Why Civilization Should Defend Zionism
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Word games. Shows how weak the argument is against the 6 reasons in the OP to support Zion.
Truthnightmare
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I unblocked you hoping that a cool down would be good for us both. I can assure you that my arguments are not weak.
Word games… No language is important, it’s actually vital to scripture.
Note the following…
The word Massorah is from the root masar, to deliver something into the hand of another, so as to commit it to his trust. Hence the name is given to the small writing referred to, because it contains information necessary to those who trust the Sacred Text was committed, so that they might transcribe it, and hand it down correctly.
The Text itself had been fixed before the Massorites were put in charge of it. This had been the work of the Sopherim (from saphar, to count, or number). Their work, under Ezra and Nehemiah, was to set the Text in order after the return from Babylon; and we read of it in Neh. 8:8 (*1)(cp. Ezra 7:6, 11). The men of "the Great Synagogue" completed the work. This work lasted about 110 years, from Nehemiah to Simon the first, 410 - 300 B.C.
The Sopherim were the authorized revisers of the Sacred Text; and, their work being completed, the Massorites were the authorized custodians of it. Their work was to preserve it. The Massorah is called "A Fence to the Scriptures," because it locked all words and letters in their places. It does not contain notes or comments as such, but facts and phenomena. It records the number of times the several letters occur in the various books of the Bible; the number of words, and the middle word; the number of verses, and the middle verse; the number of expressions and combinations of words, &c. All this, not from a perverted ingenuity, but for the set purpose of safeguarding the Sacred Text, and preventing the loss of misplacement of a single letter or word.
Gabriel _Arch
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Others were slaughtered during the Holocaust. Not just Jews.
Gabriel _Arch
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The True Origin of Modern Zionism
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The Zionist fallacy of ‘Jewish supremacy’
Framing Zionism as Jewish and not white supremacy is a dangerous proposition.
Truthnightmare
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Ok…. In the Op your first point…
1) Zionism was the Foundation of Western Civilization
That immediately creates a problem…
In 1897, the First Zionist Congress was held in Basle, Switzerland. At this Congress, it was decided to work toward the establishment of a Jewish state and a search for land on which to build this Jewish state began. Great Britain offered the Zionists land in Africa. This the Zionists rejected: they wanted Palestine!
At the time, Palestine was inhabited by a half a million Palestinian Arabs and a few Palestinian Jews who are blood related and who had lived together in peace for centuries. With Palestine as their choice for a homeland, European Ashkenazi Jews began migrating to Palestine. As I explained earlier, most were communist/socialist oriented with some of them being radical Bolshevik communists whose aim is world domination.
Many believe the concept of western civilization began with Rome in some time after 700 BC
But regardless of this notion America was founded in 1776, over a hundred years before Zionism.
See the problem some might have?
I do not know how many truly my self.
We are not allowed to question that number. or else you will come under attack.
I thought that the numbers were BS myself because i know so many people who were related to Jews here when i was a child. because i was informed that the Government and Schools preached that Hitlers Nazis were on about getting rid of all of the Jews in fact, and if you questioned that, you got no answer ? like i asked so why did the Nazis not kill all of the people in the Camps ? before the Communist came hey ! so that's one issue that makes a lie out of the propaganda used regarding the Nazis ? I am still waiting for the answer ? Could of easy been done with an ax or knife ? if they were truly serious about such that we have been informed.
But hey a lot of all that Nazi stuff was held back and still is today from the people in fact nowadays, you are not allowed to look into such things or some moron will start ranting that you have no rights to such information !
They can not dig or look in many of the Nazi tunnels etc, it's all still no one has a right to seek into all such !
Having a Jewish sirname myself and tolled story from as young as i can remember by people who were in the War, inspired me to seek into such things as i always have my eyes open to all such things directly ! as i am not asleep to all such like most people truly are who have very little regard truly in fact, sure they will say claiming such things but when i start questioning them they have no true regard at all in fact, as it's not an education that they got but only a indoctrination on the subject that is not worthy past a 5yo level maybe ? but they will stand their as an authority on the subject, but they are mindless fools !
Prove to me that the Nazis tried to kill every Jew ? Fact is that they did not !
Many of the Jews went with the Nazis from the Camps running from the Communist ? Why did the Jews run from the Communist with the Nazis ?
