Who was Job's accuser?

[amadeus]

What is UPC, United Presbyterian Church? One of the best fellowships I have belonged to was the Presbyterian Church of America, PCA. That was many years ago and the only reason I left was I moved out of state.

Stranger

No, UPC is United Pentecostal Church. They are a Oneness, Jesus Only tongue talking group that stands strongly against the trinitarian doctrine. I learned to read the Bible with them many years ago.

 

[amadeus]

very nice, A; His strength is perfected in weakness, but we go looking for the perfect congregation, or the perfect mate, or the perfect association, and we are scared to death of being perceived as not perfect, etc.

"Be perfect as I am perfect" is being taken literally, but of course we can hardly discuss this because it is Jesus i guess.

i guess you maybe meant to go a diff direction there, perhaps, sorry if i changed the subject here somewhat lol

No problem! Yes the perfection is Jesus, but perfection is to be defined by God rather than by man. God is looking for perfection in men's hearts rather than in everything that they do. All we have to do to understand that is look closely at David's life. What did the man do wrong? We can find a number of things in scripture, but he pleased God because of something in his heart. Was he perfect in the eyes of God?
David himself told his son what was needed:

"And thou, Solomon my son, know thou the God of thy father, and serve him with a perfect heart and with a willing mind: for the LORD searcheth all hearts, and understandeth all the imaginations of the thoughts: if thou seek him, he will be found of thee; but if thou forsake him, he will cast thee off for ever." I Chron 28:9

 

[bbyrd009]

Absolutely, and isn't that just an awful shame and a waste of a potentially beautiful relationship

from one perspective, yes, but we prolly shouldn't go about lamenting what isn't, in others no less.

 

[bbyrd009]

I don't disagree with what is written here, but how do you get out of that, that God will bring about a book we have to adhere to, as with the O.T.?

ah, well the Q was "Where does it say anything about the Spirit giving us understanding of the written Bible ?" so you have a diff question here, i guess. And it is unclear to me, who is anal about words; i dunno about "have to" there, i don't see God telling anyone, anywhere, that they "have to" do anything #1, and #2 the OT strikes me as a record of the failure of the law, iow adhere to the OT all you like--i do--but that is not sufficient. Neither is believing that Jesus came so we could ignore the law though, either imo.

 

[bbyrd009]

Yes, the Bible can bring someone to some knowledge of what has been written that He said and did, but then they are supposed to go on and call out for Him and have Him be, in their life, so they can KNOW Him...as well they can receive the gift and promise of our Father of His Holy Spirit, so even a person on a desert island can then have a living relationship with Him, and I can't think of a better place to have Him as a daily companion.

ha well now that i have said that, i will say that an essential component might be missing there, that being other people. Of course we can witness this "desert island" effect being practiced by many people nowadays; just get everyone out of your life, and then following Jesus is easy, right? lol

 

[bbyrd009]

Nothing I have said is contrary to Scripture.

are you sure? How would you know?
I notice a really effective method for this is to just put people on ignore if you can't answer their questions, fwiw.
The "desert island syndrome," i guess.

 

[bbyrd009]

No, I am just saying that is what God told me last night about mjrhealth's unbelief concerning the written Word of God. Are you saying it wasn't God?

of course that was not from God, you are strictly making stuff up now, and have repeatedly avoided going to Scripture to resolve this issue, right, despite many invitations.

 

[bbyrd009]

If it wasn't God, who was it?

you, satan, adversary, however you wanna put it

And how do you know it wasn't God?

because you will not--because you can not--consult Scripture to get any agreement on your pov, and you even have to put me on ignore to avoid seeing the truth.

Indeed, go on.

ty, by your leave then :)

Where did I say it wasn't God? What I asked for, was just the same you always demand....Back it up with scripture....

ya Stranger, back it up with Scripture

 

[bbyrd009]

Back what up with Scripture? The Scripture declares that the Bible is the Word of God. God didn't tell me anything contrary to Scripture. To believe the Bible is not the Word of God is contrary to what God has said in Scripture. Scripture speaks of repentance when one goes astray from God.

hmm, i guess this is where i came in. Stop changing the subject, and quote where the Bible say that It is Word already!

