Grailhunter
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So you don't know how you observe the Saturday Jewish Sabbath?
Do ya just wing it!
Do you have an altar that you sacrifice on?
And what? Sheep? Neighborhood dogs and cats?
Why its important to keep the Sabbath
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So you don't know how you observe the Saturday Jewish Sabbath?
Do ya just wing it!
Do you have an altar that you sacrifice on?
And what? Sheep? Neighborhood dogs and cats?
A biblical dimwit is one who claims there is a Mosaic Law in the Bible;
A biblical dimwit is one who claims the Lord’s Day in favor of the Saturday Jewish Sabbath.
A biblical dimwit is one who claims he knows and understands the Mosaic Law.
Grailhunter
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How else is one going to keep their swine clean?
So you are acknowledging that keeping Saturday sabbath is a sin then???
David in NJ
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You caught on........................the house is on fire but nothing to worry about...........
Ronald Nolette
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That is their problem before god.But, the SDA home office doesn't see it that way
And what heresies and the biblical evidence did he hold to? You and behold and many others love flinging out accusations against brethren, but are woefully lacking in that pesky stuff called evicence. That is called sin.Spurgeon was a calvinist so.;.. he';s a heretic
Ronald Nolette
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So you do not know Scripture and are just spitballing then. Ok! Saturday Sabbath goes back millenia.
Which holocaust began in the mid forties to fifites and who is this mystery pope. I don't have a pope, but then again making false accusations has never stopped you from vomiting ad-hominems ever.
If someone like you had witnessed to me 50 years ago, I might not have gotten saved then. YOu are the epitome of how a Christian should not act.
Ronald Nolette
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Ronald Nolette
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So do you eat pork to abrogate gods words? Go through all 613 MOsaic laws (THAT THE TEN ARE PART OF) ANSD WRITE DOWN WHICH ONES YOU ABROGATE TO KEEP YOUR TRADITIONS.
I showed the verses that clearly say that teh Sabbath and circumcision are for Israelites alone as the sign of 2 covenantsa god made with the 12 tribes.
Once again yo0u are free to keep saturday Sabbath and not do normal labor if you choose, but if you judge others who are gentiles and do not- you sin.
Keeping the Sabbath, is equivalent to drinking the blood of Christ, and eating the Flesh of Christ - by being in the mind of Christ isn't it?
There are people who 'keep the sabbath', and 'see themselves' "over" other people for keeping it. That is not the mind of Christ is it?
There are people who 'keep the sabbath', and 'see themselves' "over" other people for keeping it. That is not the mind of Christ is it?
BlessedPeace
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I follow your sinning then? As you and that one who hunts the Magdalene by another tradition judge the Sabbath is only for Jews?
You repeat the same errors. You cannot see no matter how many of us speak of this fact in God's teachings.
The Sabbath pre-existed Jews/Hebrews,Gentiles, and the Mitzvah. And the 10 Commands of Moshe, Moses.
And as such you and those in accord with your mindset, set the living example of 1 Corinthians 2:14.
You have as such been , and shall remain, a great teaching tool for those in Christ. Amen, Lord. And thank you.
Grailhunter
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I follow your sinning then? As you and that one who hunts the Magdalene by another tradition judge the Sabbath is only for Jews?
You repeat the same errors. You cannot see no matter how many of us speak of this fact in God's teachings.
The Sabbath pre-existed Jews/Hebrews,Gentiles, and the Mitzvah. And the 10 Commands of Moshe, Moses.
And as such you and those in accord with your mindset, set the living example of 1 Corinthians 2:14.
You have as such been , and shall remain, a great teaching tool for those in Christ. Amen, Lord. And thank you.
You have been severed from Christ, you who are seeking to be justified by law; you have fallen from grace. Galatians 5:4
David in NJ
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The Holy Spirit teaches us Spiritual things of God = 1 Corinthians 2:13-16I follow your sinning then? As you and that one who hunts the Magdalene by another tradition judge the Sabbath is only for Jews?
You repeat the same errors. You cannot see no matter how many of us speak of this fact in God's teachings.
The Sabbath pre-existed Jews/Hebrews,Gentiles, and the Mitzvah. And the 10 Commands of Moshe, Moses.
And as such you and those in accord with your mindset, set the living example of 1 Corinthians 2:14.
You have as such been , and shall remain, a great teaching tool for those in Christ. Amen, Lord. And thank you.
