If you entangle yourself into Judaism, you are going to have to find some scriptures on how to be in two covenants and not violate one or the other.
Why do you feel it is so hard to be good?
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If you entangle yourself into Judaism, you are going to have to find some scriptures on how to be in two covenants and not violate one or the other.
Ferris Bueller
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I agree. That's why you should not view the law from the standpoint of a covenant between you and God like the Judaizers did/do. Use the law properly for the purpose it serves in this New Covenant...
"...the law is good if one uses it properly." 1 Timothy 1:8
"All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for instruction, for conviction, for correction, and for training in righteousness" 2 Timothy 3:16
Obviously, using the law to earn justification/salvation is an improper use of the law. That is what is forbidden. "All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for instruction, for conviction, for correction, and for training in righteousness" 2 Timothy 3:16
Ferris Bueller
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Ferris Bueller
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I think your problem with this is you think I'm an observant Messianic believer. I am not.
Ferris Bueller
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That's right. Because he didn't do away with the law.
But, surely, the law can be summarized and fulfilled in one law (Romans 13:9, Galatians 5:14, Leviticus 19:18).
Ferris Bueller
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I would be abandoning Christ if I relied on the law for justification, instead of relying on forgiveness in Christ for justification.
I am not relying on the law to be made righteous, so I'm not abandoning Christ.
Ferris Bueller
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It's not sacrilegious to recognize that some laws don't have to be literally fulfilled anymore (because they're already fulfilled forever) while some do.
Ferris Bueller
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You only have to literally obey all of them if you are seeking to be made righteous by the law.
There are many laws that are already forever fulfilled for me that I can't violate except by no longer believing in Christ.
But that is not the real problem. You and I have been discussing this for a while now. There has to be a desire....a want. You need to be honest with yourself....because Christ knows. There is nothing good that is lacking from the teachings of Christ and the Apostles that you would need to look at the Mosaic Law for. So it has to be something dark that you are attracted to.
So that is between you and Christ....so I am pretty much done with it.
Either way, I like you just done with the whole Mosaic Law topic.
Ferris Bueller
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Yes, there is:
Laws concerning sacrifices that we don't have to literally keep anymore (because those requirements are already fulfilled for us):
"...by one sacrifice he has made perfect forever those who are being made holy." Hebrews 10:14
Laws concerning how we treat one another that we still have to literally keep, because the obligation to do so never ceases:
"Let no debt remain outstanding, except the continuing debt to love one another, for whoever loves others has fulfilled the law." Romans 13:8
That's a division of the law: Laws you no longer have to literally keep/ laws you do have to literally keep.
Ferris Bueller
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Do you think Christ had a concubine? It was still legal....why not? .....I disagree with you and I am suspicious of the desire.
Ferris Bueller
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Which is exactly why the person who doesn't act is condemned. The absence of works is nothing more than unbelief. And no unbeliever has eternal life in him. If he was saved he'd have works of faith to show for it. The person who confesses Christ but does not work is not saved. The absence of works shows that he has no faith. He's an unbeliever. He is not saved. That's why the purposely sinning person living in sin is damned. He's not a believer.
Ferris Bueller
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A good approach to being a better person is to apply what you've learned in the bible. So we should be attending church and serving in projects with church members. I currently am out of the loop as I'm still looking for the right church. But fasting from food for a day is a good way to build self control. Prayer and fasting is also good for receiving miracles from God.
Ferris Bueller
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"...the law is holy, and the commandment is holy, righteous, and good." Romans 7:12
You're saying it's not.
You dont understand what I am talking about, and then you manage to Twist things anyway.....let me try to explain.....” ACTING” on a Promise Of God has NOTHING to do with doing anything “ Good”.....
God made a Promise to the enslaved Israelites in Egypt that if they would take the ACTION of slaughtering a lamb and put its blood on the lentils of their Doors——- HE would carry out a Promise and see to it that the Angel of Death would “ pass-over” their homes......there is nothing inherently/“ good” about smearing Blood on a Door.....It’s simply that God made a Promise with them and that if they would show
their TRUST in Him by doing what He said to do.....He would fulfill HIS end of the deal
Any Jews that did NOT smear that Blood would die...They would not die because the other Jews did a “good deed” and they didn’t......( God did NOT say “feed the poor” and the Death Angel will Passover you!) Nothing Of the sort.......It was simply a Condition That God laid out and you were given a chance to show God you had Faith.....That Faith would be rewarded with life and lack of Faith would invite Death.....
A Promise Of God CAN involve good stuff—— it just doesn’t HAVE to.....it's usually irrelevant....
The absence of works is nothing more than unbelief.
What a Stretch this is! And how Unbiblical it is....
What a Stretch this is! And how Unbiblical it is....
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