Who is Paul discussing in 2 Thessalonians 2?

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IndianaRob

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Well, I'm thinking you should understand the truth.
The future temple is a way the kabbalist and other Jewish sects will attempt to bring about the messiah....instead they get the antichrist believing he is the messiah.

Yes, other than fitting prophecy...the temple will be meaningless.
Basically what you’re saying is that the Bible refers to a satanic Kabbalahistic temple as the temple of God.

You don’t see a problem with that?
 

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No. It's simply part of the system.
I think the tech will be turned on prior to the mark.

As to what the mark is....I don't know, but, there appears to be some hints that I've pointed out.
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"Mark of the beast" (on the hand or forehead) is indicated in Revelation 13:16-18, 14:9. It"s an identifier. Someone who does not have it is not allowed to buy or sell.
 
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Basically what you’re saying is that the Bible refers to a satanic Kabbalahistic temple as the temple of God.

You don’t see a problem with that?
Yes and no. Mainly no because it's part of Gods written plan in the bible.
 

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IMO:
"Mark of the beast" (on the hand or forehead) is indicated in Revelation 13:16-18, 14:9. It"s an identifier. Someone who does not have it is not allowed to buy or sell.
Being an identifier is just part of it but it's more.

Just about anyone can fake a mark. I think the mark will be interactive.
 

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IMO:

The Temple is a proxy for the Presence of God, like a home.

1 Kings 8:10-11 depicts the glory of God descending upon the first temple.
 

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Some argue the mark makes you the chip.
Currently we don't know....this is developed (fallen) angel technology.
The mark is said to be on the hand or forehead. I see nothing about angels in the text. Pets sometimes have "microchips" implanted, to identify them if lost.
 
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Yes and no. Mainly no because it's part of Gods written plan in the bible.
I have to push back hard on that one, Crow. That is not God's plan and it's not written in the bible. Your belief system affiliates the temple of God with the kabbalistic temple. The temple of God is the believer, and you can't just say "it's God's written plan" so that it lines up with your belief system.
 

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:::So then, in your opinion, Paul is talking about a different return of Jesus than what Peter is saying."""
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Paul - 1 Thess 4:16-7 "caught up" into the clouds instantly in the twinkle of an eye - 1 Cor 15:52
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Peter etc - Matt 24:31 a gathering process that does not state the process happens instantaneously
So you are thinking that 2 Thes. 1:10 doesn't reveal anyone being "caught up into the clouds instantly"? Not so! Please notice the word "WHEN".

7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, WHEN the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,
8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:
9 Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;
10 WHEN he shall COME to be glorified in his saints [dead in Christ], and to be admired in all them that believe [we who are ALIVE and remain] (because our testimony among you was believed) in that DAY.

Because the word "revealed" is used in the above scriptures, you disagree with them because it doesn't specifically line up to your man made doctrine of a so called SECRET Rapture, whereby Jesus SECRETLY returns, and the saints are supposedly snatched away and upto Christ, of which NO ONE ELSE can see!!
I vehemently disagree with anything that promotes a SECRET Rapture.