WW3: What Should/Will It Look Like?

[ewq1938]

No. That is the 2 Horned lamb like beast, that we know of today, ever since 1776. That Beast surely does "miracles" of making fire come down from heaven, and then tells the people of the world to MAKE an image to the 10H beast, of which THEY have. We know of it as being THE UN.
Remember, the angel in Daniel describes beasts as world ruling empires.

You aren't paying attention to what is written. The first beast only has a total of 42 months! The second beast rules the first beast which means he is limited to 42 months also. 1776 cannot apply to any of this.

 

[ewq1938]

The Prophecy of Revelation 6:12-17, does not mention this fire, but it does tell of the effects of this forthcoming hit upon the earth of a huge Coronal Mass Ejection.

No, it doesn't. Nothing of the sort is described just like there is no fire at all described. Teh sun will be darkened which means no light so no coronal ejection, just darkness.

Rev 6:12 When he opened the sixth seal, I looked, and behold, there was a great earthquake, and the sun became black as sackcloth, the full moon became like blood,

Just for those reading, blood can be many colors including black. It will be the same color as the sun, darkened (black) due to no light coming from the sun. No bright ejections of fiery plasma from the sun that doesn't harm people or things on the Earth when those things do happen and they happen semi regularly.

 

[Jack]

The Lord is going to clear and cleanse all of the holy Land. Deuteronomy 32:34-43, Zephaniah 1:14-18
All of His enemies, those who follow false religions and those who reject Jesus, will die on the Day He sends His fiery wrath, Amos 1 and Amos 2:1-5, Jeremiah 10:18 Jeremiah 12:14, +
Only a remnant of the people who live there now will survive; by hiding underground. Isaiah 29:1-4 The faithful Christians.

Rev 9:13-18 is the Sixth trumpet of the Great Tribulation, which will happen during the final 3 1/2 years before Jesus Returns.
But the Sixth Seal worldwide disaster will happen before the GT, of the 7 Trumpets and the 7 Bowls.
Many Prophesies, say that the Lord will send fire to destroy His enemies and to commence all the rest of the Prophesied end times. The Prophecy of Revelation 6:12-17, does not mention this fire, but it does tell of the effects of this forthcoming hit upon the earth of a huge Coronal Mass Ejection.

Israel is home to stay!

 

[Earburner]

No, any view that changes or denies the coming AC is the one that will fail the test and be deceived by the AC. How do you think the Apostasy happens?

The MoB shall be the cause for apostasy, aka the separation of the sheep from the goats.

 

[ewq1938]

The MoB shall be the cause for apostasy, aka the separation of the sheep from the goats.

No, the MOB comes after the Apostasy. That is causes by the AC saying he is God and Christians being unprepared to know to reject someone who will actually seem to be God. The MOB is the number of his name, marked on people and it will control buying and selling. They would have committed Apostasy prior to that.

 

[Earburner]

You aren't paying attention to what is written. The first beast only has a total of 42 months! The second beast rules the first beast which means he is limited to 42 months also. 1776 cannot apply to any of this.

1776 Is just a reference to when the 2H Beast officially came onto the world scene, having a form of government.

The first beast in Rev., as being the Roman Empire, was wounded by a sword, divided into the east and west empires, and since then is only known of by it's evolved status as being the Vatican, and that of Europe.

However, because it was only "wounded" and never died, it is still evolving incognito, and shall appear once again on the world stage, but through the Banking industry, with its Central Banks in EVERY country, except for those countries that use a currency from a support country that does have a Central Bank.
They are:

Country	Currency
Andorra	Euro
Kiribati	Kiribati dollar
Marshall Islands	United States dollar
Micronesia	United States dollar
Monaco	Euro
Nauru	Australian dollar
Palau	United States dollar
Panama	United States dollar
Tuvalu	Tuvaluan dollar

Countries without Central Banks 2023

If you have kept upto date (or may not know), the entire global banking industry is now entering into a new economic paradigm, through the use of Digital Currencies, with a Digital ID.

