Why do you feel it is so hard to be good?

[Ronald David Bruno]

It is fun when people do not know me.
It is still blah blah blah......you believe that God determined if people are going to heaven or hell before the creation of the world, and their is no escape!?? Babies damned to hell. All of reality a puppet show. And for what???? to live as a robot in heaven too. A proud robot that can call itself the elect. How about the programmed? It is a joke! What would be the purpose for God? To watch flesh move around aimlessly.

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Well then Pinocchio, bla, bla , bla back at ya.

 

[Will Joseph]

Sell your daughters as sex slaves....concubinage.
Sell your daughters into polygamous relationships.

I'm happy these don't exist much anymore. But if they did, I definitely would avoid those markets. It's just full of diseases with price tags.

 

[Taken]

Why do you feel it is so hard to be good?
OP ^

I don't feel it is hard to be good.

 

[FHII]

Why do you feel it is so hard to be good?
OP ^

I don't feel it is hard to be good.

Yea Taken, neither do I. At least on the scale of human morals. And I don't think many on this board find it hard to be descent moral human beings.

 

[Philip James]

BE GOOD AND DO GOOD has become my slogan on this forum.
I feel like the Johnny Appleseed of be good.
Why has it come to this on this forum?.
Probably one of the most worth while discussion we could have.
I CONTEND THAT IT IS NOT THAT HARD TO BE GOOD!
I CONTEND THAT IT IS NOT THAT HARD TO LIVE A NEARLY SINLESS LIFE!
NOW PROVE ME WRONG!

The truth will set you free! Be honest.

Come to me, all you who labor and are burdened, and I will give you rest.

Take my yoke upon you and learn from me, for I am meek and humble of heart; and you will find rest for your selves.

For my yoke is easy, and my burden light."

Heya Grailhunter!

Pax et Bonum!

 

[Ferris Bueller]

What is drawing you to the Law?
The desire to be cursed?
The desire to live under a curse?

The law can't cause me to be cursed. For two reasons. One, I have the Ministry of Jesus always interceding for me in heaven, and two, He has given me His Holy Spirit through which I can keep His Commands that remain to be kept by us, summarized in 'love your neighbor'.

An affection for a ministry of death?
Things tied to an old agreement with God that did not provide salvation?

You mean things tied to an old agreement with God that did not provide salvation like 'love your neighbor as yourself', and 'do not show favoritism'? And last time I checked, those things don't provide salvation in this Covenant, either.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

Okay to do things....do you want to.....
Sell your daughters as sex slaves....concubinage.

I have no plans to do that, given I live in a western culture that does not practice that.

Sell your daughters into polygamous relationships.

Do you want multiple wives?

No, not in this New Covenant. Head Rabbi Jesus reversed Rabbi Moses' judgment allowing multiple wives/marriages for reason of hardness of heart because in this New Covenant we have tender hearts by the Holy Spirit.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

According to the Mosaic Law if a father sold his daughter off and she did not bleed on her first night with her husband, he had the right to kill her and leave her body at her father's door step

He would be a fool to do that because then we would need to kill him to satisfy the just lawful penalty for his capital sins. Best to just leave that matter to Christ's fulfillment of the death penalty for various sins. Jesus died the deaths required by the law and it's up to each of us, including our wayward children, to place our faith in God and have Christ's fulfillment of that penalty applied to our account. Not even the law requiring death was left unfulfilled by Christ.

Faith in Christ's Ministry and Sacrifice, and walking in the Spirit fulfills all the righteous requirements of the law. Faith does not leave the righteous requirements of the law broken and unmet, as the church seems to believe. He said Himself He did not come to destroy the law, but to fulfill it. It sounds like in your theology the coming of Christ means the law gets casts away and can be broken and unsatisfied.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

This is what the Judaizers wanted Christians (formerly gentiles) to do according to scriptures, to be circumcised and keep the law of Moses (Acts 15:5).

...to be saved. You can't leave that part off. That's the problem with the Judaizer's theology. Law keeping for them is for the purpose of being justified by that law keeping.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

if you do not do a precept or commandment of the law of Moses, do you consider that you have sinned and is guilty of not keeping the law or breaking the law?

Yes, because that's what the Bible says...

"If you really fulfill the royal law stated in Scripture, “Love your neighbor as yourself,”c you are doing well. But if you show favoritism, you sin and are convicted by the law as transgressors." James 2:8-9​

 

[Gospel Believer]

Oh no! What you are doing is betraying Christ. You are disobeying Christ. You cannot mix the Covenants and Christ explained that. There is nothing outside of Christ's Words that we need to do. It is the "to do" that gets you in trouble. The "works" of the Law that is what Paul spoke against....that is what Paul struggled against during his ministry. The Judaizer wanted Christian "to do" the Law. And Paul fought them tooth and nail. Read the outcome of the council in Jerusalem. Those "to does" were the only things agreed upon.
If you love them so much....convert to Judaism. Then you will have 613 Laws to deal with. Mazel tov!

