Davy
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NOT for the UNBELIEVING JEWS in today's Jerusalem He hasn't.
And the Daniel 9 seventy weeks prophecy is SPECIFICALLY about Daniel's people, and Jerusalem, NOT the Christian Church!
Who is Paul discussing in 2 Thessalonians 2?
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NOT for the UNBELIEVING JEWS in today's Jerusalem He hasn't.
And the Daniel 9 seventy weeks prophecy is SPECIFICALLY about Daniel's people, and Jerusalem, NOT the Christian Church!
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"Petra wont play a part in future fulfillment" as dispensationalism teaches, the scripture clearly names the places of refuge in the wilderness of (Carmel, Bashan, and Gilead) Micah 7:14 below
Below you see the Remnant being fed in the wilderness of Carmel, Bashan, Gilead, manna from heaven, as in the days of old in coming out of Egypt, the world watches in fear of the Lords power
Luke 21:20-21KJV
20 And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh.
21 Then let them which are in Judaea flee to the mountains; and let them which are in the midst of it depart out; and let not them that are in the countries enter thereinto.
Revelation 12:6KJV
6 And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days.
Micah 7:10-18KJV
10 Then she that is mine enemy shall see it, and shame shall cover her which said unto me, Where is the Lord thy God? mine eyes shall behold her: now shall she be trodden down as the mire of the streets.
11 In the day that thy walls are to be built, in that day shall the decree be far removed.
12 In that day also he shall come even to thee from Assyria, and from the fortified cities, and from the fortress even to the river, and from sea to sea, and from mountain to mountain.
13 Notwithstanding the land shall be desolate because of them that dwell therein, for the fruit of their doings.
14 Feed thy people with thy rod, the flock of thine heritage, which dwell solitarily in the wood, in the midst of Carmel: let them feed in Bashan and Gilead, as in the days of old.
15 According to the days of thy coming out of the land of Egypt will I shew unto him marvellous things.
16 The nations shall see and be confounded at all their might: they shall lay their hand upon their mouth, their ears shall be deaf.
17 They shall lick the dust like a serpent, they shall move out of their holes like worms of the earth: they shall be afraid of the Lord our God, and shall fear because of thee.
18 Who is a God like unto thee, that pardoneth iniquity, and passeth by the transgression of the remnant of his heritage? he retaineth not his anger for ever, because he delighteth in mercy.
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You have no understanding of what Jesus accomplished on the cross! He made reconciliation for the sins of all people of all time, including Daniel's people! To say that He has not yet made reconciliation for the iniquity of unbelieving Jews in today's Jerusalem is BLASPHEMY! He most certainly has! What do you want Him to do, die on the cross again for the unbelieving Jews of today when He returns?
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KJV Luke 3
5 Every valley shall be filled [in], and every mountain and hill shall be brought low [leveled]; and the crooked shall be made straight, and the rough ways shall be made smooth;
> In other words, in Christ there shall be equality of people before God. Both in their sinfulness and in their salvation.
6 And all flesh shall see the salvation of God.
KJV Zech. 14 is both spiritually and physically prophetic.
Jesus is the "mountain Valley" that the divided houses of Israel and Judah are to flee to.
Only by individual faith in Christ will one find unity and peace in that division/separation between the two houses of Israel.
Can you hear the words of the NT scriptures being spoken here?
KJV Zech. 14
5 And ye shall flee TO the valley of the mountains; for the valley of the mountains shall reach unto Azal: yea, ye shall flee, like as ye fled from before the earthquake in the days of Uzziah king of Judah: and the Lord my God shall come, and all the saints with thee.
6 And it shall come to pass in that day, that the light shall not be clear, nor dark:
7 But it shall be one day which shall be known to the Lord, not day, nor night: but it shall come to pass, that at evening time it shall be light.
Q. Who came and was/is that Light?
A. Jesus: "I am the light of the world". John 8:12
8 And it shall be in that day, that living waters shall go out from Jerusalem; half of them toward the former sea [saints who lived under the OC], and half of them toward the hinder sea [saints living under the NC]: in summer and in winter shall it be.
Q. Who came and spoke of living waters?
A. Jesus. John 7:38
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Unbelieving Jews, Davy, are not Jews of God. As Paul (who of course was very, very, very Jewish) says, "...no one is a Jew who is merely one outwardly, nor is circumcision outward and physical... a Jew is one inwardly, and circumcision is a matter of the heart, by the Spirit, not by the letter. His praise is not from man but from God." (Romans 2:28-29)
Grace and peace to you.
Also, @Davy .... <smile>... about God's Israel...
Hosea the prophet ministered during the eighth century BC and focused his attention primarily on the northern kingdom of Israel. During the early part of Hosea’s ministry, Jeroboam II ruled over Israel and the northern kingdom enjoyed a good deal of prosperity. But spiritually and morally, the Israelites were bankrupt, having fallen into idolatry that would ultimately cause God to drive them out of their land in 722 BC.
