Who is the AntiChrist? (Identifying Him)

[Davy]

All those show is that satan is separate from the beast (a kingdom) and separate from rthe3 second beast (also known as the AC).

Yes all three are separate. There is no way to make a kingdom (the first beast(into a man. There's only one man who is found in all passages dealing with the one we commonly call the AC.

If the ten horned beast in Daniel isn't a person, nor is the ten horned beast in Rev. Neither is the AC. The AC is always the next one introduced who rules the ten horned beast. In Daniel it is the little horn. In Rev it is the beast with two little horns. It shouldn't be difficult unless a false doctrine is defended.

But the "another beast" of Rev.13:11-14, which is pointing to a person, is... the "dragon", i.e., Satan, or The Antichrist (which means the 'in place of Christ').

The 'beast' label is used 2 ways in Revelation.
1. for a beast kingdom (which is the subject of the ten horns, seven heads, ten crowns, like you say).
2. for a beast 'king', which is about the one who has 2 horns 'like' a lamb (Jesus), but speaks as a dragon (Satan). Per Rev.9, Satan is that 'king', and angel of the bottomless pit, and also is the beast of Rev.11 that ascends out of the bottomless pit to kill God's two witnesses in Jerusalem at the end.

The "little horn" prophecy in the Book of Daniel is about No.2 above, the 'beast king' idea. He represents the Antichrist for the end, and comes up among the ten horns, which is revealed even in Revelation 17.

But men's doctrines confuse that "another beast" part with trying to push into it another entity like the "false prophet", when the mere 'idea'... of a beast and false prophet are simply ROLES, or CHARACTERS which Satan will play as the "another beast" king, working great signs, wonders, and miracles, raining fire down from heaven to earth in the sight of men.

 

[Hobie]

Both antichrist and false prophet are singular, proving they are speaking about a singular person. It is flawed doctrine and doctrinal bias that forces you to deny these obvious truths. You deny a singular and future AC despite scripture speaking of that.

All false doctrines in some way deny the future and singular antichrist.

And they can be found in one place to a man who claims all authority even above God....

“Furthermore, in this one Church of Christ no man can be or remain who does not accept, recognize and obey the authority and supremacy of Peter and his legitimate successors.”
(Pope Pius XI, Encyclical, Mortalium animos, January 6, 1928, The Papal Encyclicals, Claudia Carlen, I.H.M., McGrath Publishing Co., 1981, pp. 317, 318).

“We define that the Holy Apostolic See (the Vatican) and the Roman Pontiff hold the primacy over the whole world.”
A Decree of the Council of Trent, quoted in Philippe Labbe and Gabriel Cossart, “The Most Holy Councils,” col. 1167.

“But as for you and your companions, you certainly sin, if, having heard the decrees of the Apostolic See, and of the universal Church, and the same is confirmed by Holy Writ, you refuse to follow them; for, though your fathers were holy, do you think that their small number, in a corner of the remotest island, is to be preferred before the universal Church of Christ throughout the world?......https://testallthings.com/2007/03/19/the-pope-claims-to-be-god-on-earth/

 

[Davy]

And they can be found in one place to a man who claims all authority even above God....

“Furthermore, in this one Church of Christ no man can be or remain who does not accept, recognize and obey the authority and supremacy of Peter and his legitimate successors.”
(Pope Pius XI, Encyclical, Mortalium animos, January 6, 1928, The Papal Encyclicals, Claudia Carlen, I.H.M., McGrath Publishing Co., 1981, pp. 317, 318).

“We define that the Holy Apostolic See (the Vatican) and the Roman Pontiff hold the primacy over the whole world.”
A Decree of the Council of Trent, quoted in Philippe Labbe and Gabriel Cossart, “The Most Holy Councils,” col. 1167.

“But as for you and your companions, you certainly sin, if, having heard the decrees of the Apostolic See, and of the universal Church, and the same is confirmed by Holy Writ, you refuse to follow them; for, though your fathers were holy, do you think that their small number, in a corner of the remotest island, is to be preferred before the universal Church of Christ throughout the world?......https://testallthings.com/2007/03/19/the-pope-claims-to-be-god-on-earth/

That thinking that a pope will be the final Antichrist for the end is like false eastern religions, call it Popeism maybe?

 

[ewq1938]

And they can be found in one place to a man who claims all authority even above God....

That's but one of the many antichrists that have always existed. There is a final one coming who is going to be similar but different like how there are variations within the many kinds of AC's ie: the last AC will not be a Pope etc.

 

[Davy]

Jesus and His Apostles John and Paul already showed us enough about the coming false-Messiah for the end, that it cannot simply be a flesh-born man.

