Who or What is Antichrist?

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Dcopymope

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Mungo said:
Indeed!
I've had a quick look at one of the websites heretoeternity recommended. It's total garbage.

Gullible people look at this kind of stuff, suspend their critical faculties, and lap it up.

Unfortunately it seems to be impossible to engage heretoeternity in a rational discussion.
You all are just figuring this out about heretoeternity? It took you long enough.
 

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Dcopymope said:
You all are just figuring this out about heretoeternity? It took you long enough.
Obviously the Bible quotes from the Word of God offends the followers of the pagan based Roman religious system..this is not surprising. It has persecuted, killed millions of Christians over the centuries since it's inception and continues to lead it's daughters followers astray and will continue to do so until the era of satan's rule on the earth is terminated by God....Daniel 7, Matthew 24, 2nd Thess 2, Revelation 13, 17 and 18..
 

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heretoeternity said:
Obviously the Bible quotes from the Word of God offends the followers of the pagan based Roman religious system..this is not surprising. It has persecuted, killed millions of Christians over the centuries since it's inception and continues to lead it's daughters followers astray and will continue to do so until the era of satan's rule on the earth is terminated by God....Daniel 7, Matthew 24, 2nd Thess 2, Revelation 13, 17 and 18..
As usual with heretoeternity - baseless claims with not a shred of evidence provided.

Exodus 20:16 "You shall not bear false witness against your neighbour."
 

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Dcopymope said:
You all are just figuring this out about heretoeternity? It took you long enough.
No, just pointing it out yet again.

I have pointed out before that heretoeternity is just a troll and bigoted anti-Catholic.

He is just here to insult us.
 
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LOL...the Bible verses offend you...somehow that is not surprising...try reading those Bible verses and learn the truth and it will make you free as Jesus said in John 8.32 and 17.17 God's word is truth"....
Also read Daniel 7, 2nd Thess 2, Revelation 13, 17 and 18...
 

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heretoeternity said:
LOL...the Bible verses offend you...somehow that is not surprising...try reading those Bible verses and learn the truth and it will make you free as Jesus said in John 8.32 and 17.17 God's word is truth"....
Also read Daniel 7, 2nd Thess 2, Revelation 13, 17 and 18...
A person can quote the bible until they are blue in the face. It doesn't mean they have a clue of what they are talking about. Pounding verses into the ground without proper exegesis does nothing.
 

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kepha31 said:
THE-LARGEST-CHARITABLE-INSTITUTION.jpg
Does this look like the whore-duh-babble-on???
The fact that an organization sometimes does good things for people doesn't prove that what its teaches is true. There are atheist organizations that do charitable things. Satan sometimes appears as an angel of light by leading organizations under his control to help meet the physical needs of people so he can trick them into relying on that organization to help meet their spiritual needs.
 

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theophilus said:
The fact that an organization sometimes does good things for people doesn't prove that what its teaches is true. There are atheist organizations that do charitable things. Satan sometimes appears as an angel of light by leading organizations under his control to help meet the physical needs of people so he can trick them into relying on that organization to help meet their spiritual needs.
i agree with you; nonetheless, a good deed covers many sins. And Catholics are not Catholicism. Meaning that every Catholic believes somewhat differently from every other Catholic, too. And that there are certainly Catholic jerks, and Catholic pure hearts.

Is their theology, their belief system, not in line with your understanding of Scripture, as it is not with mine? Then what are we called to do, as followers of Christ, in that case? That is the question. Shall we pull up some Tares, then? That is what i have been doing, all my life. You'd think God could crash the RCC by Himself, if that was what served Him, wouldn't you?

Don't get me wrong i struggle with this , also; but i have come to see that the struggle is in me. It is my problem, and God does not share it, and neither can i seem to get Him to pay any attention to this. So then i said, "let me go see why." And it took a while, but they were patient--more patient, obviously than either of us would have been, wadr--and so i finally came to see why, that being because they serve a purpose, just like the rest of imperfect Christianity does.

With all due respect you assume your doctrine is correct, and i assume mine is correct--we'll say--but ours is just as whacked. And that is just as irrelevant, at the end of the day, when it is our hearts that are judged.
 