I am open to anything regarding WW2 and i have found out that a lot that we were tolled was BS in fact ! Same with Vietnam just a lot of BS as well. Same with Ukraine and Israel nowadays is all smoke and mirrors with outright BS being peddled.
I seek to know things that are the truth as i do not just sit and swallow everything that the Media of Governments claim, for i know that they are not worthy of the truth in fact, like do political people lie ? to right they do and outright whopper lies at that all the time and nothing but lies, Can i hold my hand on my heart and say i have total faith in our Governments, No ! it's like a rats nest in fact ! Why would i totally believe such as them !
Not to mention if one questions the Jews of Nazis in any way you are claimed to be a Nazi or some load of nonsense coming from an idiot. for what they are truly trying to do is hide from the truth in fact ! So what if i am wrong, i am eager to understand the issues, but not to be fobbed off with stupid cunning tactics, i hate that.
Has our society got it all together ? hell no ! I am embarrassed for the future, that this generation has been so mislead by total moronic fools, i never thought that it would become to be this far depraved. They have not a hope in the world and another Hitler of Stalin could pop up out of the blue and most people would not have a clue what they have in store.
Truthnightmare
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Indeed… Here’s my position on the matter.
Since statistics relating to Jewish populations are not everywhere known in precise detail, and approximations for various countries differ widely, it is unknown exactly how many Jews were deported and interned at any one time between the years 1939 - 1945. In general, however, what reliable statistics there are, especially those relating to emigration, are sufficient to show that not a fraction of six million Jews could have been exterminated.
In the first place, this claim cannot remotely be upheld on examination of the European Jewish population figures. According the Chambers Encyclopedia the total number of Jews living in Nazi Europe in 1939 was 6,500,000. Quite clearly, this would mean that almost the entire number was exterminated. But the Baseler Nachrichten, a neutral Swiss publication employing available Jewish statistical data, establishes that between 1933 and 1945 1,500,000 Jews emigrated to Britain, Sweden, Spain, Portugal, Australia, China, India, Palestine and the United States. This is confirmed by the Jewish journalist Bruno Blau, who cites the same figure in the New York Jewish paper Aufbau, August 13, 1948. Of these emigrants, approximately 400,000 came from Germany before September 1939.
This is acknowledged by the World Jewish Congress in its publication Unity in Dispersion (p. 377) which states that: "The majority of the German Jews succeeded in leaving Germany before the war broke out." In addition to the German Jews, 220,000 of the total 280,000 Austrian Jews had emigrated by September, 1939, while from March 1939 onwards the Institute for Jewish Emigration in Prague had secured the emigration of 260,000 Jews from former Czechoslovakia.
In all, only 360,000 Jews remained in Germany, Austria and Czechoslovakia after September 1939. From Poland, an estimated 560,000 had emigrated prior to the outbreak of war. These figures mean that the number of Jewish emigrants from other European countries (France, the Netherlands, Italy, the counties of eastern Europe etc.) was approximately 120,000.
This exodus of Jews before and during hostilities, therefore, reduces the number of Jews in Europe to approximately 5,000,000. In addition to these emigrants, we must also include the number of Jews who fled to the Soviet Union after 1939, who were later evacuated beyond reach of the German invaders. It will be shown below that the majority of these, about 1,250,000, were migrants from Poland. But apart from Poland, Reitlinger admits that 300,000 other European Jews slipped into Soviet territory between 1939 and 1941. This brings the total of Jewish emigrants to the Soviet Union to about 1,550.000. In Colliers magazine, June 9, 1945, Feiling Foster, writing of the Jews in Russia, explained that "2,200,000 have migrated to the Soviet Union since 1939 to escape from the Nazis," but our lower estimate is probably more accurate.
Jewish migration td the Soviet Union, therefore, reduces the number of Jews within the sphere` of German occupation to around 3 and 1/2 million, approximately 3,450,000. From these should be deducted those Jews living in neutral European countries who escaped the consequences of the war. According to the 1942 World Almanac (p. 594) the number of Jews living in Gibraltar, Britain, Portugal, Spain, Sweden, Switzerland, Ireland and Turkey was 413,128. 3 MILLION JEWS IN EUROPE
Consequently a figure of around 3 million Jews in German occupied Europe is as accurate as the available emigration statistics will allow. Approximately the same number however can be deduced in another way if we examine statistics for the Jewish populations remaining in countries occupied by the Reich. More than half of those Jews who migrated to the Soviet Union after 1939 came from Poland.