The vehicle of "selling and buying", on every level of human society (rich or poor), is going to be accomplished by "Central Bank Digital Currency" (CBDCs).
In other words, at the moment (but it could change), for only a temporary amount of time, and for a limited amount, CBDCs may be transferred into literal fiat currency (cash).
However, eventually, ALL cash will be eliminated and outlawed.

For the first time in all of man's history, there will be a world ruling and controlling empire, that has NO military if it's own, at all.
It will be a Global Economic Empire, that shall appoint ten countries for its protection.

 

[Earburner]

No, the MOB comes after the Apostasy. That is causes by the AC saying he is God and Christians being unprepared to know to reject someone who will actually seem to be God. The MOB is the number of his name, marked on people and it will control buying and selling. They would have committed Apostasy prior to that.

Sorry, you really have it backwards. The decision to take the mark, CAUSES one to be apostate!! Once the deed is done, there is NO turning back to God, or for one to even come to know God, in that state of being.

ALL should pay attention to what I have shown in post #146.
The MoB will be based on their New economic paradigm of digitized "invisible money".

 

[ewq1938]

1776 Is just a reference to when the 2H Beast officially came onto the world scene, having a form of government.

No, that is hundreds of years too early. The beast only exists for 42 months, then faces destruction by Christ. You aren't going by what scripture says.

 

[ewq1938]

Sorry, you really have it backwards.

I don't, you do. Rev 13 shows both beasts rising up before the MOB is issued. The Apostasy means to apostatize from one God to another which means the Apostasy happens because the AC claims to be God. It is AFTER that that the AC will issue a mark to his followers, many who had already committed Apostasy. Again you fail to adhere to the events scripture lays out.

 

[Keraz]

No, it doesn't. Nothing of the sort is described just like there is no fire at all described.

Over 70 other Prophesies do say that the Lord will send fire to destroy His enemies. Psalms 11:4-6

Israel is home to stay!

The wrong Israel.
Ezekiel 21:1-7 and Amos 2:4-5 are just two Prophesies that tell us how the current inhabitants of all the holy Land, will be removed, on the forthcoming Day of the Lords vengeance and wrath.

 

[ewq1938]

Over 70 other Prophesies do say that the Lord will send fire to destroy His enemies. Psalms 11:4-6

None are regarding the second coming or this fiery 6th seal worldwide disaster you always talk about, but that the actual 6th seal does not support in the slightest nor does any related scripture.

 

[Keraz]

None are regarding the second coming or this fiery 6th seal worldwide disaster you always talk about, but that the actual 6th seal does not support in the slightest nor does any related scripture.

So; when does Prophesies like Psalms 11:4-6 take place? It doesn't really fit with any of the GT events.

Flat rejection of the idea that the Lord will send a CME to literally fulfil all the graphically stated Prophesies about the Day of the Lords wrath, is not reasonable or sensible, as such a thing is known to be possible.

Revelation 6:12-17;
I watched as the Lamb broke the Sixth Seal, – At this moment a Coronal Mass Ejection will explode out from the sun. Isaiah 30:26, Malachi 4:1, Zephaniah 3:8, Jeremiah 23:19 Triggered by the attack onto Israel, as per Psalms 83, Psalms 11:4-6, Psalms 50:1-3, 2 Peter 3:7

There was a violent earthquake – The microwave effect of the short wave spectrum penetrates the earth’s crust, triggering worldwide earthquakes by tectonic plate movement. Haggai 2:6, Deuteronomy 32:22, Isaiah 26:18-20, Amos 8:8-9, Psalms 18:7

The sun turned black as a funeral pall – Acts 2:20 The approaching mass of the CME will obscure the sun. Joel 2:31, Amos 5:20

The moon became a red as blood – Joel 2:31 The superheated hydrogen plasma strikes the moon and causes a thermoluminescent reaction with the metallic oxides of the moon dust. As well as: the bright red reflection of the initial flash. Isaiah 30:26a

The stars in the sky fell like ripe figs – All our satellites crash to earth, this is a known effect of the pressure wave of a CME. Isaiah 34:4, Isaiah 28:2
The sky vanished like a scroll being rolled up – Our magnetosphere and atmosphere facing the sun are pushed aside by this multi billion ton pressure wave of superheated hydrogen plasma. Jeremiah 30:23, Isaiah 34:4, 2 Peter 3:7 & 10, Isaiah 51:6

Every mountain and island moved from their place – Tectonic plate movement caused by the microwave effect. Deuteronomy 32:22, Jeremiah 4:23-24, Habakkuk 3:6, Isaiah 13:13 Also may cause a magnetic pole reversal.

