Who goes back with Jesus in the pre-tribulation rapture?

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PeterAndroz

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The Gospel is not an instruction book of 'how to's' Peter. If one turns it into an instruction book how to's one sets himself up for division and denominationalism.
"""The Gospel is not an instruction book of 'how to's'...
How do you interpret the Gospel that Christ taught to Paul ?
Gal 1:
11But I certify you, brethren, that the gospel which was preached of me is not after man.
12For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught it, but by the revelation of Jesus Christ.

1 Cor 15:1-4
1Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand;
2By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.
3For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;

4And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:
Eph 1:
13In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,
 

quietthinker

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"""The Gospel is not an instruction book of 'how to's'...
How do you interpret the Gospel that Christ taught to Paul ?
Gal 1:
11But I certify you, brethren, that the gospel which was preached of me is not after man.
12For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught it, but by the revelation of Jesus Christ.

1 Cor 15:1-4
1Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand;
2By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.
3For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;

4And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:
Eph 1:
13In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,
The good news that Jesus and the Apostles taught is that God forgives. Is there anybody that doesn't need forgiveness?
 

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The good news that Jesus and the Apostles taught is that God forgives. Is there anybody that doesn't need forgiveness?
Yes and how is that forgiveness achieved according to the Gospel that Christ taught to Paul as follows :-

Gal 1:
11But I certify you, brethren, that the gospel which was preached of me is not after man.
12For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught it, but by the revelation of Jesus Christ.

1 Cor 15:1-4
1Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand;
2By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.
3For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;
4And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:

Eph 1:
13In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,
 

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Yes and how is that forgiveness achieved according to the Gospel that Christ taught to Paul as follows :-

Gal 1:
11But I certify you, brethren, that the gospel which was preached of me is not after man.
12For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught it, but by the revelation of Jesus Christ.

1 Cor 15:1-4
1Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand;
2By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.
3For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;
4And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:

Eph 1:
13In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,
How is it achieved? He did not withhold his life. He would rather die than be unkind to his Creation.
Man's 'gospel' is that there is a day of payback where the 'Boss' gets his pound of flesh. This is not how it is with the God of Jesus.
Grace is the very thing lacking in men's theories and practices. Grace is the overarching, gob smacking kindness towards those who don't deserve it.
Consider the rebuke Jesus gave James and John when they wanted to call fire down on the Samaritans that were inhospitable to them.
Luke 9:51-56
 

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How is it achieved? He did not withhold his life. He would rather die than be unkind to his Creation.
Man's 'gospel' is that there is a day of payback where the 'Boss' gets his pound of flesh. This is not how it is with the God of Jesus.
Grace is the very thing lacking in men's theories and practices. Grace is the overarching, gob smacking kindness towards those who don't deserve it.
Consider the rebuke Jesus gave James and John when they wanted to call fire down on the Samaritans that were inhospitable to them.
Luke 9:51-56

If you HEAR the gospel, BELIEVE the gospel, TRUST the Gospel you ARE saved & HS sealed
The Gospel is that Christ :-
DIED, was BURIED, ROSE 3 days later so that your sins can be forgiven
List where Peter or ANYONE else taught the same GOSPEL B4 Paul was made Apostle & Minister
Gal 1:

11But I certify you, brethren, that the gospel which was preached of me is not after man.
12For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught it, but by the revelation of Jesus Christ.

1 Cor 15:1-4
1Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand;
2By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.
3For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;
4And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:

Eph 1:
13In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,