It is frequently claimed that the war with Poland added some 3 million Jews to the German sphere of influence and that almost the whole of this Polish Jewish population was "exterminated". This is a major factual error. The 1931 Jewish population census for Poland put the number of Jews at 2,732,600 (Reitlinger, Die Endlosung, p. 36). Reitlinger states that at least 1,170,000 of these were in the Russian zone occupied in the autumn of 1939, about a million of whom were evacuated to the Urals and south Siberia after the German invasion of June 1941 (ibid. p. 50). As described above, an estimated 500,000 Jews had emigrated from Poland prior to the war.
Moreover the journalist Raymond Arthur Davies, who spent the war in the Soviet Union, observed that approximately 250,000 had already fled from German-occupied Poland to Russia between 1939 and 1941 and were to be encountered in every Soviet province (Odyssey through Hell, N.Y., 1946, p. 102). Subtracting these figures from the population of 2,732,600 therefore, and allowing for the normal population increase, no more than 1,100,000 Polish Jews could have been under German rule at the end of 1939 (Gutachen des Instituts fur Zeitgeschichte, Munich, 1956, p. 80).
To this number we may add the 360,000 Jews remaining in Germany, Austria and former Czechoslovakia (Bohemia-Moravia and Slovakia) after the extensive emigration from those countries prior to the war described above. Of the 320,000 French Jews, the Public Prosecutor representing that part of the indictment relating to France at the Nuremberg Trials, stated that 120,000 Jews were deported, though Reitlinger estimates only about 50,000.
Thus the total number of Jews under Nazi rule remains below two million. Deportations from the Scandinavian countries were few and from Bulgaria none at all. When the Jewish populations of Holland (140,000), Belgium (40,000), Italy (50,000), Yugoslavia (55,000), Hungary (380,000) and Romania (725,000) are included, the figure does not much exceed 3 million. This excess is due to the fact that the latter figures were prewar estimates unaffected by emigration, which from these countries accounted for about 120,000 (see above). This cross-checking therefore confirms the estimate of approximately 3 million European Jews under German occupation. RUSSIAN JEWS EVACUATED
The precise figures concerning Russian Jews are unknown and have therefore been the subject of extreme exaggeration. The Jewish statistician Jacob Leszczynski states that in 1939 there were 2,100,000 Jews living in future German occupied Russia i.e. western Russia. In addition, some 260,000 lived in the Baltic states of Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania. According to Loui Levine, President of the American Jewish Council for Russian Relief, who made a post-war tour of the Soviet Union and submitted a report on the status of Jews there, the majority of these number were evacuated east after the German armies launched their invasion.
In Chicago, on October 30, 1946, he declared that "At the outset of the war, Jews were amongst the first evacuated from the western regions threatened by the Hitlerite invaders - shipped to safety east of the Urals. Two million Jews were thus saved." This high number is confirmed by the Jewish journalist David Bergelson, who wrote in the Moscow Yiddish paper Ainikeit December 5, 1942, that "Thanks to the evacuation, the majority (80%) of the Jews in the Ukraine, White Russia, Lithuania and Latvia before the arrival of the Germans were rescued.
Reitlinger agrees with the Jewish authority Joseph Schechtmann who admits that huge numbers were evacuated, though he estimates a slightly higher number of Russian and Baltic Jews left under German occupation, between 650,000 and 850,000 (Reitlinger, The Final Solution, p. 499). In respect of these Soviet Jews remaining in German territory, it will be proved later that in the war in Russia no more than one hundred thousand persons were killed by the German Action Groups as partisans and Bolshevik commissars, not all of whom were Jews. By contrast, the partisans themselves claimed to have murdered five times that number of German troops.
Gabriel _Arch
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You all might find this helpful.
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The Original "No": Why the Arabs Rejected Zionism, and Why It Matters
The Original “No”: Why the Arabs Rejected Zionism, and Why It Matters - Middle East Policy Council
Natasha Gill Natasha Gill is the founder and director of TRACK4, which runs negotiation simulations for mediators, diplomats, journalists, policy makers, students and people directly involved in conflict. A viable peace process does not require either party to embrace or even recognize the...