Everyone from high to lowly hid themselves – every person on earth will be terrified by what is coming and they scramble for cover. Ezekiel 7:15-19, Zephaniah 1:3 & 11, Luke 21:25-26

They called out: Hide us from the wrath of the Lamb – People will dive for cover and most will survive, as they see this disaster approaching. The main mass of a CME will take 24 - 36 hours to arrive on earth. Isaiah 2:19, Isaiah 28:21-22, Jeremiah 25:38, Luke 23:30

For the great Day of the Lord has come and who can stand? Deuteronomy 32:22, Ezekiel 7:7, Zephaniah 1:14-18, Joel 1:15.

This is the great Day of the Lord’s vengeance and wrath, prophesied over 100 times throughout the Bible, it is this terrible event that enables the establishment of a One World Government. But those who took heed of the warnings, Isaiah 26:20-21, took shelter and at the same time called to the Lord for protection, Acts 2:21, 1 Peter 1:5, Psalms 68:1-3, Joel 2:32 & 3:16 and will receive the great blessings the Lord has for His faithful Christian people.

 

[Earburner]

No, that is hundreds of years too early. The beast only exists for 42 months, then faces destruction by Christ. You aren't going by what scripture says.

The 4th beast with 10H of Daniel was the Roman Empire.
In Rev. 13, it is shown in its evolved state. Rev. 13
[1] And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.
[2] And the beast [of Rev.] which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion:
and the dragon gave him [the 10H beast] his power, and his seat, and great authority.
[3] And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast.
[4] And they** worshipped the dragon which GAVE power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him [the 10H beast]?

Now, for comparison, go to Daniel 7:1-8 and notice the description of the 4 beasts spoken of at that time.
Dan. 7:1-8
1st Beast- Lion- Babylonian Empire
2nd Beast- Bear- Medio-persian empire
3rd Beast- Leopard- Grecian Empire
4th Beast- "Iron" teeth/10H- Roman Empire.
All of the characteristics of the four beasts of Daniel, had conglomerated into the 1st Beast of Rev., it had EVOLVED.

** Who are "they" that worshipped the dragon, aka The Luciferian Doctrine?? (Please see below)

The 4th beast of Dan. never died, but dispersed and evolved into what is now Europe and the Vatican,
All of it, is the feet and ten toes of iron mixed with miry clay, being partly strong and partly broken, and today continues to come to nothing.
However, what has risen out of it to stay, is the Banking Industry of the Rothchilds in England, of which is now IN EVERY COUNTRY.

No one is able to "make war" against a Global ECONOMIC empire, that controls ALL THE MONEY IN THE WORLD!!

 

[Earburner]

So; when does Prophesies like Psalms 11:4-6 take place? It doesn't really fit with any of the GT events.

Flat rejection of the idea that the Lord will send a CME to literally fulfil all the graphically stated Prophesies about the Day of the Lords wrath, is not reasonable or sensible, as such a thing is known to be possible.

Revelation 6:12-17;
I watched as the Lamb broke the Sixth Seal, – At this moment a Coronal Mass Ejection will explode out from the sun. Isaiah 30:26, Malachi 4:1, Zephaniah 3:8, Jeremiah 23:19 Triggered by the attack onto Israel, as per Psalms 83, Psalms 11:4-6, Psalms 50:1-3, 2 Peter 3:7

There was a violent earthquake – The microwave effect of the short wave spectrum penetrates the earth’s crust, triggering worldwide earthquakes by tectonic plate movement. Haggai 2:6, Deuteronomy 32:22, Isaiah 26:18-20, Amos 8:8-9, Psalms 18:7