The people were in a sad condition indeed, and part of what made it so tragic was that the people had failed to be what God called them to be ~ a royal priesthood and a light to the nations (Exodus 19:5–6; Isaiah 42:6). This failure occurred despite God’s having graciously adopted Israel as His son, as Hosea 11:1 indicates. Israel was not true to its filial identity and was finally cast out of the land. But Hosea also saw that God’s anger against His people would not last forever; He would provide a renewed Israel who would serve the Lord faithfully (Hosea 11:2–12; see Hosea 2:14–23).
That hope for a new Israel ~ a true Israel that would embody all that God called Israel to be ~ persisted across the centuries into the New Testament era. This hope was finally fulfilled in the incarnation of God’s true Son by nature, Jesus Christ. Matthew tells us that Jesus fulfills Hosea 11 in Matthew 2:13–15...
Jesus is the true Israel, the faithful Israel who succeeds where old covenant Israel failed. Like ancient Israel, He came up out of Egypt, passed through the waters, and was tested in the wilderness (Matthew 2:13–15; 3:13–4:11; see also Exodus 12:40–42; 14:1–31; 16:4). Unlike old covenant Israel, however, Jesus passed the test. He is therefore worthy to be called God’s Son because of Who He is in His deity and because of what He accomplished in His humanity.
The good news of the gospel tells us that we can be the true Israel of God as well. If we are in Christ, we share in the privileges and relationship He enjoys as God’s true Son. We are not sons of God by nature; rather, we are sons of God by adoption, His beloved children in Christ. As such, we inherit all of the promises given to old covenant Israel. Those promises of God that Israel would rule over her enemies and enjoy abundant covenant blessings (for example, Isaiah 14:1–2) ~ those promises are for all of God’s people, the true Israel of God consisting of Jews and Gentiles who are united to Christ by faith alone. In Him we are the true Israel of God, heirs of the glorious destiny promised to God’s old covenant people (Zephaniah 3:14–20).
Grace and peace to you.
Hosea the prophet ministered during the eighth century BC and focused his attention primarily on the northern kingdom of Israel. During the early part of Hosea’s ministry, Jeroboam II ruled over Israel and the northern kingdom enjoyed a good deal of prosperity. But spiritually and morally, the Israelites were bankrupt, having fallen into idolatry that would ultimately cause God to drive them out of their land in 722 BC.
The people were in a sad condition indeed, and part of what made it so tragic was that the people had failed to be what God called them to be ~ a royal priesthood and a light to the nations (Exodus 19:5–6; Isaiah 42:6). This failure occurred despite God’s having graciously adopted Israel as His son, as Hosea 11:1 indicates. Israel was not true to its filial identity and was finally cast out of the land. But Hosea also saw that God’s anger against His people would not last forever; He would provide a renewed Israel who would serve the Lord faithfully (Hosea 11:2–12; see Hosea 2:14–23).
That hope for a new Israel ~ a true Israel that would embody all that God called Israel to be ~ persisted across the centuries into the New Testament era. This hope was finally fulfilled in the incarnation of God’s true Son by nature, Jesus Christ. Matthew tells us that Jesus fulfills Hosea 11 in Matthew 2:13–15...
"Now when they had departed, behold, an angel of the Lord appeared to Joseph in a dream and said, 'Rise, take the child and his mother, and flee to Egypt, and remain there until I tell you, for Herod is about to search for the child, to destroy him.' And he rose and took the child and his mother by night and departed to Egypt and remained there until the death of Herod. This was to fulfill what the Lord had spoken by the prophet, 'Out of Egypt I called my son.')."
Jesus is the true Israel, the faithful Israel who succeeds where old covenant Israel failed. Like ancient Israel, He came up out of Egypt, passed through the waters, and was tested in the wilderness (Matthew 2:13–15; 3:13–4:11; see also Exodus 12:40–42; 14:1–31; 16:4). Unlike old covenant Israel, however, Jesus passed the test. He is therefore worthy to be called God’s Son because of Who He is in His deity and because of what He accomplished in His humanity.
The good news of the gospel tells us that we can be the true Israel of God as well. If we are in Christ, we share in the privileges and relationship He enjoys as God’s true Son. We are not sons of God by nature; rather, we are sons of God by adoption, His beloved children in Christ. As such, we inherit all of the promises given to old covenant Israel. Those promises of God that Israel would rule over her enemies and enjoy abundant covenant blessings (for example, Isaiah 14:1–2) ~ those promises are for all of God’s people, the true Israel of God consisting of Jews and Gentiles who are united to Christ by faith alone. In Him we are the true Israel of God, heirs of the glorious destiny promised to God’s old covenant people (Zephaniah 3:14–20).
Grace and peace to you.
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David in NJ
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All who are in Christ become Daniels people = Gospel
Daniel 9:24-26 Fulfilled
Daniel 9:27 soon coming
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