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We seem to be at odds but you are not articulating the basis of your opposition to Zion other than express platitudes, like the Jews in Israel are not real Jews of the Bible AS IF this has any meaning.
Well, that's good.
To be honest, I don't want your assurance. I want your actual argument.
See, this is what I mean. You post things that really have nothing to do with the OP. Then you proclaim some kind of victory.
Let me get this straight. Because Massorah is from the root masar, to deliver something into the hand of another, civilization should not support Zion. Wow! That's your best argument?
From your article:You all might find this helpful.
The Original "No": Why the Arabs Rejected Zionism, and Why It Matters
The Original “No”: Why the Arabs Rejected Zionism, and Why It Matters - Middle East Policy Council
Natasha Gill Natasha Gill is the founder and director of TRACK4, which runs negotiation simulations for mediators, diplomats, journalists, policy makers, students and people directly involved in conflict. A viable peace process does not require either party to embrace or even recognize the...
The pro-Israel camp often traces the history of the conflict to 1947, when the Arabs said No to the UN partition plan, or to 1948, when the Arab countries said No by launching a war against the recently declared Jewish state.
Indeed, the war was launched the very next day after the Jewish State sovereignty went into effect.
1st, Calling Things By Their Proper Name is the Beginning of Wisdom (Buddha). It is an imprecise characterization of those in the region who oppose Zion as Arab. Iran is not Arab but Persian and lead the pack in sponsoring Islamic Jihadi terrorism. The language and customs of the Arab people have nothing to do with the issue at all. The driver is the ideology of Islam. From page 123 of The Politically Incorrect Guide to Islam and The Crusades):
In Islamic theology, if any land has ever belonged to the House of Islam, it belongs forever - and Muslims must wage war to regain control over it.
This is why Point #2 in the OP is so fundamental, Muslims deny the Right of Conquest for others. And if this right is not respected, it invites death until it is.
2nd, the Muslims lost the right to consent, to say no. After the world wars, Britain conquered the Palestinian area and had control over it. They decided through the UN to establish a 2-State solution in 1948. For non-Jewish Palestinians, Jordan and Iraq were created. For Jewish Palestinians, Israel was created.
3rd, Courting WW3 is not very smart. By not accepting the outcome of 2 world wars, including the establishment of a Jewish State in Palestine, Islamic Jihadi's are inviting World War I to resume. Call it World War 3 if you want, the battle of civilization, the battle of Armageddon.
4th, Security of Civilization. The Palestinian land was conquered 3 relevant times (see post #3, where point # 2 is expanded on) and Israel is now conquering Gaza for the 4th time. After 9/11 no one should think that if only Israel exchanged land for peace all would be well. The Islamic Jihadi's will just turn their attention to our back yard.
Per Exposing the role that Islamic jihad theology and ideology play in the modern global conflicts, there have been 44,349 Jihad attacks since 9/11.
Truthnightmare
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I responded to your OP, and it shows you to be in error…
You: Zionist created the pyramids.
Me: But Zionist weren’t around until long after the pyramids were created.
You: You play word games…..
Ok…. In the Op your first point…
1) Zionism was the Foundation of Western Civilization
That immediately creates a problem…
In 1897, the First Zionist Congress was held in Basle, Switzerland. At this Congress, it was decided to work toward the establishment of a Jewish state and a search for land on which to build this Jewish state began. Great Britain offered the Zionists land in Africa. This the Zionists rejected: they wanted Palestine!
At the time, Palestine was inhabited by a half a million Palestinian Arabs and a few Palestinian Jews who are blood related and who had lived together in peace for centuries. With Palestine as their choice for a homeland, European Ashkenazi Jews began migrating to Palestine. As I explained earlier, most were communist/socialist oriented with some of them being radical Bolshevik communists whose aim is world domination.
Many believe the concept of western civilization began with Rome in some time after 700 BC
But regardless of this notion America was founded in 1776, over a hundred years before Zionism.
See the problem some might have?
Truthnightmare
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My words surrounding the Massorsh was in response to you claiming I play word games.
Further more western civilization was not predicated on communism… another error in a long list of absurdities within your statements.
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Again, to show the weakness of the argument, you fabricate from whole cloth an absurd Strawman.