In Matthew 24:23-26, Jesus warned about a 'singular' false-Messiah for the end, coming to work 'great signs, and wonders' that IF it were possible, would deceive even His very elect.

Matt 24:23 Then if any man shall say unto you, "Lo, here is Christ, or there"; believe it not.
24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
25 Behold, I have told you before.
26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you, "Behold, He is in the desert"; go not forth: "behold, He is in the secret chambers"; believe it not.
KJV

Did Jesus say above 'they' will be saying MANY Christs are coming? NO! Jesus was pointing specifically to a SINGULAR false one there, working miracles to deceive.

In verse 24, the phrase "false Christs" is simply Greek pseudochristos, a word made up of 2 Greek words, pseudo which means false, and christos which is singular for Christ.

Dr. James Strong in his Strong's Exhaustive Concordance even defined that Greek pseudochristos to mean 'a spurious Messiah' which is about a SINGULAR false Messiah (see Strong's no.5580).

The Matthew 24:23 & 26 verses are even in the SINGULAR TENSE about a single false-Messiah that the deceived will wrongly claim is Christ. And Jesus warned us to not believe it.


Then Lord Jesus gave an example of the LEVEL of deception that spurious Messiah will work. Who do you think Jesus was pointing to with His "very elect"? That is about His elect which are 'sealed' with the Truth by The Holy Spirit in prep for the end. They cannot... be deceived, for He has already shown them.

So what POWER LEVEL of deception would be required to ALMOST... deceive Christ's "very elect" by those "great signs and wonders" that spurious Messiah will do? That is the LEVEL of deception that coming spurious Messiah will work on this earth deceiving the whole... world, except Christ's elect who's names were written in the book of life from the foundation of the world (Revelation 13:4-8).

By the above Scripture of Jesus' warning, you should understand that coming spurious Messiah cannot be about some simply flesh-born man working those great signs and wonders to deceive the whole world. It cannot be a pope, nor any man born in the flesh. Who then does that leave?

 

[Hobie]

The "final Antichrist" is a counter-Reformation fabrication by the antichrist who has been on earth for more than 1,500 years.

The apostate papacy.

John's antichrists are not mythical servants of a mythical future antichrist.

They are actual antichrists who were already present when John wrote, and have been ever since.

Yes, they are trying to wipe out their guilt, but the evidence is there...Here is a good study on this from what turns out to be one of my college professors.. Futurism's Countdown: Fact or Fantasy? - Biblical Research Institute

 

[Hobie]

That's but one of the many antichrists that have always existed. There is a final one coming who is going to be similar but different like how there are variations within the many kinds of AC's ie: the last AC will not be a Pope etc.

They all get their power from the same source, and it came into the church and the Papacy has corrupted it...
Revelation 12:9
And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

 

[Davy]

They all get their power from the same source, and it came into the church and the Papacy has corrupted it...
Revelation 12:9
And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

You are simply thinking with your 'carnal' mind, and not understanding spiritual things in Christ Jesus. Carnal thinking is all those seminary doctors can relay.

1 .Who did the very first sin, ever?
ANSWER: Satan, in the beginning, when he coveted God's Throne for himself in wanting to be GOD.

2. When did the concept of the 'beast' king and 'beast' kingdom begin?
ANSWER: at Satan's original rebellion against God in that old world, with the Rev.12:3-4 'beast' kingdom then that had only "seven crowns", which also was when he drew a third of the angels ("stars") to earth in rebellion with him.

3. What office then have the 'beast' kings and 'beast' kingdoms of this world in the past served as?
ANSWER: They represent TYPES for what Satan originally did at his rebellion in the beginning in the old world which God destroyed.

4. Since Satan's original rebellion was as the first 'beast king', and with the first 'beast kingdom', then who might that FINAL 'beast king' and 'beast kingdom' at the end be reserved for??
ANSWER: Satan himself.

That is why Revelation 17 reveals the 7th beast king for the end of this world will ascend out of the bottomless pit and go into perdition. It's because it will be Satan himself, appearing on earth with the image of 'man', made the full pattern of beauty, playing the 'instead of Christ'. It is impossible for any... flesh born man to ascend out of that bottomless pit.

Rev 17:8
8 The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.
KJV

 

[ewq1938]

They all get their power from the same source, and it came into the church and the Papacy has corrupted it...

There is corruption in every facet and part and denomination of Christianity. Once you see that, you can truly begin to see.

 

[Truthnightmare]

For what it’s worth I belief satan is the antichrist.

 

[Hobie]

That's but one of the many antichrists that have always existed. There is a final one coming who is going to be similar but different like how there are variations within the many kinds of AC's ie: the last AC will not be a Pope etc.