These things we also speak, not in words which man’s wisdom teaches but which the Holy Spirit teaches, comparing spiritual things with spiritual. But the natural man does not receive the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; nor can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned. But he who is spiritual judges all things, yet he himself is rightly judged by no one.
For “who has known the mind of the Lord that he may instruct Him?” But we have the mind of Christ.
The Holy Spirit is the Author of Scripture = 2 Peter 1:19-21
And so we have the prophetic word confirmed, which you do well to heed as a light that shines in a dark place, until the day dawns and the morning star rises in your hearts; knowing this first, that no prophecy of Scripture is of any private interpretation, for prophecy never came by the will of man, but holy men of God spoke as they were moved by the Holy Spirit.
The Holy Spirit says the 7th Day of REST is CHRIST/GOSPEL = Hebrews ch4
Therefore, since a promise remains of entering His Rest, let us fear lest any of you seem to have come short of it.
For indeed the gospel was preached to us as well as to them; but the word which they heard did not profit them,
not being mixed with faith in those who heard it.
For we who have believed do enter that Rest, as He has said:
“So I swore in My wrath,
‘They shall not enter My Rest,’ ”
although the works were finished from the foundation of the world.
For He has spoken in a certain place of the seventh day in this way:
“And God rested on the seventh day from all His works”;
and again in this place:
“They shall not enter My Rest.”
Only the LORD Jesus Christ can give you REST = TODAY if you hear His Voice, harden not your heart
Brakelite
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Your first mistake was in calling the Sabbath Jewish. Did not Jesus state that the Sabbath was made for man? When did that happen? Before or after Abraham? Well before... At creation.
At creation, the Lord's Day was established and made for mankind. Although some would claim there weren't any men between the time of Adam and Sinai.
Brakelite
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Brakelite
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True.
Also true.
However, because a spirit is teaching you something that the scriptures don't speak of (we notice you cannot trust the spirit to teach us, so you have to elaborate on the last quote) then whatever spirit is teaching you isn't holy.
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BlessedPeace
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"...Although some would claim there weren't any men between the time of Adam and Sinai."
And some would say to that, if true,where did Cains wife come from?
Grailhunter
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Not a mistake. What is it not? It is not Christian. The Old Testament is not Christian. The Old Covenant is not Christian. The New Covenant is Christian. What would Paul say about it…the ministry of death, in letters engraved on stones…… Christ redeemed us from the curse of the Law.
What he did not say was that Christians should go to the Temple or observe the Sabbath. What he did say....Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day. You could say that the Sabbath is Hebrew….you could say that the Sabbath is Israelite…..you could say the Sabbath is Jewish….but you cannot say the Sabbath is Christian.
The phrase the Lord’s Day does not occur in the Old Testament, this is a Christian term. This is what people do when they try to mix Judaism with Christianity.
Christ warned not to do this .....16 “No one sews a patch of unshrunk cloth on an old garment, for the patch will pull away from the garment, making the tear worse. 17 Neither do people pour new wine into old wineskins. If they do, the skins will burst; the wine will run out and the wineskins will be ruined. No, they pour new wine into new wineskins, and both are preserved.” Matthew 9
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Grailhunter
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Grailhunter
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A little biblical background on the subject.
The first Christian council in Jerusalem occurred around 49 AD.
The reason: Judaizers were harassing Paul’s ministry to the Gentiles saying that they must be circumcised and required to keep the Laws of Moses. So the Gentile-Christians meet with the leaders of the Jewish-Christians to settle this matter.
Acts 15
5 Then some of the believers who belonged to the party of the Pharisees stood up and said, “The Gentiles must be circumcised and required to keep the law of Moses.” 6 The apostles and elders met to consider this question. 7 After much discussion, Peter got up and addressed them: “Brothers, you know that some time ago God made a choice among you that the Gentiles might hear from my lips the message of the gospel and believe. 8 God, who knows the heart, showed that he accepted them by giving the Holy Spirit to them, just as he did to us. 9 He did not discriminate between us and them, for he purified their hearts by faith. 10 Now then, why do you try to test God by putting on the necks of Gentiles a yoke that neither we nor our ancestors have been able to bear? 11 No! We believe it is through the grace of our Lord Jesus that we are saved, just as they are.”
