Dave M
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You are free to live in sickness and poverty if you so choose but I choose to believe for and accept the blessings, protection,and gifts from God!
is that why you have faith?? for your material blessings??
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You are free to live in sickness and poverty if you so choose but I choose to believe for and accept the blessings, protection,and gifts from God!
You are free to live in sickness and poverty if you so choose but I choose to believe for and accept the blessings, protection,and gifts from God!
James 4:11 Speak not evil one of another, brethren. He that speaketh evil of his brother, and judgeth his brother, speaketh evil of the law, and judgeth the law: but if thou judge the law, thou art not a doer of the law, but a judge.
James 4:12 There is one lawgiver, who is able to save and to destroy: who art thou that judgest another?
3John 1:2 Beloved, I wish above all things that thou mayest prosper and be in health, even as thy soul prospereth.====Psalm 112:3 Wealth and riches shall be in his house: and his righteousness endureth for ever. Psalm 35:27 Let the LORD be magnified, which hath pleasure in the prosperity of his servant.
Yes!!! God wants to bless His family with health and prosperity but you are free to reject the gifts of God and live poor and sick= your choice!
Do you not know that Jesus said we would always have the poor around us?
6 "But Jesus said, “Leave her alone; why are you bothering her? She has done a beautiful deed to Me. 7 The poor you will always have with you, and you can help them whenever you want. But you will not always have Me. 8 She has done what she could to anoint My body in advance of My burial.…"
Mark 14:6-8
There are 3rd world countries that have more faith than most of the Western world (ly?) has in the tip of a fingernail. I say that is because of their gratitude for the smallest of things. A kid in a poor country could be given an old plastic pop bottle and play with it, with glee, until it is shredded! Gratitude.
Sick?? Well YEAH, we ARE still in our mortal bodies...hello! "THINK" Why did not Paul just heal Timothy instead of telling him to take a little wine for his stomach issues?? Hmm. I am going to guess that you will come back with another one liner of the same that you always do. You only use a very small handful of scriptures and they are always the same.
Be grateful for what He has already given you! Why do you seek more??
You say that you are rich...
"17 You say, ‘I am rich; I have grown wealthy and need nothing. But you do not realize that you are wretched, pitiful, poor, blind, and naked. 18 I counsel you to buy from Me gold refined by fire so that you may become rich, white garments so that you may be clothed and your shameful nakedness not exposed, and salve to anoint your eyes so that you may see.…"
Revelation 3:17-18
And, re-read the poor widows mite story again...perhaps it might give you a wider range of scripture and reality.
…42Then one poor widow came and put in two small copper coins, which amounted to a small fraction of a denarius. 43 Jesus called His disciples to Him and said, “Truly I tell you, this poor widow has put more than all the others into the treasury. 44For they all contributed out of their surplus, but she out of her poverty has put in all she had to live on.”…
Mark 12:42-43
Who do you think was more righteous, the rich out of their abundance or the poor widow giving out of her POVERTY? I can tell you, it was NOT the Pharisees.
She obviously had faith that God would care for her needs no matter what. THAT is true faith in action. BTW- He does NOT bless us with money and things to consume on our selves, it is to be used for the furthering of His Kingdom. Be grateful for what He gives and does. This prosperity teaching is something I was caught up in in the early 90's. And let me tell you, how grateful that He answered my prayers for discernment.
We all need to remain teachable, no matter how long someone has been saved, it should not matter at all. God can use a child to speak to your heart/spirit. You can remain cemented in the very tiny area of well, basically only two doctrines...pre trib rapture and prosperity gospel, or you can seek ALL of Him diligently. Seek the giver, not the giving. He gives all the time! We say Wow and thank you Jesus! Gratitude is what our Father desires from us, rich or poor.
God want's us to seek "spiritual" things, not worldly things. He blesses as He sees fit, we do not demand things from Him.
God Bless and grow in Him
...and how he regards it, and puts it to use.If God blesses a person with health and prosperity---Praise God!
Teh health and prosperity gospel is heretical but there is nothing wrong if one is blessed with these things and comes about them honestly.
There is one thing in the entire universe that should be coveted by all, and that is wisdom. Sick, naked, poor, unattractive, destitute or alone, wisdom is the only thing that defines a man's purpose and worth. For even death bears no threat, when one has the wisdom of the Gospel of Christ.James 4:11 Speak not evil one of another, brethren. He that speaketh evil of his brother, and judgeth his brother, speaketh evil of the law, and judgeth the law: but if thou judge the law, thou art not a doer of the law, but a judge.
James 4:12 There is one lawgiver, who is able to save and to destroy: who art thou that judgest another?
3John 1:2 Beloved, I wish above all things that thou mayest prosper and be in health, even as thy soul prospereth.====Psalm 112:3 Wealth and riches shall be in his house: and his righteousness endureth for ever. Psalm 35:27 Let the LORD be magnified, which hath pleasure in the prosperity of his servant.
Yes!!! God wants to bless His family with health and prosperity but you are free to reject the gifts of God and live poor and sick= your choice!
I don't agree with the Prosperity Message, but I do think some Prosperity Ministers do have a "gift of faith." They may get some amazing answers to prayer. But I think it's discouraging to some when they make a doctrine out of it, because it doesn't work for all. I thank God they're at least preaching the Gospel of Christ!
There is certainly a biblical basis for being prospered for our obedience, such as in the Law of Moses. Israel was promised blessings if they obeyed God's word.
