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Who is the Whore of babylon

Discussion in 'Christian Apologetics Forum' started by Andrew Kind, Dec 19, 2018.

  1. epostle

    epostle Active Member

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    How the Satanic Black Mass Proves the Truth of Catholicism
    OR
    HOW GADAR'S MOCKERY PARALLELS THE SATANIC BLACK MASS​
     
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    Where? According to YOUR profile, you have not replied to BoL in your last 16 posts. Post 393 is not "dealing with content", it's trolling, with no substance whatsoever.
     
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    Of course gadar rejects the ECF quotes. His system, founded in the 1960's, is completely divorced from the early church.
     
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    Well I looked but cannot find find statistics on SDA membership outside of SDA sources. Within the SDA sites they report 18 million members worldwide, not 25. And for every 100 they gain they lose 47.

    You say only true to true global faiths. But the fact is the two largest face are Christianity and Islam.

    And I found this on the site

    Major traditions represented

    • Catholics
    • Independents
    • Orthodox
    • Protestants
    • Pentecostals
    • Charismatics
    • Evangelicals
    SDA is not in the list.

    Being a membership site I didn't dig deeper
     
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    He's like a broken record repeating himself. I'm not going to keep repeating myself.
     
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    I did NOT accuse you of cannibalism. I asked you to harmonize your view with Scripture. Obviously you can't.

    You rely on the words of a "ECF" who wrote over 100 years after Paul departed and wolves came in not sparing the flock.

    You did not answer part of one of my questions.

    If the cup is actually the blood of Christ and the bread is actually the flesh of Christ, how do you harmonize eating them in light of the fact that believers are not to drink blood or partake in cannibalism?​
     
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    This article says the "Eucharist" is a sacrifice. So, in other words, every time the RCC gives the Eucharist to someone, it is the sacrifice of Yeshua over and over again. Yet, Hebrews 9:25-26 says,

    Nor yet that he should offer himself often, as the high priest entereth into the holy place every year with blood of others;
    For then must he often have suffered since the foundation of the world: but now once in the end of the world hath he appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself.
    Why does the RCC go against Scripture and sacrifice him "often"? Wasn't Yeshua's one time sacrifice enough? It sounds to me like the RCC mass is unscriptural, if not Satanic.
     
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    My "system" goes back to Yeshua in which he was exalted as the Son of God, not God Himself; in which all believers kept the Sabbath and Feasts; in which no one ever purposely ate unclean meat; in which baptisms were done by immersing under water, not by sprinkling; in which no one would ever worship a piece of bread or a painted picture of a "saint" or wear crosses around their necks. If Yeshua died by hanging, should we wear a hangman's noose around our necks? My "system" is not one that excludes people from salvation because they don't believe like me or belong to the same organization I do.
     
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    IF???

    There is no IF in this statement: This IS my body given for you; do this in remembrance of me.

    Nor this statement: The cup of blessing which we bless, is it not the communion of the blood of Christ? The bread which we break, is it not the communion of the body of Christ?

    Oh ye of little faith......You do not believe what Jesus and Paul told you?

    Bible study Mary
     
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    Yes, "IF". You are among those who believe once a priest (even a pedophile priest) blesses the bread and cup it literally becomes the Savior's flesh and blood even before it enters the mouth. I am among those who believe they are symbols that literally represent the Savior's flesh and blood. What happened to all those deceived Catholics that thought they were taking a sacred Eucharist, but were actually taking a defiled Eucharist by a defiled priest?
     
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    Ummmmmmm, first of all – I NEVER said you “accused” me of cannibalism.

    I said that I loved being COMPARED to the Early Christians who were accused of being cannibals for their belief in the Eucharist.

    As to HOW to reconcile consuming Christ’s Bod and Blood – NT fulfillments are ALWAYS more glorious and perfect than their OT typeswithout exception.

    The Passover Lamb, which was to befully consumed was a TYPE of Christ, who is OUR Paschal Lamb.

    Cannibalism requires eating the tissue from a body. The Eucharist is a SACRAMENTAL formula for consuming Christ, which HE instituted at the Last Supper.

    He DIDN’T say, “This only a symbol of my body” and “This is just a "metaphorical representation" of my blood.”

    He said: “This IS my body and “This IS my blood.”

    The fact that YOU refuse to believe Him speaks volumes . . .
     
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    The fact that Yeshua was holding up a piece of bread to his disciples when he said those words (BEFORE he even died, before his body was given for us) proves he was using it as a symbol.
     
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    You compared me to those who accused the Early Christians. Same thing.

    Religious mumbo jumbo.
     
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    You are a TEXTBOOK case of Scriptural ignorance.
    Time for a Bible lesson . . .

    - Heb. 10:10-14 says that Christ’s sacrifice was made once for all.

    - HOWEVER, 2 Pet. 3:8 states that God is OUTSIDE of time.

    - BECAUSE of this, Scripture tells us that Christ was slain before the foundations of the world (Rev. 13:8).

    - THIS is why Heb. 7:25 states emphatically that Christ lives FOREVER to make intercession for us.

    In OTHER words, Einstein – His sacrifice is ETERNAL.

    The Catholic Church does not sacrifice Him “over and over”. The Mass brings us to Calvary – to that once for ALL sacrifice in a RE-presentation of that ONE sacrifice.

    So, next time – do your homework before making these kinds of embarrassingly-ignorant claims . . .
     
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    You are right. I am among those who believe that once the bread/cup is blessed it becomes Jesus.....Because that is what Jesus said....This IS my body/blood....Do this in remembrance of me. Why don't you believe and do what Jesus said? Is it because of your lack of faith?

    How is it that any Christian that practices what has been taught for 2,000 years "deceived" but you and your ilk practice what has been taught for 500 years and you are not deceived?? That logic makes ZERO sense.

    It is also what the Christians who walked and talked with the Apostles believed. Why don't you believe them and their words? Why do you believe the words of the men of the Reformation?

    The Apostle John said it in the Bread of Life discourse....Why don't you believe John?

    Ignatius of Antioch who was a student of the Apostle John believed it...Why don't you?

    Can you explain how the men of the Reformation are right on this subject and Ignatius was wrong? Why should I believe them over Ignatius?

    Curious Mary
     
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    TRANSLATION:
    "I have NO way of refuting that argument."

    That's what I thought . . .
     
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    Really? Proves that he was using a symbol? At no point does scripture (or the historical writings of the Christians who walked and talked with the Apostles) say that it was a symbol. It's simply not in the bible. It is only the words of the men of the Reformation 1,500 years after the death of Christ can one find this heretical teaching. Can you show me where The Church taught this "symbol" teaching BEFORE the Reformation?

    Why don't you believe what Scripture says AFTER He died: For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh damnation to himself, not discerning the Lord's body.

    Also, after he died, he sat at meat with them, he took bread, and blessed it, and brake, and gave to them. And their eyes were opened, and they knew him; and he vanished out of their sight

    Why are your eyes still closed gadar?

    Curious and bible study Mary
     
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    Do you participate in the taking of bread and wine at your church?

    Curious Mary
     
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    He was slain in YHWH's plan of salvation.

    Yes, he lives forever, but you would kill him over and over again in your mass's sacrifice.

    That's a new one; "a RE-presentation". First you supposedly make bread and wine become the literal flesh and blood of Messiah. Then you sacrifice him again, but say it is only a RE-presentation? Talk about man-made foolishness. And you call me ignorant?
     
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    Because the men of the Reformation were led by the Spirit to come out of Babylon and forsake her ways.
     
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