12 The whole assembly became silent as they listened to Barnabas and Paul telling about the signs and wonders God had done among the Gentiles through them. 13 When they finished, James spoke up. “Brothers,” he said, “listen to me. 14 Simon has described to us how God first intervened to choose a people for his name from the Gentiles. 15 The words of the prophets are in agreement with this, as it is written:
16 “‘After this I will return
and rebuild David’s fallen tent.
Its ruins I will rebuild,
and I will restore it,
17 that the rest of mankind may seek the Lord,
even all the Gentiles who bear my name,
says the Lord, who does these things’
18 things known from long ago.
19 “It is my judgment, therefore, that we should not make it difficult for the Gentiles who are turning to God. 20 Instead we should write to them, telling them to abstain from food polluted by idols, from sexual immorality, from the meat of strangled animals and from blood. 21 For the law of Moses has been preached in every city from the earliest times and is read in the synagogues on every Sabbath.”
The Council’s Letter to Gentile Believers
22 Then the apostles and elders, with the whole church, decided to choose some of their own men and send them to Antioch with Paul and Barnabas. They chose Judas (called Barsabbas) and Silas, men who were leaders among the believers. 23 With them they sent the following letter:
The apostles and elders, your brothers,
To the Gentile believers in Antioch, Syria and Cilicia:
Greetings.
24 We have heard that some went out from us without our authorization and disturbed you, troubling your minds by what they said. 25 So we all agreed to choose some men and send them to you with our dear friends Barnabas and Paul— 26 men who have risked their lives for the name of our Lord Jesus Christ. 27 Therefore we are sending Judas and Silas to confirm by word of mouth what we are writing. 28 It seemed good to the Holy Spirit and to us not to burden you with anything beyond the following requirements: 29 You are to abstain from food sacrificed to idols, from blood, from the meat of strangled animals and from sexual immorality. You will do well to avoid these things.
Farewell.
30 So the men were sent off and went down to Antioch, where they gathered the church together and delivered the letter. 31 The people read it and were glad for its encouraging message. 32 Judas and Silas, who themselves were prophets, said much to encourage and strengthen the believers. 33 After spending some time there, they were sent off by the believers with the blessing of peace to return to those who had sent them. 34 (But it seem good to Silas to remain there). 35 But Paul and Barnabas remained in Antioch, where they and many others taught and preached the word of the Lord.
In the end this meeting defined the two groups the Jewish-Christians and the Gentile Christians. Which meant that the Gentile-Christians would not observe the Laws and customs of the Old Covenant---The Old Testament. Which also included not observing the Laws pertaining to selling their daughters into sexual slavery---concubinage. Nor observing the Laws pertaining to polygamy. The Old Testament Laws and customs pertained to the Jews and the Jewish-Christians observed some of the Laws and customs of the Old Covenant---Old Testament. None of which pertain to Gentile-Christians.
Today we still have Judaizers in our midst.
But to be a Jewish-Christian in order to mix Judaism with Christianity you have to be a Jew that converted to Christianity. That is not a common scenario today. For one we do not know how they were mixing it. Did the Jewish-Christians sacrifice animals in the temple? We know that some continued to practice polygamy because the Jewish converts to Christianity were not required to divorce their additional wives. Not so sure of the status of concubinage.
For the Jews there is a difference between the 7th day and the Sabbath. The word Sabbath does not occur in Genesis because Sabbath is more or less a Hebrew-Israelite-Jewish ritual or process that is defined by the Mosaic Law. And as such has to be observed in accordance to the process and restrictions set forth in the Mosaic Law….some of which would be difficult in our time. And some of which carries the penalty of death.
Passover is another matter because the Gentiles-Christians observed Passover in their own way which was connected to Christ’s resurrection and became known as Easter, but the Gentiles-Christians did not ritually slaughter the Passover lamb. Nor did they have the restrictions and customs or the Seder meal of the Jewish Passover.
The first Christian council in Jerusalem occurred around 49 AD.
The reason: Judaizers were harassing Paul’s ministry to the Gentiles saying that they must be circumcised and required to keep the Laws of Moses. So the Gentile-Christians meet with the leaders of the Jewish-Christians to settle this matter.