God was the 1st Zionist. God ordered the polytheist Abraham to settle in the the land 5,000 years ago. Millenia later, under the leadership of Moses and Joshua, God commanded the Jews (Hebrews if you prefer) to conquer Judea. This area was later called by the Romans "Palestine" (from the word Philistines who were long since gone). And conquer the land they did - and held the land for millennia, longer than anyone.
The OT is quote clear that Israel sinned over the millennia, were judged by God to be conquered and dispersed among the nations of the world. A prophecy of them being re-born in a single day was made about 600 BC as they were exiled from their land. This was fulfilled in 1948. No nation has such a story, such a right to the land as Israel, a right bestowed by God himself!
For some reason, you want to pick up the story beginning in the 19th century with Modern Zionism, from the influence Theodor Herzl. I've heard ridiculous allegations that the Jews who settled Israel in 1948 were not genetic Jews or some such nonsense forming a basis for them not being "real" Jews or the Jews of the Bible. It's true that Jews do not have many converts but this line of thought is unadulterated racism.
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Another Strawman. What I said is that Western Civilization was founded on Judeo-Christian religion and ethics.
Truthnightmare
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That would be incorrect also, as you cannot put old wine into new wine skins.
Christianity is all about Jesus Christ the belief He is Lord and savior, you dare suggest Judeo religion is connected to Christianity only shows your ignorance.
The Jews and there religion lead to them being removed from many Christian countries and regions. Why?
1). Their old (?!) custom of killing a Christian child to use his/her blood in their cakes (Haman's Ears) that they make on their holidays of Purim and Passover (this is referred to defensively by the Jews as the "Blood libel"
2). Their blasphemies against Jesus Christ and His mother Mary. (Too numerous to list―Jesus in hell boiling in hot semen, Mother Mary a whore, Jesus conceived in a state of Niddah [uncleanness―i.e., when Mary was menstruating, and after being impregnated by a Roman soldier in a brothel], etc. ad nauseam).
3). When their Talmud was translated into the native tongue and Christians (and others) read the vileness within it's covers. (condones pedophilia, Necrophilia [sex with the dead], child-sacrifice [Moloch], homosexuality, demon worship, etc. ad nauseam).
4). Their oppressive usury fees (money lent on interest), often escalating to 200%-400% interest when unchecked.
Here is a exhaustive list of there removals do to anti Christian principles.
Year and region where Jews
have been expelled since 250 A.D.
YEAR . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . PLACE
- 250 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Carthage
- 415 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Alexandria
- 554 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Diocese of Clement (France)
- 561 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Diocese of Uzzes (France)
- 612 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Visigoth Spain
- 642 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Visigoth Empire
- 855 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Italy
- 876 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Sens
- 1012 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Mainz
- 1182 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - France
- 1182 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Germany
- 1276 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Upper Bavaria
- 1290 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - England
- 1306 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - France
- 1322 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - France (again)
- 1348 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Switzerland
- 1349 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Hielbronn (Germany)
- 1349 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Saxony
- 1349 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Hungary
- 1360 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Hungary
- 1370 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Belgium
- 1380 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Slovakia
- 1388 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Strasbourg
- 1394 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Germany
- 1394 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - France
- 1420 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Lyons
- 1421 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Austria
- 1424 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Fribourg
- 1424 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Zurich
- 1424 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Cologne
- 1432 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Savoy
- 1438 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Mainz
- 1439 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Augsburg
- 1442 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Netherlands
- 1444 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Netherlands
- 1446 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Bavaria
- 1453 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - France
- 1453 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Breslau
- 1454 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Wurzburg
- 1462 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Mainz
- 1483 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Mainz
- 1484 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Warsaw
- 1485 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Vincenza (Italy)
- 1492 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Spain
- 1492 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Italy
- 1495 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Lithuania
- 1496 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Naples
- 1496 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Portugal
- 1498 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Nuremberg
- 1498 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Navarre
- 1510 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Brandenberg
- 1510 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Prussia
- 1514 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Strasbourg
- 1515 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Genoa
- 1519 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Regensburg
- 1533 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Naples
- 1541 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Naples
- 1542 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Prague & Bohemia
- 1550 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Genoa
