Who goes back with Jesus in the pre-tribulation rapture?

[ewq1938]

????? You go to heaven after the rapture.

Nope. Not one verse says that.

 

[ewq1938]

That makes no sense.....now a lack of a white horse at the ascension does.

Both show differences in the ascension and return showing that neither have to match in every detail making your no white horse thing invalid.

 

[PeterAndroz]

I'm not wrong. He speaks of going to heaven and mansions, then he says he will return and we will be with him. After returning he is on Earth, and that's where we will be with him. The mansions/heaven is for those who die before trhe return of Christ, then no one goes to heaven anymore.

"""then he says he will return and we will be with him
1 Thess 4:17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

"""then no one goes to heaven anymore.""" ???
Eph 1:3
Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ:
Eph 1:20
Which he wrought in Christ, when he raised him from the dead, and set him at his own right hand in the heavenly places,
Eph 2:6
And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus:

 

[ewq1938]

"""then he says he will return and we will be with him

He returns to the Earth and that's where the church will be.

"""then no one goes to heaven anymore.""" ???

No, not after the second coming. All Christians will be immortal, no dying and no going to heaven. Earth is where t5he eternity i spent. Even God the Father will dwell with us here.

 

[PeterAndroz]

He returns to the Earth and that's where the church will be.




No, not after the second coming. All Christians will be immortal, no dying and no going to heaven. Earth is where t5he eternity i spent. Even God the Father will dwell with us here.

"""He returns to the Earth and that's where the church will be."""
Are there verses from Paul which supports that view ?
All is see is meet Christ in the clouds 1The4:17 then be in heavenly places - Eph2:6

 

[ewq1938]

"""He returns to the Earth and that's where the church will be."""
Are there verses from Paul which supports that view ?

It's all through the NT like he ascended from Earth to Heaven, so returns from Heaven to Earth, and many verses speak of retuning with the dead/the saints.

All is see is meet Christ in the clouds 1The4:17 then be in heavenly places - Eph2:6

The clouds is as high as the raptuted are taken. There is nothing about going back into heaven in fact the bible never places Jesus in heaven again.

Eph 2:5 Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved;)
Eph 2:6 And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus:

This is something happening in peoples lives at the time Paul wrote this (past tense even), not about anyone being raptured to the 3rd heaven. It's symbolic, spiritually dead then spiritually quickened. Paul was on Earth when he wrote this, not actually in heaven literally.

 

[PeterAndroz]

It's all through the NT like he ascended from Earth to Heaven, so returns from Heaven to Earth, and many verses speak of retuning with the dead/the saints.




The clouds is as high as the raptuted are taken. There is nothing about going back into heaven in fact the bible never places Jesus in heaven again.

Eph 2:5 Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved;)
Eph 2:6 And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus:

This is something happening in peoples lives at the time Paul wrote this (past tense even), not about anyone being raptured to the 3rd heaven. It's symbolic, spiritually dead then spiritually quickened. Paul was on Earth when he wrote this, not actually in heaven literally.

...all through NT...
Not everything in the NT applies to you & I.
eg Why don't you & I do & live as in Acts 2:44-45 ?
Besides ? possibly ? on the new Rev 21 earth, where does Paul teach ""He returns to the Earth and that's where the church will be.""