So it's true that prosperity, of some kind, will fall upon those who are obedient in the covenant of Christ. I just won't say precisely what that blessing will look like. Christians sometimes suffer, as well. And it's my burden to strengthen them, so that they aren't disillusioned by it.
Do you not know that Jesus said we would always have the poor around us?
6 "But Jesus said, “Leave her alone; why are you bothering her? She has done a beautiful deed to Me. 7 The poor you will always have with you, and you can help them whenever you want. But you will not always have Me. 8 She has done what she could to anoint My body in advance of My burial.…"
Mark 14:6-8
There are 3rd world countries that have more faith than most of the Western world (ly?) has in the tip of a fingernail. I say that is because of their gratitude for the smallest of things. A kid in a poor country could be given an old plastic pop bottle and play with it, with glee, until it is shredded! Gratitude.
Sick?? Well YEAH, we ARE still in our mortal bodies...hello! "THINK" Why did not Paul just heal Timothy instead of telling him to take a little wine for his stomach issues?? Hmm. I am going to guess that you will come back with another one liner of the same that you always do. You only use a very small handful of scriptures and they are always the same.
Be grateful for what He has already given you! Why do you seek more??
You say that you are rich...
"17 You say, ‘I am rich; I have grown wealthy and need nothing. But you do not realize that you are wretched, pitiful, poor, blind, and naked. 18 I counsel you to buy from Me gold refined by fire so that you may become rich, white garments so that you may be clothed and your shameful nakedness not exposed, and salve to anoint your eyes so that you may see.…"
Revelation 3:17-18
And, re-read the poor widows mite story again...perhaps it might give you a wider range of scripture and reality.
…42Then one poor widow came and put in two small copper coins, which amounted to a small fraction of a denarius. 43 Jesus called His disciples to Him and said, “Truly I tell you, this poor widow has put more than all the others into the treasury. 44For they all contributed out of their surplus, but she out of her poverty has put in all she had to live on.”…
Mark 12:42-43
Who do you think was more righteous, the rich out of their abundance or the poor widow giving out of her POVERTY? I can tell you, it was NOT the Pharisees.
She obviously had faith that God would care for her needs no matter what. THAT is true faith in action. BTW- He does NOT bless us with money and things to consume on our selves, it is to be used for the furthering of His Kingdom. Be grateful for what He gives and does. This prosperity teaching is something I was caught up in in the early 90's. And let me tell you, how grateful that He answered my prayers for discernment.
We all need to remain teachable, no matter how long someone has been saved, it should not matter at all. God can use a child to speak to your heart/spirit. You can remain cemented in the very tiny area of well, basically only two doctrines...pre trib rapture and prosperity gospel, or you can seek ALL of Him diligently. Seek the giver, not the giving. He gives all the time! We say Wow and thank you Jesus! Gratitude is what our Father desires from us, rich or poor.
God want's us to seek "spiritual" things, not worldly things. He blesses as He sees fit, we do not demand things from Him.
God Bless and grow in Him
Do you understand this scripture????There is one thing in the entire universe that should be coveted by all, and that is wisdom. Sick, naked, poor, unattractive, destitute or alone, wisdom is the only thing that defines a man's purpose and worth. For even death bears no threat, when one has the wisdom of the Gospel of Christ.
You are misguided Gsyms, verging on depraved. Your worthless, subversive and incessant adoration of money, has and will, do more harm than good.
TY and Amen. Prayer for sure.this a wonderful spirit filled post I pray the OP eyes are opened by it,,I ask we all pray for his eyes to be opened
Oh, I'm sorry, I'm not suppose to denounce perverted doctrine, for fear that I may offend someone? Like I said GISMYS, you sound misguided and corrupt.Do you understand this scripture????
James 4:11 Speak not evil one of another, brethren. He that speaketh evil of his brother, and judgeth his brother, speaketh evil of the law, and judgeth the law: but if thou judge the law, thou art not a doer of the law, but a judge.
James 4:12 There is one lawgiver, who is able to save and to destroy: who art thou that judgest another?
3John 1:2 Beloved, I wish above all things that thou mayest prosper and be in health, even as thy soul prospereth.====Psalm 112:3 Wealth and riches shall be in his house: and his righteousness endureth for ever. Psalm 35:27 Let the LORD be magnified, which hath pleasure in the prosperity of his servant.
Yes!!! God wants to bless His family with health and prosperity but you are free to reject the gifts of God and live poor and sick= your choice!
Oh, I'm sorry, I'm not suppose to denounce perverted doctrine, for fear that I may offend someone? Like I said GISMYS, you sound misguided and corrupt.
believers that do not understand what God has for them.
Not the same god as yours, not even close. mammon and avarice is your god.Gismys= God is my source=Gismys!!! and you???
...and how he regards it, and puts it to use.
There is only one coveted item in all the universe, and that is wisdom. Gisysms has only shown to all of us, just how shallow and misguided that he is.
Not when he promotes this subversive corruption as Gospel. You're right about patience, but not about his condoning a drive or covetousness, for avarice and mammon. It is harder for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to find salvation. There should be no tolerance for his perverted views, only unless he was 12 or 16 years old, otherwise he should be old enough to know how offensive wealth, in its various forms, can be.Well the name it, claim health wealth and prosperity crowd are a blight but many of them are still family! We don't have to like them, but we do gotta love them!