Many Christians disagree on how we are saved. Some say we are saved by the sacrifice of Jesus, some say we are saved by works, some say God saves all, some say god picks who is saved, some say you choose to be saved etc. etc.
The issue of salvation should be clear and if it is not then why won't God clear it up?
It is clear, according to (Gods WORD).
Why worry about what "some say"?
Read what the Lord says in Scripture.
Christians cannot decide how to be saved how would I know how to be saved?
You, are not the same as EVERY other person.
Every person IN Scripture is NOT the SAME as you.
All of Scripture is True.
All of Scripture has an APPLICABILITY to every person.
You know who you are, Read the Scriptures.
If the Scripture APPLIES to you, Then you can discover what things DO or DO not APPLY to you. (According to God)...
Instead of "according to what umpteen things other people say".
The Bible teaches free will
Correct. Again "applicability".
Read a Scripture, more than a single passage, but rather like a chapter, to see the context of the situation.
They are examples.
Hey this guy did this, eh, I do the same kinds of things....See what the consequence (outcome) was for the man in the example.
Are you content with the consequence?
If so, continue doing the same.
If not, then don't do the same.
You have the free will to decide.
And if YOU find yourself to weak to change that desire / behavior... that is where the Lord has Offered, His Power to help you change, to having a different desire / behavior...
"IF" you really want it...
And
"IF" you are willing to BELIEVE and TRUST in the Lord.
(Another Free WILL choice of yours).
It is not complicated.
and predestination so I cannot even go to the bible to get a straight answer.
Predestination is not a complicated understanding.
God knows ALL things. You do not.
In short God already knows, what and when you will Freely choose. You do not.
You can freely change your MIND, moment to moment, day to day, year to year.
Point blank...your MIND is naturally Against God.
Your MIND operates naturally and logically.
If something you hear "makes sense logically", you will naturally believe it. If you hear something that does not "make sense", you will logically, reject it as being True.
If what you rejected can be "proven" to you, your MIND, will then "logically", change, and accept what you had rejected.
^ That is the dilemma of a disbeliever IN thee Lord God.
^ That is the bottom line search of a disbeliever IN Lord God.
That is why you are on a Christianforum.
Hey, it does not make Logical sense to you, so go have a Christian who believes, Logically prove to you, thee Lord God exists,
Aint' going to happen.
Just like it ain't going to happen, If I understand, "something" and you want me to help you understand it, when you don't even know the basics "about" the "something"...
And the dilemma is "mindboggling", because I can not "physically" SHOW you, sketch for you, or describe the physical aspects of the "something".
So how is it "my fault" that I am not saved?
Because, it is "your" free will to choose, or not.
Learn ABOUT God. Who He is, what is His desire, and why.
And then Decide, IF you "want" what He offers, or not.
IF, you want what God offers, there IS a way to Read Scripture, to learn how to be given what He offers.
If, you DO NOT, want what God offers, there IS also a way to Read Scripture, to ensure you will not be given what He offers.
Or you can DO nothing, and then say, why is it "my fault".
You have freewill. No one will force you to read, hear, learn, trust, believe, not believe...
Not God, not me, not anyone.
Thus, no one is at "fault" for what you do or do not do, but you.
Glory to God,
Taken