Who was Job's accuser?

[bbyrd009]

What I have a problem with is your hypocrisy. I have a problem with your phony method of interpretation.

imagine how we feel, lol.

But fwiw, i forgive you both, i'm a hypocrite too, so...

 

[bbyrd009]

Where does it say anything about the Spirit giving us understanding of the written Bible ?

6However, we do speak a wisdom among the mature,l but not a wisdom of this age, or of the rulersm of thisage, who are coming to nothing.n
7On the contrary, we speak God’s hidden wisdom in a •mystery, a wisdom God predestinedo before the ages for our glory.p
8None of the rulers of this age knew this wisdom, for if they had known it, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory.q
9But as it is written:

What eye did not see and ear did not hear,

and what never entered the human mind —

God prepared this for those who love Him.r, s

10Now God has revealed these things to us by the Spirit, for the Spirit searches everything,t even the depthsof God.u
11For who among men knows the thoughtsv of a man except the spiritw of the man that is in him? In the same way, no one knowsx the thoughtsy of God except the Spirit of God.
12Now we have not receivedthe spirit of the •world, but the Spirit who comes from God, so that we may understand what has been freely given to us by God.

and i guess i could develop that Scripture is given by God, if you like. There are supporting vv also.

 

[bbyrd009]

because of all the confusion it has brought.

how could a version of God's truth do anything less though, to someone separated from God?
i'm convinced that the undiluted truth would kill us.
imo the confusion was not brought, so much as illuminated. And you might note that Jesus never personally told you anything, you had to read it somewhere, right.

 

[bbyrd009]

He said it was a combination of "Words from God to man....words from man to God and words about God by man."

nice, imo. Nowhere are we told that the Scripture is the truth--that is "Word"--and in fact Scripture is quite clear that It will become corrupted by scribes, many places.

 

[bbyrd009]

yeah it's sad isn't it?

well, that is a perspective, yes, and it used to make me sad, until i realized that that was just another trap. I didn't mean that i never see Christ reflected in a church person, because that would not be true either. But that i just don't go looking for Christ there, iow in order to set myself up for disappointment.

 

[bbyrd009]

The bible has saved no one, it cannot, it does not have the power to save anyone

so you say, but imo if someone were to actually read the Bible without any biased help first, say on a deserted island or whatever, who knows.

 

[bbyrd009]

God never promised us a book

Exodus 19:5 Now if you obey me fully and keep my covenant, then out ...
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Now therefore, if you will indeed obey my voice and keep my covenant, you shall be my ... you will be My own possession out of all the peoples, although all the earth is Mine, ... And now, if ye really hearken to My voice, then ye have kept My covenant, and ... These are the words that you shall speak to the sons of Israel."…
Deuteronomy 12:28 Be careful to obey all these regulations I am ...
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Be careful to obey all my commands, so that all will go well with you and your ... Observe and hear all these words which I command thee, that it may go well with thee, .... Now, under the gospel, we have no temple or altar that sanctifies the gift but ... Whether we eat or drink, or whatever we do, we are commanded to do all to ...
Jeremiah 7:23 but I gave them this command: Obey me, and I will be ...
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This is what I told them: 'Obey me, and I will be your God, and you will be my people. ... and walk ye in allthe ways that I have commanded you, that it may be well unto you. ... Walk in all the ways that I command you so it will go well for you. .... 'Now then, if you will indeed obey My voice and keep My covenant, then you shall ...
Deuteronomy 28:2 All these blessings will come on you and ...
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"All these blessings will come upon you and overtake you if you obey the LORD ... and all theseblessings have come upon thee, and overtaken thee, because thou ... 1"Now it shall be, if you diligentlyobey the LORD your God, being careful to do ... "But did not My words and My statutes, which I commanded My servants the ...

 

[Helen]

@Stranger BTW... a bit late now..two pages back..

They were always saved by FAITH...we too are always saved by grace through faith.
Back then they did not "have" a bible account to check on.

