no. When that happens. is when we fall. Because he will not force us. and we are unable to climb that mountain on our own. We basically say no lord. I have a better way I can do it myself.

Much like Adam and Eve did in the beginning. God said this is my way. I want you to walk in it, They at that time could walk in God under their own power.

But they decided to say no God, I will do it my way, and rejected his provision. and they and the whole of creation fell along with them.

What was Gods answer?

He killed an animal (the first death in creation) and covered them with the remains.

Thats justification there in a nutshell.

Abraham believed God and God accounted it to him as righteousness. Imputed righteousness is positional sanctification.

Abraham spent the rest of his life either failing God or walking with God. and through the works as he walked with God his justification was seen before men.

But with God, He was saved that moment in early genesis when he believed God.

the works were a result. not a prerequisite.
 

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We can't enter the position of Grace, We must be carried to that position. It is not of our power.
Agreed, but as Scripture provides, there is potential for those placed in position by grace to move away from it, with drastic consequences.

Heb 6:4-8 For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted the heavenly gift, and have become partakers of the Holy Spirit, (5) and have tasted the good word of God and the powers of the age to come, (6) if they fall away, to renew them again to repentance, since they crucify again for themselves the Son of God, and put Him to an open shame. (7) For the earth which drinks in the rain that often comes upon it, and bears herbs useful for those by whom it is cultivated, receives blessing from God; (8) but if it bears thorns and briers, it is rejected and near to being cursed, whose end is to be burned.

Heb 10:29 Of how much worse punishment, do you suppose, will he be thought worthy who has trampled the Son of God underfoot, counted the blood of the covenant by which he was sanctified a common thing, and insulted the Spirit of grace?
 

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Agreed, but as Scripture provides, there is potential for those placed in position by grace to move away from it, with drastic consequences.

Heb 6:4-8 For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted the heavenly gift, and have become partakers of the Holy Spirit, (5) and have tasted the good word of God and the powers of the age to come, (6) if they fall away, to renew them again to repentance, since they crucify again for themselves the Son of God, and put Him to an open shame. (7) For the earth which drinks in the rain that often comes upon it, and bears herbs useful for those by whom it is cultivated, receives blessing from God; (8) but if it bears thorns and briers, it is rejected and near to being cursed, whose end is to be burned.

Heb 10:29 Of how much worse punishment, do you suppose, will he be thought worthy who has trampled the Son of God underfoot, counted the blood of the covenant by which he was sanctified a common thing, and insulted the Spirit of grace?
I believe you Have misunderstood both passages.

Heb 6 is talking about those who have returned to law. Which states you can fall away, and need to be renewed.

The author states the law is unable. Because if you could fall away as the law states. You could never be renewed to repentance.

What is impossible is the ability to be renewed IF a person could fall away.

Which is against the teaching of the law

Heb 10 again is talking about returning to the law.

How much worse will it be for the one who claimed the blood. But returned to animal sacrifice.

The whole book of Hebrews is about the law and how it compair to grace. And why Grace is a better option.

If one can fall away. Grace is in reality no better than the law
 
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