Why Christians Call Mary the Mother of God.

[Grailhunter]

If that's your position, then you've essentially affirmed the point I'm making. The person born of Miriam was not merely a human person. The person born of Miriam was divine.

Where we still disagree is your statement that Jesus is "a God."

Scripture repeatedly teaches that there is only one true God:

"Before Me no god was formed, nor shall there be any after Me" (Isaiah 43:10).

"I am the LORD, and there is no other; besides Me there is no God" (Isaiah 45:5).

If Yeshua is merely "a god," then we have more than one God, which creates a far greater problem than the phrase "Mother of God."

But setting that aside for a moment, you've already answered the central question:

You keep quoting Old Testament. Yes, there was one God in the Old Testament.
Three in the New Testament. To keep thing straight the Apostles would sometimes refer to Yahweh as God and Yeshua as Lord. But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him. 1st Corinthians 8:6 One God the Father and One Lord. Yeshua is not the Father.

If the person born of Miriam was truly divine, and if Miriam was truly His mother, then the historic title "Mother of God" is simply describing the identity of the One She bore. It is not claiming that Miriam created His divinity, existed before Him, or is the source of God's nature.

Again I explained this in post 13. God is a Divine title, not a name. We have God the Father and God the Son and God the Holy Spirit. Miriam is not the mother of Yahweh, she is not the mother of the Holy Spirit. She is the mother to one of the three Gods....so she is the mother of a God.

The real disagreement is whether Jesus is the one true God incarnate or merely "a god" alongside the Father.

Yeshua the one true God? Did someone demote Yahweh. Is He a janitor now. Who could have the authority to demote Yahweh? Did someone tell the Holy Spirit to go find another job?

 

[Moonwood]

You keep quoting Old Testament. Yes, there was one God in the Old Testament.
Three in the New Testament. To keep thing straight the Apostles would sometimes refer to Yahweh as God and Yeshua as Lord. But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him. 1st Corinthians 8:6 One God the Father and One Lord. Yeshua is not the Father.



Again I explained this in post 13. God is a Divine title, not a name. We have God the Father and God the Son and God the Holy Spirit. Miriam is not the mother of Yahweh, she is not the mother of the Holy Spirit. She is the mother to one of the three Gods....so she is the mother of a God.



Yeshua the one true God? Did someone demote Yahweh. Is He a janitor now. Who could have the authority to demote Yahweh? Did someone tell the Holy Spirit to go find another job?

The discussion seems to be drifting away from the original question.

The original issue wasn't whether there is one God or three, nor was it whether you interpret 1 Corinthians 8:6 differently than I do.

The original question was:

Who was Miriam the mother of?

Earlier you said:

"She gave birth to a person and that person was a full-fledged God."

And:

"Yeshua as a Man and Yeshua as a God are not separate, they are one in the same."

Those statements directly answer the question.

If Miriam gave birth to a person, and that person was divine, and His humanity and divinity are not separated into two persons, then I don't see how the title "Mother of God" can be dismissed on the grounds that She was only the mother of His humanity.

You may prefer to say "mother of a god" because of your understanding of the Godhead, but that is a different debate.

My point has always been much simpler:

Miriam was the mother of Yeshua.

Yeshua was not merely a human person.

Therefore Miriam's motherhood extends to the person Yeshua is, not merely to one aspect of His nature.

 

[Grailhunter]

I think that's exactly why I said you're closer to my position than you may realize.

You say:



And:



I agree with both statements.

So we've already established that Miriam gave birth to a person, and that this person was divine.

My point is simply that mothers are mothers of persons, not of abstract qualities or natures.

If Miriam gave birth to Yeshua, and Yeshua is one person whose humanity and divinity are not separate, then the title Mother of God is describing the identity of the person She bore, not claiming that She created His divinity or existed before Him.

Where we still disagree is your use of the phrase "a God" rather than "God." But that is a different debate.

On the original question, you've already affirmed the key point: Miriam gave birth to a person who was divine, and that person was Yeshua.

That's why I said you're much closer to my position than you may realize.

People have been play games with the word God for a long time.
Here is an interesting fact for you. They took Yahweh name out of the Old Testament and replaced it with the word God. Around 6,800 modifications to the scriptures, they should burn in Hell for that.
Actually, the Old Testament scriptures very seldom referred to Yahweh as God. Why. The word God is sort of a generic term in the Old Testament. The Hebrew word or God is the same as god. No distinction with capitalization to the word in the Hebrew. So God could refer to Yahweh or false gods.

 

[Grailhunter]

The discussion seems to be drifting away from the original question.

The original issue wasn't whether there is one God or three, nor was it whether you interpret 1 Corinthians 8:6 differently than I do.

The original question was:

Who was Miriam the mother of?

Earlier you said:



And:



Those statements directly answer the question.

If Miriam gave birth to a person, and that person was divine, and His humanity and divinity are not separated into two persons, then I don't see how the title "Mother of God" can be dismissed on the grounds that She was only the mother of His humanity.

You may prefer to say "mother of a god" because of your understanding of the Godhead, but that is a different debate.

My point has always been much simpler:

Miriam was the mother of Yeshua.

Yeshua was not merely a human person.

Therefore Miriam's motherhood extends to the person Yeshua is, not merely to one aspect of His nature.

Agreed.