God help me.....I find myself agreeing with Grailhunter!!?? Lol.....who woulda thunk it ? lol.....

Blood Bought 1953..... cant get anybody to help me with what my wife messed up.....that us why I am under the newer name ......don’t fret! The same astounding knowledge can be gleaned from either moniker.....lol....

 

[Ferris Bueller]

But that is not our religion....not our agreement with God.
You do not want to hold to a lesser covenant.

Right, the law is not our covenant with God, anymore. The argument is not being made that the law of Moses is our covenant with God. The argument is we uphold the righteousness of the law because that's what faith in Christ does. It obeys the commands of God. That has nothing to do with those commandments being our covenant with God. Christ is our Covenant with God, now.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

don’t fret! The same astounding knowledge can be gleaned from either moniker.....lol....

Oh, so your wife is going to start posting now?

 

[Ferris Bueller]

Define fulfilling.....it is mostly double talk.

God looks at you and sees no outstanding debt of law on your account. The debt is fulfilled, paid in full—circumcision, Sabbath requirements, Festival requirements, etc.

The only debt of law that remains outstanding for the believer in God is the continuing debt to love others (Romans 13:8). Obviously, you can never keep that law one time for all time like Christ kept the laws of Sacrifice for sin one time for all time. The command to love others is a continuing obligation of law. The debt of law to lover others is fulfilled by us when we walk by the Spirit in our faith in God. Faith fulfills all the righteous requirements of the law of Moses. And so it is in that way that faith upholds all the law of Moses.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

I'm happy these don't exist much anymore. But if they did, I definitely would avoid those markets. It's just full of diseases with price tags.

Only if someone in the polygamous relationship was unfaithful outside of the harem, before or after becoming a part of it. STD's don't spontaneously erupt among faithful partners. It has to come into the party from an outside source through unfaithfulness or prior fornication.

 

[Gospel Believer]

Right, the law is not our covenant with God, anymore. The argument is not being made that the law of Moses is our covenant with God. The argument is we uphold the righteousness of the law because that's what faith in Christ does. It obeys the commands of God. That has nothing to do with those commandments being our covenant with God. Christ is our Covenant with God, now.

The best way to keep the laws( not that they count a whit for Salvation) is to stop trying......I view the Bible NOT as a Book Of Rules But as a Book full of the wonderful Promises Of God.....Start ACTING on the Promises Of God and He will put His Spirit in you and with that Indwelling Spirit at work, you will “ Find Yourself” Doing a better job of Commandment Keeping than the biggest Jimmy Swaggert in town.....God DEMANDS FAITH ......Faith is not just Believing—— Faith is ACTING on those Beliefs....Practicing Faith will lead to Obedience because of the Spirit God gives you.....Practicing Law Keeping or trying to be Obedient May NEVER lead to True Faith—- the thing that actually saves a person....

It’s kinda like this .....my Daughter BELIEVES that Jets can fly.....she would not climb ABOARD a Jet if you paid her a fortune ......she will not show Faith in that Jet until she ACTS on her Belief.....

One can BELIEVE that “ Jesus Saves” but until they completely abandon all other “ ways” and step out in FAITH and Fully put their Salvation in HIS Hands ( and NOT your performance) , you have not showed the Faith that God is looking for...”Without FAITH( Acting on a Promise Of God ) it is IMPOSSIBLE to please God......

I got a little “off- subject” there, didn’t I? Lol.....who cares .....I got some good stuff out there.....haha....

 

[Will Joseph]

Only if someone in the polygamous relationship was unfaithful outside of the harem, before or after becoming a part of it. STD's don't spontaneously erupt among faithful partners. It has to come into the party from an outside source through unfaithfulness or prior fornication.

STIs/STDs can be acquired without sex sometimes. People can get hepatitis or hiv from recieving donated blood. Some people can get hiv after getting a haircut. Some wrestlers can get hpv. Some people get STIs from unclean hospitals. There seems to be no bound for the Lord's diseases. And when you lower the amount of sex partners, the chances of acquiring an STI/STD drops. Some government agencies advise a monogamous relationship, for avoiding STIs/STDs.

 

[Grailhunter]

The law can't cause me to be cursed. For two reasons. One, I have the Ministry of Jesus always interceding for me in heaven, and two, He has given me His Holy Spirit through which I can keep His Commands that remain to be kept by us, summarized in 'love your neighbor'.

You mean things tied to an old agreement with God that did not provide salvation like 'love your neighbor as yourself', and 'do not show favoritism'? And last time I checked, those things don't provide salvation in this Covenant, either.

Every law can be summarized. Christ did not do away with the 613 Mosaic Laws by summing them up.
You memorize the 613 Mosaic Laws, you write them down, you post them, if it is your intent to obey them...you have brought them into your religion and have abandoned Christ. Convert to Judaism if it is that important to you.

