Who is Gog and Magog?

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Who is Gog and Magog seems to get lost in the weeds, people look at everything from todays perspective, not from the writers perspective. I am going to place these writings of Ezekiel in his perspective understandings, by showing what his contemporaries thought and said of these regions/peoples. This is the only real way to study Bible Prophecy.

1.) Hesiod, a Greek Didactic Poet, 8th century BC (200 years before Ezekiel) says the Magogians were the Scythians.

2.) Ezekiel is writing sometime around the 6th Century BC. Daniel was taken captive in 605 BC, Ezekiel taken captive in 587 BC, Jerusalem was destroyed in 586 BC.

3.) Herodotus, "Father of History," 5th century BC (100 years after Ezekiel) says the Scythians were the Magogites of the 10th - 3rd century BC. (1000 BC - 300 BC)

Philo, Josephus, et al called the Great Wall of China the "Ramparts of Gog and Magog", In other words he was saying Magog was coming towards them and they built a wall hold them off or stop them at the ramparts. So, whoever it is that is outside of China is this Magog peoples !!

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Russian Archaeologists: One can go to the so called Russian version of the "Smithsonian" a museum and it has all kind of exhibits about the Scythians (Srubnaya & Andronvono )

The Srubnaya culture (Russian: Срубная культура, romanized: Srubnaya kul'tura, Ukrainian: Зрубна культура, romanized: Zrubna kul'tura), also known as Timber-grave culture, was a Late Bronze Age 1850-1450 BC culture[1][2] in the eastern part of Pontic–Caspian steppe.
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The Andronovo culture (Russian: Андроновская культура Andronovskaya kul'tura) is a collection of similar local Late Bronze Age cultures that flourished c. 2000–1450 BC, in western Siberia and the central Eurasian Steppe.
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These Scythians came from these groups of people above, notice how both of these peoples basically covered the same land mass over various times. The Scynthians were note hore riders, they are said to have been fearsome, they could ride at full speed, and turn and shoot arrows, while riding backwards, the spin on a dime and gallop away. They are why the Great Wall of China was built it is said. The Scynthians and all of these peoples from the Steppes mountain area are what Ezekiel pointed towards, "UP THAT WAY" in other words, over that horizon where the Persians, Greeks nor Romans dared to go. They were well know people, but they were up in a region all unto themselves. They are all descendants of Noah's son Japeth.
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"From the utter most parts of the North"

The Scythians—the Greeks' name for this initially nomadic people—inhabited Scythia from at least the 1st century BC to the 2nd century AD. In the seventh century BC, the Scythians controlled large swaths of territory throughout Eurasia, from the Black Sea across Siberia to the borders of East Asia. Its location and extent varied over time, but it usually extended farther to the west and significantly farther to the east than is indicated on the map.
Scythia was a loose nomadic empire that originated as early as the 8th century BC. Scythian culture centered around equestrianism and a free-riding way of life. No writing system that dates to the period has ever been attested, so the majority of written information available today about the region and its inhabitants at the time stems from proto-historical writings of ancient civilizations which had connections to the region, primarily those of Ancient India, Ancient Greece, Ancient Rome, and Ancient Persia. The most detailed western description is by Herodotus.

He may not have travelled in Scythia and there is scholarly debate as to the accuracy of his knowledge, but modern archaeological finds have confirmed some of his ancient claims and he remains one of the most useful writers on ancient Scythia. He says the Scythians' own name for themselves was "Scoloti".

The Pontic–Caspian steppe: Southern Russia, Russian Volga, South-Ural regions and western Kazakhstan (inhabited by Scythians from at least the 8th century BC)

The plains (steppes) from the Black Sea to Lake Baikal (based on genetic evidence).

The Kazakh Steppe: northern Kazakhstan and the adjacent portions of Russia
Sarmatia, corresponding to eastern Poland, Ukraine, southwestern Russia, and the northeastern Balkans,

Sakā Tigraxaudā ("the Sakas of the Pointed Caps"), corresponding to parts of Central Asia, including Kyrgyzstan, southeastern Kazakhstan, and the Tarim Basin

Sistan or Sakastan, corresponding to southern Afghanistan, Sistan and Baluchestan Provinces of Iran, and Balochistan, Pakistan, extending from the Sistan Basin to the Indus River. Following successive invasions of the Indo-Greek kingdoms, the Indo-Scythians also expanded east, capturing territory in what is today the Punjab region.

Parama Kamboja, corresponding to northern Afghanistan and parts of Tajikistan and Uzbekistan

Alania, corresponding to the North Caucasus

Scythia Minor, corresponding to the lower Danube river area west of the Black Sea, with a part in Romania and a part in Bulgaria
 
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GOG = RULER OF MAGOG
MAGOG = RUSSIA (land in the extreme north according to Gesenius)
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CONITINUED..............

History

Dating the earliest Scythians has been a problem since they did not develop their distinctive art style until the 6th century B.C. A. I. Melyukova suggested that the early Scythians were descendants of tribes of the Srubnaya culture who, between the middle of the 2nd millenium B.C. and the end of the 7th century B.C., moved in several waves from the Volga-Ural steppes into the north Black Sea area and assimilated the local Cimmerians. In history, the Scythians was first recorded in the 7th century B.C. as Assyria's ally against the Cimmerians, who had lost their homeland to the Scythians and moved south. The Scythian king, Partatua married an Assyrian princess in 674 B.C. and two nations remained allies. Scythians and Assyrians together conquered the Medes of the Caspian Sea; however the Medes was able to drive the Scythians out of western Asia and back to the Pontic Steppes by the turn of the century.

