Who was Job's accuser?

[pia]

Yes He did. He said you need to repent of your unbelief and get right.

How have I called Him a liar? Can't He talk to me like He talks to you

Interesting, so you have done a complete 180 on this...So now by your own rules and demands of others, back up what you just wrote to David by scriptures......In relation to your last question....that is just it...YES of course He can talk to you as He talk to us, to anyone who is WILLING to come to Him in that way....However, He won't force it upon anyone, and would certainly never frighten anyone by it, so only those who are willing and open up to Him in that Way, as indeed He is The Way to The Truth and the Life.
So are you now also saying that it is a different Jesus you just heard from, since you claim that about me and 'mjr' ?
You are a very confusing individual and I would also encourage you NOT to be a stranger to Jesus, let the real Jesus into your life...That is where the True authority is and where the Truth is, and where the Love is and where the Life is......need I go on ?

 

[pia]

a big part of the strategy imo is to get Christ out of today, the herenow, however possible. Christ yesterday, Christ tomorrow, all those are fine. Christ inside a "church," an hour a week, reduced to religious observance, same thing, no problem.

Absolutely, and isn't that just an awful shame and a waste of a potentially beautiful relationship

 

[pia]

, but ty = "thank you"

thanks, I do not have chrome, and I had no idea one could look up all those abbreviations

 

[pia]

6However, we do speak a wisdom among the mature,l but not a wisdom of this age, or of the rulersm of thisage, who are coming to nothing.n
7On the contrary, we speak God’s hidden wisdom in a •mystery, a wisdom God predestinedo before the ages for our glory.p
8None of the rulers of this age knew this wisdom, for if they had known it, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory.q
9But as it is written:

What eye did not see and ear did not hear,

and what never entered the human mind —

God prepared this for those who love Him.r, s

10Now God has revealed these things to us by the Spirit, for the Spirit searches everything,t even the depthsof God.u
11For who among men knows the thoughtsv of a man except the spiritw of the man that is in him? In the same way, no one knowsx the thoughtsy of God except the Spirit of God.
12Now we have not receivedthe spirit of the •world, but the Spirit who comes from God, so that we may understand what has been freely given to us by God.

and i guess i could develop that Scripture is given by God, if you like. There are supporting vv also.

I don't disagree with what is written here, but how do you get out of that, that God will bring about a book we have to adhere to, as with the O.T.?

so you say, but imo if someone were to actually read the Bible without any biased help first, say on a deserted island or whatever, who knows.

 

[pia]

so you say, but imo if someone were to actually read the Bible without any biased help first, say on a deserted island or whatever, who knows.

We have always agreed that the Bible can BRING

 

[pia]

OMEONE

how could a version of God's truth do anything less though, to someone separated from God?
i'm convinced that the undiluted truth would kill us.
imo the confusion was not brought, so much as illuminated. And you might note that Jesus never personally told you anything, you had to read it somewhere, right.

i DIDN'T MEAN AMONG UNBELIEVERS...sADLY i MEANT AMONG BELIEVERS

 

[pia]

nice, imo. Nowhere are we told that the Scripture is the truth--that is "Word"--and in fact Scripture is quite clear that It will become corrupted by scribes, many places.

We need Him, all the time, and I am certain He did that on purpose, so we wouldn't fall too far away from Him, and start leaning on all our own thoughts and understandings, as well as what preachers and teachers have told us, instead of holding fast to Him and receive from Him or through His Holy Spirit, they will always be in 100% agreement, so it matters not

 

[pia]

so you say, but imo if someone were to actually read the Bible without any biased help first, say on a deserted island or whatever, who knows.

Yes, the Bible can bring someone to some knowledge of what has been written that He said and did, but then they are supposed to go on and call out for Him and have Him be, in their life, so they can KNOW Him...as well they can receive the gift and promise of our Father of His Holy Spirit, so even a person on a desert island can then have a living relationship with Him, and I can't think of a better place to have Him as a daily companion.

 

[Stranger]

Interesting, so you have done a complete 180 on this...So now by your own rules and demands of others, back up what you just wrote to David by scriptures......In relation to your last question....that is just it...YES of course He can talk to you as He talk to us, to anyone who is WILLING to come to Him in that way....However, He won't force it upon anyone, and would certainly never frighten anyone by it, so only those who are willing and open up to Him in that Way, as indeed He is The Way to The Truth and the Life.
So are you now also saying that it is a different Jesus you just heard from, since you claim that about me and 'mjr' ?
You are a very confusing individual and I would also encourage you NOT to be a stranger to Jesus, let the real Jesus into your life...That is where the True authority is and where the Truth is, and where the Love is and where the Life is......need I go on ?

How have I made a 180? I have always said the Spirit of God can move and speak to believers. Nothing I have said is contrary to Scripture.

No, I am just saying that is what God told me last night about mjrhealth's unbelief concerning the written Word of God. Are you saying it wasn't God?

If it wasn't God, who was it? And how do you know it wasn't God? Because God didn't say the same to him?

Indeed, go on.

Stranger

 

[pia]

How have I made a 180? I have always said the Spirit of God can move and speak to believers. Nothing I have said is contrary to Scripture.