- 1551 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Bavaria
- 1555 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Pesaro
- 1557 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Prague
- 1559 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Austria
- 1561 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Prague
- 1567 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Wurzburg
- 1569 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Papal States
- 1571 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Brandenburg
- 1582 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Netherlands
- 1582 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Hungary
- 1593 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Brandenburg, Austria
- 1597 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Cremona, Pavia & Lodi
- 1614 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Frankfort
- 1615 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Worms
- 1619 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Kiev
- 1648 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Ukraine
- 1648 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Poland
- 1649 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Hamburg
- 1654 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Little Russia (Beylorus)
- 1656 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Lithuania
- 1669 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Oran (North Africa)
- 1669 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Vienna
- 1670 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Vienna
- 1712 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Sandomir
- 1727 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Russia
- 1738 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Wurtemburg
- 1740 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Little Russia (Beylorus)
- 1744 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Prague, Bohemia
- 1744 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Slovakia
- 1744 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Livonia
- 1745 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Moravia
- 1753 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Kovad (Lithuania)
- 1761 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Bordeaux
- 1772 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Deported to the Pale of Settlement (Poland/Russia)
- 1775 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Warsaw
- 1789 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Alcace
- 1804 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Villages in Russia
- 1808 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Villages & Countrysides (Russia)
- 1815 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Lubeck & Bremen
- 1815 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Franconia, Swabia & Bavaria
- 1820 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Bremen
- 1843 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Russian Border Austria & Prussia
- 1862 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Area in the U.S. under Grant's Jurisdiction
- 1866 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Galatz, Romania
- 1880s - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Russia
- 1891 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Moscow
- 1919 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Bavaria (foreign born Jews)
- 1938-45 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Nazi Controlled Areas
- 1948 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Arab Countries
Truthnightmare
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Lol… Don’t have time at the moment… But your ignorance of what a Jew is can be quickly shown.
WHO WAS THE FIRST JEW ?
We know that Saul was the first king of Israel and that John was the first man called Baptist but who was the first jew? Neither Adam, Seth or Noah are called jew. Nor were Abraham Isaac or Jacob. Moses was not called a jew and neither were Saul, David or Solomon called jew. In fact you cannot find the word jew in the first eleven books of the Bible.
American Wisdom Series Note: This is the preacher refered to in pamphlet #1062 talking and thinking to himself, But, you look and look. You can’t give up. "Wasn’t Moses a Jew?The Bible doesn’t say so. You were sure it did. "The Book of Revelation-the 144,000?" They are all of tribes of Israel but the Bible does not call any of them Jews. It is today'sChristian church who call the Israeli from that little country in the middle east Jews. You find the word ‘Jew’appears for the first time in 2 Kings 16:6, where the Southern Kingdom are fighting the Israelites in the North.
II Kings 16:6 "At that time Resin king of Syria recovered Elath to Syria, and drave the Jews from Elath: and the Syrians came to Elath, and dwelt there unto this day."
"Jews" is stated here should have been translated"house of Judah", for the term "Jews" came out of the Babylonian captivity many years after this. Even though Ahaz and the house of Judah remained a nation, they did lose the city of Elath to the Syrians, and never recoved the land again. It is God that held the small nation of Judah together, even when their king was doing those wicked thing, all for the sake of His promise to David.
"Jews" is stated here should have been translated"house of Judah", for the term "Jews" came out of the Babylonian captivity many years after this. Even though Ahaz and the house of Judah remained a nation, they did lose the city of Elath to the Syrians, and never recoved the land again. It is God that held the small nation of Judah together, even when their king was doing those wicked thing, all for the sake of His promise to David.
Live Link to- Pamphlet #1062
You now understand that by Christ’s time the inhabitants of Judea —the Jews— were a mixed lot, most of whom Christ rejected. Yes, Christ's ancestry was of the tribe of Judah but, in those days no pure pedigree Israelites were called Jews, even if from the
tribe of Judah. Only foreigners who also lived in Judea were called Jews.
Isn't it interesting that we can read over five hundred pages of the bible before we find a jew anywhere yet those who call themselves jew today claim the first five books of the bible and call it there Torah.
Do you not find it very strange that those who claim to have written the first five books of the Bible and call themselves jew , can't find the word jew written in the book anywhere they call there own bible and claim to have written ?
Jesus Christ tells John in Revelation 2:9 "I know the blasphemy of them which say they are jews and are not but are the SYNAGOGUE OF SATAN ". We know that God changed the name of Abram to Abraham Gen. 17:5 and that God changed the name of Jacob to Israel Gen. 32:28 but no where in the Bible do we find where God changed the name of his chosen people Israel to jew! Therefore there is no authority by which those who say they are jews can claim to be Israel!