Well he wont be alone, he will be joined by what can only be demons working with or within people and someone of charisma or able to draw others to him and listen as we are given clues..
Revelation 16:13-14
13 And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet.
14 For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.

 

[rwb]

For what it’s worth I belief satan is the antichrist.

And all who are in unbelief that are his offspring.

 

[ewq1938]

Well he wont be alone, he will be joined by what can only be demons working with or within people and someone of charisma or able to draw others to him and listen as we are given clues..
Revelation 16:13-14
13 And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet.
14 For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.

Satan is the one behind the antichrist and the antichrist's global kingdom. Those are the three depicted above.

 

[Davy]

Satan is the one behind the antichrist and the antichrist's global kingdom. Those are the three depicted above.

So it will be a flesh born man that will ascend up from the earth, and up from the bottomless pit?

Rev 13:11-14
11 And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon.
12 And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed.
13 And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men,
14 And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.
KJV

Rev 11:7
7 And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them.
KJV

Rev 17:8
8 The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.
KJV

Rev 13:4-8
4 And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?
5 And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.
6 And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven.
7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.
8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.
KJV

That simply ain't... about no flesh born Antichrist, nor false prophet. That is about SATAN, that "dragon". He will be the one coming as the Antichrist, IN PERSON ON EARTH.

 

[Truthnightmare]

And all who are in unbelief that are his offspring.

Spirituality I agree, but I believe Satan has literal offspring also.

 

[rwb]

Spirituality I agree, but I believe Satan has literal offspring also.

Can't deny that, there is a host of them ejected from heaven to the earth with him when Christ was born. They are the demonic hosts, the messengers of Satan, "And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him."

 

[Davy]

Can't deny that, there is a host of them ejected from heaven to the earth with him when Christ was born. They are the demonic hosts, the messengers of Satan, "And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him."

That didn't happen when Jesus was born in the flesh.

That Rev.12:7-17 event is still yet to happen today. When it does happen, it will kickoff the time of "great tribulation" that is coming.

 

[Truthnightmare]

Can't deny that, there is a host of them ejected from heaven to the earth with him when Christ was born. They are the demonic hosts, the messengers of Satan, "And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him."

And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.

Is the woman’s seed literal? Of course for it was Christ who was bruised.

Seed-
Original Word: זֶרַע
Part of Speech: Noun Masculine
Transliteration: zera
Phonetic Spelling: (zeh'-rah)
Definition: a sowing, seed, offspring

The parable of the tares tells us the enemy sowed seed, that seed when you check out what the devil soweth in Strong's Greek dictionary, it is "sperma"; the devil who is Satan deposited male sperma into mother of all living.

We also see a that Christ gave understanding to this parable.

Matthew 13:38 "The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one;"

Seed in the Greek
Original Word: σπέρμα, ατος, τό
Part of Speech: Noun, Neuter
Transliteration: sperma
Phonetic Spelling: (sper'-mah)
Definition: that which is sown, seed
Usage: (a) seed, commonly of cereals, (b) offspring, descendents.

I hold to the belief Adam and Eve didn’t cover there private parts because they ate a apple nor did God curse Eves womb and her sexual desire because of applesauce.

You’re a sharp one so I know you catch my drift, better get going a lot to do..

Have an awesome day RWB

 

[rwb]

And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.

Is the woman’s seed literal? Of course for it was Christ who was bruised.

Seed-
Original Word: זֶרַע
Part of Speech: Noun Masculine
Transliteration: zera
Phonetic Spelling: (zeh'-rah)
Definition: a sowing, seed, offspring

The parable of the tares tells us the enemy sowed seed, that seed when you check out what the devil soweth in Strong's Greek dictionary, it is "sperma"; the devil who is Satan deposited male sperma into mother of all living.

We also see a that Christ gave understanding to this parable.

Matthew 13:38 "The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one;"

Seed in the Greek
Original Word: σπέρμα, ατος, τό
Part of Speech: Noun, Neuter
Transliteration: sperma
Phonetic Spelling: (sper'-mah)
Definition: that which is sown, seed
Usage: (a) seed, commonly of cereals, (b) offspring, descendents.

I hold to the belief Adam and Eve didn’t cover there private parts because they ate a apple nor did God curse Eves womb and her sexual desire because of applesauce.

You’re a sharp one so I know you catch my drift, better get going a lot to do..

Have an awesome day RWB

Hmmm, interesting! Something to chew on.

Wishing you also an awesome day and a very Merry Christmas!

 

[Hobie]

Satan is the one behind the antichrist and the antichrist's global kingdom. Those are the three depicted above.

The scriptures shows they are separate and distinct, don't see any reason to doubt.