It is sacrilegious to God to divide up the Mosaic Law. Very serious sin that you are putting on yourself... again you are putting yourself in line for that great sin. If you are going to look at the Law....you know them or you have written down, a couple Laws that you are looking at, to obey....for one if you looking to the Mosaic Law to obey....you do not have a choice, you have to obey them all or you are in violation of them all. You will never find a scripture that says it is ok to divide up the Law.

Looking at things that are not technically the Mosaic Law....Walking that fine line, is it worth the risk? The phrase the Ten Commandments does appear in the New Testament. For a very good reason, the Ten Commandments, the Commandments that God called the Ten Commandments....are in chapter 34 of Exodus....and they are actually Mosaic Laws. When the Apostles mention part of the summary of laws in the New Testament they are part of the 14 summary of Laws in Chapter 20 of Exodus. They are not technically the stated Mosaic Laws. And they point out that they are in the teachings of Christ and the Apostles. But still even there you are picking and choosing which one of these summary of laws you want to observe....You are a Christian, do you even have a Sabbath and it is not on Saturday. Since you are on this forum I am going to assume you do not keep the Law regarding engraved images. And if you are married I am going to assume you do not consider your wife as property.

So now lets look at the curse. You say...The law can't cause me to be cursed.

Well you know Galatians 5:4 You have been severed from Christ, you who are seeking to be justified by law; you have fallen from grace. Now depending what Paul had in mind here...you could fall into that category. How he is using the word justified. Since he had such a struggle to keep the requirements of the Law out of Christianity....He had a big struggle with the Judaizers. He maybe drawing a line in the sand...Most scholars consider this as a very stern warning.

Deuteronomy 27:26: "Cursed is everyone who does not continue to do everything written in the Book of the Law." If you want to put yourself there, that is your fault. You are cursed if you do some---things in the Book of the Law

Galatians 5:3 And I testify again to every man who receives circumcision, that he is under obligation to keep the whole Law.

James 2:10 For whoever keeps the whole Law, yet stumbles in one point, has become guilty of all. And the curse of that is punishment.

Galatians 3:1-14 You foolish Galatians! Who has bewitched you? Before your very eyes Jesus Christ was clearly portrayed as crucified. 2 I would like to learn just one thing from you: Did you receive the Spirit by the works of the law, or by believing what you heard? 3 Are you so foolish? After beginning by means of the Spirit, are you now trying to finish by means of the flesh? 4 Have you experienced so much in vain—if it really was in vain? 5 So again I ask, does God give you his Spirit and work miracles among you by the works of the law, or by your believing what you heard? 6 So also Abraham “believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness.”

7 Understand, then, that those who have faith are children of Abraham. 8 Scripture foresaw that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, and announced the gospel in advance to Abraham: “All nations will be blessed through you.” 9 So those who rely on faith are blessed along with Abraham, the man of faith.

10 For all who rely on the works of the law are under a curse, as it is written: “Cursed is everyone who does not continue to do everything written in the Book of the Law.” 11 Clearly no one who relies on the law is justified before God, because “the righteous will live by faith.” 12 The law is not based on faith; on the contrary, it says, “The person who does these things will live by them.” 13 Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us, for it is written: “Cursed is everyone who is hung on a pole.” 14 He redeemed us in order that the blessing given to Abraham might come to the Gentiles through Christ Jesus, so that by faith we might receive the promise of the Spirit.

If you are using the Mosaic Law as a moral code....the Mosaic Law established that covenant so that would be your covenant with God. Those Laws when you break them are punished in this world, by the wrath of God.

Yes LOL LOL the Mosaic Law did say love your neighbor LOL But ya have to be really weary of that kind of of love....LOL
Mosaic Law....in one of their battles they brought back the captured women to Moses....he gets mad and tells them to separate out the virgins...they did that and killed all the non-virgins, leaving 32,000 virgins. In a culture that had 32,000 virgins, there were probably over 200,000 none virgins....over 200,000 women put to the sword, based on the status of their genitalia. We do not need that kind of love in Christianity

Thinking they deserved it?....well it does not get much better for Jewish women under the Mosaic Law.

 

[Grailhunter]

He would be a fool to do that because then we would need to kill him to satisfy the just lawful penalty for his capital sins. Best to just leave that matter to Christ's fulfillment of the death penalty for various sins. Jesus died the deaths required by the law and it's up to each of us, including our wayward children, to place our faith in God and have Christ's fulfillment of that penalty applied to our account. Not even the law requiring death was left unfulfilled by Christ.

Faith in Christ's Ministry and Sacrifice, and walking in the Spirit fulfills all the righteous requirements of the law. Faith does not leave the righteous requirements of the law broken and unmet, as the church seems to believe. He said Himself He did not come to destroy the law, but to fulfill it. It sounds like in your theology the coming of Christ means the law gets casts away and can be broken and unsatisfied.

Ya but your still walking a tight rope...trying to suggest that civil laws override God's Laws.

 

[Grailhunter]

Oh, so your wife is going to start posting now?

I am not married.