No, I am just saying that is what God told me last night about mjrhealth's unbelief concerning the written Word of God. Are you saying it wasn't God?

If it wasn't God, who was it? And how do you know it wasn't God? Because God didn't say the same to him?

Indeed, go on.

Stranger

Where did I say it wasn't God? What I asked for, was just the same you always demand....Back it up with scripture....

 

[Stranger]

Where did I say it wasn't God? What I asked for, was just the same you always demand....Back it up with scripture....

Back what up with Scripture? The Scripture declares that the Bible is the Word of God. God didn't tell me anything contrary to Scripture. To believe the Bible is not the Word of God is contrary to what God has said in Scripture. Scripture speaks of repentance when one goes astray from God.

So, Scripture is in agreement with all that God told me last night about mjrhealth's need to repent and get right with God for His unbelief.

And, when you said 'let the real Jesus into your life' you indicated it was not God who spoke to me.

Stranger

 

[bbyrd009]

I have been very disappointed after receiving so much hope.

I was drawn by God to the UPC and at the first they all appeared so beautiful to me.
When many years later I was drawn by God to another unnamed [meaning they purposely carry no name] group I approached much more cautiously so as not to be so very disappointed again in what I thought I was seeing that was good.

What is good? Jesus said there is none "good" but one: God.

How well do we see Him? How well is His image reflected in us for others to see?

very nice, A; His strength is perfected in weakness, but we go looking for the perfect congregation, or the perfect mate, or the perfect association, and we are scared to death of being perceived as not perfect, etc.

"Be perfect as I am perfect" is being taken literally, but of course we can hardly discuss this because it is Jesus i guess.

i guess you maybe meant to go a diff direction there, perhaps, sorry if i changed the subject here somewhat lol

 

[tabletalk]

No there is only one Jesus who Himself is the Truth and He has explained to me that God is Light and only Light, there is no darkness where He is nor can there be...I am not doubting Isaiah, I just think something must have been lost in translation or some such thing...A true prophet of God would not have written down words from above which were not the absolute Truth, so something else must have gone wrong..I mean they did for one thing keep on and on copying these texts, as the material written on didn't last very long, it then got into the hands of the former gentiles in Rome who translated it into Latin, so there perhaps a mistake could have been made...
He has also shown me that in the Bible itself it explains that there is NO darkness in God at all, so it confirms what He told me anyway....
I'm really not bothered that you and a couple of others see it that way, since I'm not responsible for the way you choose to believe...i have passed on a few of the things He told me so far, and if you want to reject it, well that's entirely up to you, I'm certainly not going to twist anyone's arms, and as I have said before...there is no way for me to make Jesus real for you, only you can allow Him to do that in your life...But it seems you don't even believe that He is real, is that your problem?

"...But it seems you don't even believe that He is real, is that your problem?"

He is real; through the eyes of faith. You do not need faith, or hope, to follow your Jesus:

Romans 8: 20. "For the creation was subjected to futility, not willingly, but because of Him who subjected it in hope; 21. because the creation itself also will be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God. 22. For we know that the whole creation groans and labors with birth pangs together until now. 23. Not only that, but we also who have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, eagerly waiting for the adoption, the redemption of our body. 24. For we were saved in this hope, but hope that is seen is not hope; for why does one still hope for what he sees? 25 But if we hope for what we do not see, we eagerly wait for it with perseverance."

 

[bbyrd009]

they both quoted scripture who do you think had the authority?

they both acted within their authority, not to interrupt

 

[bbyrd009]

Yes, satan was wrong in using Scripture against Christ.

? wrong is your perception wadr, no where does Scripture say that satan was wrong

God told me last night that you need to study the Bible and consider it the Word of God.

yes, and don't bother to verify that with Scripture or anything else, just assume it is true, like everything else "God" told you, i guess?

You don't even understand what you are saying here, do you--over and above the fact that you cannot verify it as true, i mean; that part can be forgiven. Shall i quote what happens to false prophets who say that God told them stuff, Stranger?

Have you found something that you consider proof of this? Of course not, or you would have offered it. Dangerous ground there, imo.

 

[bbyrd009]

I know HE did not say it, and its because twice you have said HE said things you know full well he did not say. because that is not how Jesus is. You are being nothing but argumentative and digging yourself a hole. It was not "unbelief" that got me to see God. As i said before, dont be stranger to Him.

oic, ty

 

[bbyrd009]

Well, He was very clear. You are in unbelief concerning the Bible, His Word.

"i am scared to death of Word, because i cannot be perceived as knowledgeable or superior about it, therefore Book must be Word, or i am lost."

"God can only give me His Word, He will not give you His Word."

 

[bbyrd009]

Where did I say it wasn't God? What I asked for, was just the same you always demand....Back it up with scripture....

he can't, and he knows he can't. You know what God's Word is already, and it is pretty obvious i think.

 

[bbyrd009]

Back what up with Scripture? The Scripture declares that the Bible is the Word of God.

only you're just too busy to quote it right now, right

 

[bbyrd009]

Scripture speaks of repentance when one goes astray from God.

ok, we'll be waiting then