Heb 11
Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.
2 For by it the elders obtained a good report.
3 Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.
4 By faith Abel offered unto God a more excellent sacrifice than Cain, by which he obtained witness that he was righteous, God testifying of his gifts: and by it he being dead yet speaketh.
5 By faith Enoch was translated that he should not see death; and was not found, because God had translated him: for before his translation he had this testimony, that he pleased God.
6 But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him."
...and all those is in rest of the chapter....were saved by faith in God...

Rom 1:20 "For since the creation of the world God's invisible qualities--His eternal power and Divine nature--have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse. "

 

[bbyrd009]

He promised us His spirit is that pathetic carnal mind wont have to try prove how smart it was and corrupt everything

how can i judge someone's fruit, if they are not put in a position (to produce some)? Wasn't "everything" already corrupted?

which is all christians do

"all?"

are you sure?

what teh heck do you think christans are arguing over on this and every other so called christians forum, teh bible.

and thank God for that

 

[bbyrd009]

Its all christians do, prefer the dead the written gospel to teh Living word Jesus Christ, and seem to find ever reason under the sun not to go to Him.

imo the problem is considering them Christians, not that the sword has revealed, that you may see.

fwiw if you just learn to forgive them, you might be saved.

but still the people are not listening

? why do you say this? Who convinced you of this lie? You are "people," aren't you? Even Pharisees are people, right?

Ears to hear, carnal ones cannot hear.

no kidding

PS. i dont interpret anything, i do not study the bible I have no cause to

i dunno, the Pharisee's Prayer might come in handy at some point, don't you think?

just very few are willing.

you are getting the irony here, i hope

 

[bbyrd009]

See, your method of interpretation is flawed. Indeed, believe what you wish.

Stranger

beliefs are a pimple on the forehead of understanding

 

[bbyrd009]

See how impotent your doctrine, your belief is. You can't answer simple questions. If you don't know how He did it, then how can you tell me that the Bible was not used? You alone, and those who believe like you are your own authority. It is what Jesus told you. And if one disagrees then they must be wrong. As I said, unhealthy and dangerous.

Stranger

but also completely understandable, in light of so many Bible thumpers assuring us what caliber Jesus would shoot, i guess

 

[Stranger]

@Stranger BTW... a bit late now..two pages back..

They were always saved by FAITH...we too are always saved by grace through faith.
Back then they did not "have" a bible account to check on.

Heb 11
Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.
2 For by it the elders obtained a good report.
3 Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.
4 By faith Abel offered unto God a more excellent sacrifice than Cain, by which he obtained witness that he was righteous, God testifying of his gifts: and by it he being dead yet speaketh.
5 By faith Enoch was translated that he should not see death; and was not found, because God had translated him: for before his translation he had this testimony, that he pleased God.
6 But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him."
...and all those is in rest of the chapter....were saved by faith in God...

Rom 1:20 "For since the creation of the world God's invisible qualities--His eternal power and Divine nature--have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse. "

Yes, we are always saved by faith. But faith needs something to believe. And that something is known by a message of some sort. (Rom. 10:17)

When you say, 'back then they did not have a bible', how far back is 'back then'? And if you go far enough back, if there is no written record, what is the method of the message given?

Stranger

 

[Helen]

Yes, we are always saved by faith. But faith needs something to believe. And that something is known by a message of some sort. (Rom. 10:17)

When you say, 'back then they did not have a bible', how far back is 'back then'? And if you go far enough back, if there is no written record, what is the method of the message given?

Stranger

Yes, faith needs something or someone to believe. It tells us in Heb 11 that "back then" Able offered his sacrifice "by faith." As did Noah build the boat ...
God was well able to speak to heart "back then" as He is now.
If you check with people , and I've even read it on this site...LOTS of us , including me...heard God speak and calling us in our hearts ..THEN we were given a bible or we bought our first bible.
I had never read a bible until after I prayed to God and as the saying goes....and-
"Asked Him into my heart and life.."