In 514 BC. a very important event took place in the steppe. Herodotus described this account in full details. Darius, the third of the Persian great Kings, decided to invade Scythia. With Darius himself in command, the Persian army of 700,000 soldiers marched across the Danube to the Russian steppes. The Scythians steadily retreated while the Persians pursuit. Darius failed the attempt to force the Scythians to confront the Persians with head-on battle. The Scythians did not abandon their tactic of withdrawal and replied to Darius when he demanded an battle action:
There is nothing new or strange in what we do. We follow our mode of life in peaceful times. We have neither towns nor cultivated lands in these parts which might induce us, through fear of their being ravaged, to be in any hurry to fight you. But if you must needs come to blows with us speedily, look about you, and behold our fathers' tombs. Attempt to meddle with them and you shall see whether or not we will fight with you."

It was indeed very strange war to Darius. There was nothing to be captured and held - no citied, no buildings, no plunder, nothing but the rimless steppe. He was fighting air. Darius had no alternative but to turn back. All the way to the Danube the Scythians harassed his retreat. He never campaigned northward through Europe again and the Scythians prevailed on the south Russian steppe and kept expanding westward for the next century.

From the end of the 7th century to the 3rd century BC, the Scythians occupied the steppe from the north Black Sea area, from the Don in the east to the Danube in the west. Among all those Scythians tribes, the most distinguishing tribe is called the Royal Scythians. With the Royal Scythians playing the dominant role, nomad Scythians, the Callipidae, the Alizones, agricultural Scythians and ploughing Scythians hold a submissive position. While the Royal and Nomad scythians led the nomadic lives, the Callipidae and Alizones lived in semi-nomadic style. Of course ploughing Scythians definitely were sedentary agriculturalists. According to Herodotus, the Callipidae or the Graeco-Scythians lived not far from Olbia, at the mouth of the Bug. To the north, there lived the Alizones; and further north the ploughing Scythians covered the area between the Dnieper and Bug. The Nomad Scythians occupied the steppes of the Azov Sea area and the left and right banks of the Dnieper. Most scholars believe that both banks of the lower Bug as far as the River Konka were the lands of the Nomad Scythians while the Royal Scythians roamed lands further east and south as far as the Don. Lastly the nomadic Scythians occupied at the Altai region of Siberia are called.

It was during the 4th century BC. that the Scythian kingdom reached the hightest economic, political, social and cultural development. Many nomads bacme sedentary in the north Black Sea and Kamenskoe Gorodishche was the economic, political and trading capital of Scythia in the 4th till the first half of the 3rd century BC. The great king Atheas united all the Scythian tribes and expanded his territory to Tracian border on the rigth bank of the Danube. In 339 B.C., Atheas was killed at age of 90 in the battle with Philip of Macedon. However the Scythian kingdom remained strong and wealthy. The outside threat did not disturb their stability until the Celts and the Thracians swept in from the west and the Sarmatians from the east starting at the second half of the 3rd century BC.; the Scythian kingdom was absorbed by other nomdic powers and pretty much disappeared in the history.

Language
Scythians are illiterate, there is no written record left. However few Scythian words survived by Herodotus. According to him, 'pata' meant 'to kill'; 'spou' meant 'eye', 'arima' meant 'one', 'oior' meant 'man'. From these words, the phiologists are able to define Scythian dialecte as a prehistoric Indo-European language.

Taming the Horse
The first of these mounted nomads to attract the attention of historians were the Scythians. If the Scythians were not the first to domesticate the horse they were among the earliest, if not the first of the Central Asian people to learn to ride it. Mounted soldiers was the Scythians' success in war; so when they penetrated into Asia, the technique of riding was rapidly adopted and mastered throughout the entire Middle Eastern area.
Though the Scythian had elaborate bitted bridles, the stirrup was not known to them and they rode on saddleclothes, relying on grip and balance. Even so, they were formidable horsemen in battle.

The Players

Persia (Iran), Cush (Sudan) Put (Libya and Algeria), Gomer (Turkey) Togarmah (Central Asian Moslem Nations) Meshech & Tubal (Ancient Scythians or Modern Russia)

Most reference books since Flavius Josephus generally identify Meshech in Ezekiel's time as an area in modern Turkey.

Tubal (Georgian: თუბალი; Hebrew: תובל or תבל [tuˈval]), in Genesis 10 (the "Table of Nations"), was the name of a son of Japheth, son of Noah. He is known to be the father of the Caucasian Iberians (ancestors of the Georgians) according to primary sources.

Gog = "mountain" (Ruler or prince ala Rosh is the prince of Magog.
1) a Reubenite, son of Shemaiah

Accidently posted this too soon. I will post some more things below tomorrow when I have time to tie this all up, so I will post three oof four more posts to leave myself some room. My mom is not in great shape so I had to take care of her today. She's 87, her sister is 106 (lol)
 
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