 

[bbyrd009]

The Scripture declares that the Bible is the Word of God.

lies

To believe the Bible is not the Word of God is contrary to what God has said in Scripture.

more lies

Scripture speaks of repentance when one goes astray from God.

deflection

So, Scripture is in agreement with all that God told me last night

and more lies. Have a nice day, and understand that i don't mean that you aren't forgiven for these, but it is you who will reap from them, ok.

If God told you something, then you should be able to verify it with the Book, and you cannot. obviously, as you are not even trying

 

[bbyrd009]

And, when you said 'let the real Jesus into your life' you indicated it was not God who spoke to me.

even if that was not...put as well as it might have been, the conclusion is valid. God did not speak to you, as can be demonstrated with Scripture, and i am ready when you are. I'll just hold my breath then, shall i lol

 

[bbyrd009]

OMEONE

i DIDN'T MEAN AMONG UNBELIEVERS...sADLY i MEANT AMONG BELIEVERS

believers, unbelievers, these are distinctions made up by church people, so that they may commend themselves to each other, imo;
satan is a believer, too!

Little children, let no one deceive you! The one who does what is right is righteous, just as He is righteous.

 

[bbyrd009]

God is looking for perfection in men's hearts rather than in everything that they do.

nice, well put. Good fruit comes from good trees. Even the perceived "sins"--emphasis on the perceived there, i guess?--of a pure heart are overlooked.

 

[bbyrd009]

"And thou, Solomon my son, know thou the God of thy father, and serve him with a perfect heart and with a willing mind: for the LORD searcheth all hearts, and understandeth all the imaginations of the thoughts: if thou seek him, he will be found of thee; but if thou forsake him, he will cast thee off for ever." I Chron 28:9

not sure how David would have characterized his actions where Bathsheba was concerned, in this light, and for whatever reason we are not really made privy to David's resolution there? Kind of a hmm thing, to me anyway

 

[amadeus]

not sure how David would have characterized his actions where Bathsheba was concerned, in this light, and for whatever reason we are not really made privy to David's resolution there? Kind of a hmm thing, to me anyway

David's reaction to his own sins was a readiness to pay the penalty for his sins, which he knew for either adultery or murder was death, but the prophet had heard from God on this:

"And David said unto Nathan, I have sinned against the LORD. And Nathan said unto David, The LORD also hath put away thy sin; thou shalt not die." II Sam 12:13

 

[bbyrd009]

David's reaction to his own sins was a readiness to pay the penalty for his sins, which he knew for either adultery or murder was death, but the prophet had heard from God on this:

"And David said unto Nathan, I have sinned against the LORD. And Nathan said unto David, The LORD also hath put away thy sin; thou shalt not die." II Sam 12:13

so then apparently lust, murder, and fornication are not considered "forsaking Him," at least in some essential way.

 

[amadeus]

so then apparently lust, murder, and fornication are not considered "forsaking Him," at least in some essential way.

I believe rather in the case of David that he was really willing to receive the prescribed punishment of death. God saw the true repentance in his heart and set aside the sin. Man does not do things that way, or rarely so. If a person is convicted of a murder in man's court system where the death penalty applies a reduction of his sentence because he repented to God would be unlikely. God can show more mercy than man.

 

[pia]

He is real; through the eyes of faith.

No, He is ACTUALLY real, whether people have faith in that or not, makes no difference to Him...He is the risen Christ, alive and very well indeed, and that's all I need to know...

 

[pia]

only you're just too busy to quote it right now, right

haha, good one !

 

[pia]

from one perspective, yes, but we prolly shouldn't go about lamenting what isn't, in others no less.

I guess