What did happen to the ancient Israelites ("The House of Israel) & much of ("The House of Judah")
The above reference is to the House of Judah, not the House of Israel. The House of Judah was taken to Babylon during the conquering of Jerusalem by Nebuchadnezzor in 586BC, 135 years after the House of Israel plus tens of thousands of Israelites/Jews (I suppose some of them could be called the real Jews, if they were indeed descendants of Judah, also from the House of Judah, but nowhere are they
called Jews, in the Bible) was captured by their Assyrian conquerors in 745-721 B.C. and taken captive and relocated below the Black and Caspian Seas. They were used by their Assyrian conquerors as a buffer state to ward off any advances by the Medes. Later, following the collapse of Assyria, theymigrating into western Europe and some of them on to the Americas. A word of caution: Don't confuse the two events, They are different, they happened 135 years apart, to two different nations, although both were nations made up of ancient Israelites.
The former "House of Israel" has today formed the nucleus of our Christian nations located in Europe and the Americas.While the former "House of Judah" after being heavily infiltrated by Kenites, way back in 586 B.C. have since been further infiltrated in 740AD when the Khazar ruler - and probably the greater part of the ruling classes - were converted to Judaism
Live Link to- Ancient Israelite migrations
Live Link to- KHAZARS
It is obvious the people we refer to as Jews today are even less representative of the ancient Israelite tribe of Judah, today, then they were when Jesus said to the Jews in John 8:44 "Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do"
So in 1948 that new nation we call Israel today, in the middle east, is really made up of some real Jews (the good figs) and allot of Kenite Jews (the bad figs). See Live Link to- The Parable of the Fig Tree
By the time of Jesus the word Edom or Edomite had been translated by Greek and Latin into ae-Ioudaios-Iudaeusalso including in this meaning were the terms Judea-Judean or person living in Judea. The original King James version of the Bible 1611 translated Idumaean - Judean into Iewes. It wasn't until the revised editions of the King James Bible, that the word jew appeared (after the year 1900 ). The word jew does not mean Israel or Israelite! We must therefore conclude that the first jews were Canaanite-Edomite-Hittite. It is certain according to the Bible that Khazar jews are not Israel. [From the Christian Guard Dispatch 76-77]
You don’t know the difference between a Judean, a Adamic, a Hebrew, a Jew, a Israelite, the house of Judah or the House of Israel.
You lump them all together as if your making gumbo.
Learn to rightly divide the word!
Truthnightmare
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Really, so with a statement like that you surely have some understanding of genetics or better stated genomes.
I have the DNA findings of modern day Jewry.. But why do I get the feeling you don’t know a darn thing about Y-DNA testing. As a matter of fact one would need to understand genetic isolates and At-DNA to even give a rebuttal based on the genetics regarding an isolated group of people. Bruh stop playing!
Moreover the Jews who you claim to be Biblical Israel, say they are not… Let’s begin here:
Strictly speaking it is incorrect to call an ancient Israelite a "Jew" or to call a contemporary Jew an Israelite or a Hebrew." - 1980 Jewish Almanac, P.3
There’s that
But what do modern day Jews say?
The people living in Palestine in the 20th century have no racial nor historic connection with Palestine and are, in reality, descendants from a Turko-Mongolian tribal people who created a kingdom called Khazaria which existed until the 10th century. These Khazarian "Jews" could just as easily have practiced Christianity, but for whatever reason they chose Judaism (Talmudic Pharisaism) and there is nothing that can be done about it.
Obviously, if these people have no racial, or historic connection with Palestine they have no claim to the promises made to Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob/Israel or the land known as "Israel" (Palestine) today. If this is true then there should be more evidence to support this position, and there is. The American People's Encyclopedia for 1964 at 15-292 records the following reference to Khazars:
Alfred Lilienthal writes, in "What Price Israel" (Henry Regenery Co., 1953):
This is now understandable from what Koestler revealed. The Jews fully understand their Khazarian heritage as the third edition of the Jewish Encyclopedia for 1925 records:
Remember these are Jews speaking…
Rabbi Ben Zion Bokser wrote in "Judaism and the Christian Predicament" (New York: Alfred A. Knopf, 1967) p. 59:
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