Bibles are wonderful for learning Gods plan for mankind, and how He led the ancient saint and unfolded His pattern and Divine Plan.
A bible doesn't save us...it's God's Holy Spirit speaks to us and prepares the hearts and draws us.
Each person's story is so different. He cannot put God in a box and say- " This is the only way that He does it, the only right way.."

 

[Stranger]

Yes, faith needs something or someone to believe. It tells us in Heb 11 that "back then" Able offered his sacrifice "by faith." As did Noah build the boat ...
God was well able to speak to heart "back then" as He is now.
If you check with people , and I've even read it on this site...LOTS of us , including me...heard God speak and calling us in our hearts ..THEN we were given a bible or we bought our first bible.
I had never read a bible until after I prayed to God and as the saying goes....and-
"Asked Him into my heart and life.."

Bibles are wonderful for learning Gods plan for mankind, and how He led the ancient saint and unfolded His pattern and Divine Plan.
A bible doesn't save us...it's God's Holy Spirit speaks to us and prepares the hearts and draws us.
Each person's story is so different. He cannot put God in a box and say- " This is the only way that He does it, the only right way.."

We are not told that God spoke to Able's heart and thus he knew to offer by faith. Do you not think Adam and Eve told both Cain and Able how to sacrifice. Or that God verbally told them how to sacrifice. Remember God spoke directly with Cain after he killed Able.

Noah received his word directly from God. Did he not?

Yes, the Spirit of God does move upon his people before they are saved. He moves them to search for Him. And He brings them to His written Word the Bible, so that they can learn of Him more.

No, Bibles are not 'wonderful things'. The Bible is the written Word of God. The only written Word of God that was ever given. Of course Jesus Christ saves. But that salvation is learned of and followed due to the written revelation of God given us in the Bible.

When God says you come only by faith in Christ, then someone says, no you can come another way, what do you say? You say there is only one God, one way, that is Jesus Christ. So to say there is only one way is not putting God in a box. Everyone's experience in coming to that place of salvation will be different. But that does not change the Bible as being the Word of God. And it does not change that the Bible is to be the basis for what we believe. Not just a spiritual voice I may hear.

Stranger

 

[bbyrd009]

You say there is only one God, one way, that is Jesus Christ.

forgetting that Christ is Spirit, and has "many names."

 

[bbyrd009]

No, Bibles are not 'wonderful things'.

um, yikes?

 

[bbyrd009]

But that does not change the Bible as being the Word of God.

In the beginning was the Bible, and the Bible was with God, and the Bible was God

 

[bbyrd009]

And it does not change that the Bible is to be the basis for what we believe.

Who is "we?"

and i never did get just what caliber you figgered Jesus would shoot, musta missed that post :)

 

[Helen]

Yes, the Spirit of God does move upon his people before they are saved. He moves them to search for Him. (* agree)
And He brings them to His written Word the Bible, so that they can learn of Him more.

No, Bibles are not 'wonderful things'. The Bible is the written Word of God. The only written Word of God that was ever given. Of course Jesus Christ saves. But that salvation is learned of and followed due to the written revelation of God given us in the Bible.

I can basically see that we agree...but I still find your quote above ridged. You are saying something that has not always been proved true in peoples lives and actual experience.
I think you are getting nit-picky Stranger...is not the written word of God a wonderful thing?
Why would you contend the point when I said the bible is a wonderful thing?

Yes, He will bring us to the written word..I already said that...
Some people are given bibles after the come to the Lord, and some go and buy one.

Now IF you are trying somehow to prove that no one is saved until they read a bible...then you will have a hard row to plough.
Start a new thread on how many on this site read a bible FIRST..(you will get the majority maybe) ..but many, many of us were drawn by the Lord before we had read the scriptures.
I was not drawn by the bible...maybe you were...but God does not always use the same tool for everyone....we are not all blobs, but individuals...
As for the rest of your post I don't see why you wrote it..

Everyone's experience in coming to that place of salvation will be different. But that does not change the Bible as the Word of God. And it does not change that the Bible is to be the basis for what we believe. Not just a spiritual voice I may hear.

Did I say anything different?

Helen