Acts 15
5 Then some of the believers who belonged to the party of the Pharisees stood up and said, “The Gentiles must be circumcised and required to keep the law of Moses.” 6 The apostles and elders met to consider this question. 7 After much discussion, Peter got up and addressed them: “Brothers, you know that some time ago God made a choice among you that the Gentiles might hear from my lips the message of the gospel and believe. 8 God, who knows the heart, showed that he accepted them by giving the Holy Spirit to them, just as he did to us. 9 He did not discriminate between us and them, for he purified their hearts by faith. 10 Now then, why do you try to test God by putting on the necks of Gentiles a yoke that neither we nor our ancestors have been able to bear? 11 No! We believe it is through the grace of our Lord Jesus that we are saved, just as they are.”
12 The whole assembly became silent as they listened to Barnabas and Paul telling about the signs and wonders God had done among the Gentiles through them. 13 When they finished, James spoke up. “Brothers,” he said, “listen to me. 14 Simon has described to us how God first intervened to choose a people for his name from the Gentiles. 15 The words of the prophets are in agreement with this, as it is written:
16 “‘After this I will return
and rebuild David’s fallen tent.
Its ruins I will rebuild,
and I will restore it,
17 that the rest of mankind may seek the Lord,
even all the Gentiles who bear my name,
says the Lord, who does these things’
18 things known from long ago.
19 “It is my judgment, therefore, that we should not make it difficult for the Gentiles who are turning to God. 20 Instead we should write to them, telling them to abstain from food polluted by idols, from sexual immorality, from the meat of strangled animals and from blood. 21 For the law of Moses has been preached in every city from the earliest times and is read in the synagogues on every Sabbath.”
The Council’s Letter to Gentile Believers
22 Then the apostles and elders, with the whole church, decided to choose some of their own men and send them to Antioch with Paul and Barnabas. They chose Judas (called Barsabbas) and Silas, men who were leaders among the believers. 23 With them they sent the following letter:
The apostles and elders, your brothers,
To the Gentile believers in Antioch, Syria and Cilicia:
Greetings.
24 We have heard that some went out from us without our authorization and disturbed you, troubling your minds by what they said. 25 So we all agreed to choose some men and send them to you with our dear friends Barnabas and Paul— 26 men who have risked their lives for the name of our Lord Jesus Christ. 27 Therefore we are sending Judas and Silas to confirm by word of mouth what we are writing. 28 It seemed good to the Holy Spirit and to us not to burden you with anything beyond the following requirements: 29 You are to abstain from food sacrificed to idols, from blood, from the meat of strangled animals and from sexual immorality. You will do well to avoid these things.
Farewell.
30 So the men were sent off and went down to Antioch, where they gathered the church together and delivered the letter. 31 The people read it and were glad for its encouraging message. 32 Judas and Silas, who themselves were prophets, said much to encourage and strengthen the believers. 33 After spending some time there, they were sent off by the believers with the blessing of peace to return to those who had sent them. 34 (But it seem good to Silas to remain there). 35 But Paul and Barnabas remained in Antioch, where they and many others taught and preached the word of the Lord.
In the end this meeting defined the two groups the Jewish-Christians and the Gentile Christians. Which meant that the Gentile-Christians would not observe the Laws and customs of the Old Covenant---The Old Testament. Which also included not observing the Laws pertaining to selling their daughters into sexual slavery---concubinage. Nor observing the Laws pertaining to polygamy. The Old Testament Laws and customs pertained to the Jews and the Jewish-Christians observed some of the Laws and customs of the Old Covenant---Old Testament. None of which pertain to Gentile-Christians.
Today we still have Judaizers in our midst.
But to be a Jewish-Christian in order to mix Judaism with Christianity you have to be a Jew that converted to Christianity. That is not a common scenario today. For one we do not know how they were mixing it. Did the Jewish-Christians sacrifice animals in the temple? We know that some continued to practice polygamy because the Jewish converts to Christianity were not required to divorce their additional wives. Not so sure of the status of concubinage.
For the Jews there is a difference between the 7th day and the Sabbath. The word Sabbath does not occur in Genesis because Sabbath is more or less a Hebrew-Israelite-Jewish ritual or process that is defined by the Mosaic Law. And as such has to be observed in accordance to the process and restrictions set forth in the Mosaic Law….some of which would be difficult in our time. And some of which carries the penalty of death.
Passover is another matter because the Gentiles-Christians observed Passover in their own way which was connected to Christ’s resurrection and became known as Easter, but the Gentiles-Christians did not ritually slaughter the Passover lamb. Nor did they have the restrictions and customs or the Seder meal of the Jewish Passover.
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