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Born_Again said:
A person can quote the bible until they are blue in the face. It doesn't mean they have a clue of what they are talking about. Pounding verses into the ground without proper exegesis does nothing.
Romans 3.31 "it is doers of the law that are justified, not hearers of the law"
It is always good to apply the Bible from the position of obeying the word of God. Unfortunately, too many apply Biblical quotes with the attempt to justify non compliance with the word of God..."do we make void the law through faith? God forbid. We establish the law" Romans 3.31.
!st John 2.4 "he that says they know Him and keep NOT his commandments are liars and the truth is not in them"
This is the fine line which separates true believers from the antichrist, who would have us not follow the true word of God.
 

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theophilus said:
The fact that an organization sometimes does good things for people doesn't prove that what its teaches is true. There are atheist organizations that do charitable things. Satan sometimes appears as an angel of light by leading organizations under his control to help meet the physical needs of people so he can trick them into relying on that organization to help meet their spiritual needs.
The image in question is not trying to prove true teaching, it merely illustrates good fruit. If atheists do charitable things, we applaud it. It may be the only place where we can meet them.

VATICAN CITY (CNS) -- Christians are called to follow the example of St. Therese of Lisieux, who helped draw people to Jesus by way of attraction, not by proselytizing, Pope Francis said.
She was a reminder that an authentic witness is proclaimed through a union with Christ "in prayer, adoration and in concrete charity, which is serving Jesus, who is present in the least of our brothers and sisters," he said Oct. 5 during his weekly general audience.

http://www.catholicnews.com/services/englishnews/2016/pope-churchs-mission-is-to-attract-people-to-christ-not-proselytize.cfm

Serving Jesus is under satan's control? How much more warped can you get?

Mark 3:25 And if a house is divided against itself, that house will not be able to stand.

2000 years and still standing.
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i agree with you; nonetheless, a good deed covers many sins. And Catholics are not Catholicism. Meaning that every Catholic believes somewhat differently from every other Catholic, too. And that there are certainly Catholic jerks, and Catholic pure hearts.
Catholics are Christians. Our teachings can be traced back back to the Apostles, your innovative teachings (sola scriptura, sola fide, no baptism regeneration, no apostolic succession, etc., etc.) can only be traced to 15th century at best. There are some Catholics who do not follow Church teaching, but that does not mean each Catholic believes differently. We have one set of doctrines that have never changed, whereas you have tens of thousands of sets to choose from. Your statement is hypocritical.
Is their theology, their belief system, not in line with your understanding of Scripture, as it is not with mine? Then what are we called to do, as followers of Christ, in that case? That is the question. Shall we pull up some Tares, then? That is what i have been doing, all my life. You'd think God could crash the RCC by Himself, if that was what served Him, wouldn't you?
Pitting the Bible against the Church is not found anywhere in the Bible. It's a man made Protestant tradition. Either Jesus promised to be with us always or He lied. What was the date that Jesus allegedly abandoned His Church? You have no answer to that question without playing games with history, forcing it to fit your system .
Don't get me wrong i struggle with this , also; but i have come to see that the struggle is in me. It is my problem, and God does not share it, and neither can i seem to get Him to pay any attention to this. So then i said, "let me go see why." And it took a while, but they were patient--more patient, obviously than either of us would have been, wadr--and so i finally came to see why, that being because they serve a purpose, just like the rest of imperfect Christianity does.

With all due respect you assume your doctrine is correct, and i assume mine is correct--we'll say--but ours is just as whacked. And that is just as irrelevant, at the end of the day, when it is our hearts that are judged.
With all due respect, your assumptions of Catholicism are false.



a satire:

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kepha31 said:
The image in question is not trying to prove true teaching, it merely illustrates good fruit. If atheists do charitable things, we applaud it. It may be the only place where we can meet them.

VATICAN CITY (CNS) -- Christians are called to follow the example of St. Therese of Lisieux, who helped draw people to Jesus by way of attraction, not by proselytizing, Pope Francis said.
She was a reminder that an authentic witness is proclaimed through a union with Christ "in prayer, adoration and in concrete charity, which is serving Jesus, who is present in the least of our brothers and sisters," he said Oct. 5 during his weekly general audience.

http://www.catholicnews.com/services/englishnews/2016/pope-churchs-mission-is-to-attract-people-to-christ-not-proselytize.cfm

Serving Jesus is under satan's control? How much more warped can you get?

Mark 3:25 And if a house is divided against itself, that house will not be able to stand.

2000 years and still standing.

nonetheless, he makes a point, that is valid in certain quarters, even if it does not describe the whole imo
 

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Catholics are Christians. Our teachings can be traced back back to the Apostles, your innovative teachings (sola scriptura, sola fide, no baptism regeneration, no apostolic succession, etc., etc.) can only be traced to 15th century at best. There are some Catholics who do not follow Church teaching, but that does not mean each Catholic believes differently. We have one set of doctrines that have never changed, whereas you have tens of thousands of sets to choose from. Your statement is hypocritical.
oh, nonsense. No two Catholics believe exactly alike, either, i volunteer with them alla time, and they are just like everyone else. No lock-steppage, except among clergy, maybe. So what.
 

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Pitting the Bible against the Church is not found anywhere in the Bible.
ah, well, i did not mean to pit It against any Church, though, see, and i am merely contrasting It with some doctrines of a particular "church," an organization established by men, with a charter, and laws, and guys signing Contracts for Jesus, see. No offense, but night and day there.

It's a man made Protestant tradition. Either Jesus promised to be with us always or He lied. What was the date that Jesus allegedly abandoned His Church? You have no answer to that question without playing games with history, forcing it to fit your system .
um, are you still talking to me? Because i do not believe that anyone was ever abandoned, and i grasp what "Comforter" means, thank you though. Confess to some guy who says he is my "Priest" is not in There, wadr.
 

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With all due respect, your assumptions of Catholicism are false.
but i have made no assumptions about Catholicism, at all; you cannot list any, not even one. The sum total of my assumptions about Catholicism amount to "Catholicism is not Catholics," meaning one is a belief system and the other is people, who have hearts, and free will, etc. They are, obviously two different but related concepts, iow.

So, if i have made any assumptions that you see, or that you think i inferred, then BAM quote them, and we can go from there, but in bringing up Catholics at all i merely meant to contrast them with Catholicism, as a for instance. Pentecostals are not Pentecostalism, etc.
 

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Judge the Catholic Church not by those who barely live by it's spirit, but by the example of those who live closest to it.
Archbishop Sheen
 

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kepha31 said:
Judge the Catholic Church not by those who barely live by it's spirit, but by the example of those who live closest to it.
Archbishop Sheen
so, are you just going to ignore now that you have made accusations you cannot back up? Or am i wrong, and did i in fact make some assumptions about Catholicism, and i am just oblivious? Because wadr either i owe you an apology, or you owe me one so which is it? Ty

ps, nice quote, it illuminates exactly what i meant, but i'm not sure if that was what you meant or not.
And it would not surprise me if we put different Catholics in those two categories, either, but one hairball at a time.
 

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kepha31's level of OSAS bigotry is a sickness. It's also an addiction. I call it spiritual pornography where the effects induce alterations in brain chemistry, and the viewer seeks stronger and stronger OSAS hate. Like crack. Adrenaline rushes may also be involved. These people cannot be reasoned with, only the Holy Spirit can heal them.
not knowing you and hereto are in the same boat of unbelief, lol. :rolleyes:
 

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bbyrd009 said:
so, are you just going to ignore now that you have made accusations you cannot back up? Or am i wrong, and did i in fact make some assumptions about Catholicism, and i am just oblivious? Because wadr either i owe you an apology, or you owe me one so which is it? Ty

ps, nice quote, it illuminates exactly what i meant, but i'm not sure if that was what you meant or not.
And it would not surprise me if we put different Catholics in those two categories, either, but one hairball at a time.
I apologize. You have made no assumptions about our doctrines, but you do make assumptions of categories. I have said this many times: not all Catholics follow the teachings of the Church, and that is not the Church's fault. I agree there are different "categories" of Catholics, just as there are different catagories of Protestants.

Aug 31, 2015
Earlier this month, the Catholic League commissioned The Polling Company, headed by Kellyanne Conway, to conduct a nationwide survey of Catholics. In addition to the usual questions asked of respondents, we asked about issues the media have little interest in pursuing. We also dug deeper, seeking to tap the ways Catholics are conflicted over various matters.

The problem with many surveys is that they seek to elicit a black and white response to contemporary subjects; this is especially problematic when contentious issues are being weighed. Our survey was designed to allow for a more nuanced, and therefore accurate, response.

The findings suggest that most Catholics are faithful sons and daughters, and this is especially true of practicing Catholics. To read my analysis of the survey data, click here. The analysis has been sent to the bishops of every diocese in the nation.
survey proves revealing
 

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Kepka mentions hospitals, schools etc the Roman based religious organization owns....don't forget these are NOT free..people, even the people in impoverished nations have to PAY...the richest organization on the planet still makes these people shell out their scarce money.
Google "The antichrist is hidden in plain sight"....and Read revelation 17 and 18 of the Bible.