The sun turned black as a funeral pall – Acts 2:20 The approaching mass of the CME will obscure the sun. Joel 2:31, Amos 5:20

The moon became a red as blood – Joel 2:31 The superheated hydrogen plasma strikes the moon and causes a thermoluminescent reaction with the metallic oxides of the moon dust. As well as: the bright red reflection of the initial flash. Isaiah 30:26a

The stars in the sky fell like ripe figs – All our satellites crash to earth, this is a known effect of the pressure wave of a CME. Isaiah 34:4, Isaiah 28:2
The sky vanished like a scroll being rolled up – Our magnetosphere and atmosphere facing the sun are pushed aside by this multi billion ton pressure wave of superheated hydrogen plasma. Jeremiah 30:23, Isaiah 34:4, 2 Peter 3:7 & 10, Isaiah 51:6

Every mountain and island moved from their place – Tectonic plate movement caused by the microwave effect. Deuteronomy 32:22, Jeremiah 4:23-24, Habakkuk 3:6, Isaiah 13:13 Also may cause a magnetic pole reversal.

Everyone from high to lowly hid themselves – every person on earth will be terrified by what is coming and they scramble for cover. Ezekiel 7:15-19, Zephaniah 1:3 & 11, Luke 21:25-26

They called out: Hide us from the wrath of the Lamb – People will dive for cover and most will survive, as they see this disaster approaching. The main mass of a CME will take 24 - 36 hours to arrive on earth. Isaiah 2:19, Isaiah 28:21-22, Jeremiah 25:38, Luke 23:30

For the great Day of the Lord has come and who can stand? Deuteronomy 32:22, Ezekiel 7:7, Zephaniah 1:14-18, Joel 1:15.

This is the great Day of the Lord’s vengeance and wrath, prophesied over 100 times throughout the Bible, it is this terrible event that enables the establishment of a One World Government. But those who took heed of the warnings, Isaiah 26:20-21, took shelter and at the same time called to the Lord for protection, Acts 2:21, 1 Peter 1:5, Psalms 68:1-3, Joel 2:32 & 3:16 and will receive the great blessings the Lord has for His faithful Christian people.

Though all of what you biblically reference, shall take place on the earth, your theory of a CME is nothing more than "scientific reasoning" of what the Lord is of Himself, "a consuming fire". Heb. 12:25-29.

Please pay strict attention to KJV 2 Thes. 1:7-10, as well as Luke 17:28-32.
1 Thes. 2
[7] And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,
[8] In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:
[9] Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;
[10] When he shall come to be glorified in his saints, and to be admired in all them that believe (because our testimony among you was believed) in that day.

Luke 17:28-32
[28] Likewise also as it was in the days of Lot; they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they builded;
[29] But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.
[30] Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.
[31] In that day, he which shall be upon the housetop, and his stuff in the house, let him not come down to take it away: and he that is in the field, let him likewise not return back.
[32] Remember Lot's wife.

When is that day???
The answer is before you, in 2 Thes. 1:7-8, when He shall come in flaming fire.

 

[ewq1938]

The 4th beast with 10H of Daniel was the Roman Empire.

Nothing there matches anything about the Roman Empire, namely being defeated by God and the 3 first beast kingdoms existing after the 4th is destroyed.

Now, for comparison, go to Daniel 7:1-8 and notice the description of the 4 beasts spoken of at that time.
Dan. 7:1-8
1st Beast- Lion- Babylonian Empire
2nd Beast- Bear- Medio-persian empire
3rd Beast- Leopard- Grecian Empire
4th Beast- "Iron" teeth/10H- Roman Empire.

Did those first 3 empires live past the destruction of Rome? No, they didn't.


Dan 7:11 I beheld then because of the voice of the great words which the horn spake: I beheld even till the beast was slain, and his body destroyed, and given to the burning flame.
Dan 7:12 As concerning the rest of the beasts, they had their dominion taken away: yet their lives were prolonged for a season and time.

The 4th beast of Dan. never died, but dispersed and evolved into what is now Europe and the Vatican,

You have made up your own version of scripture. Actual scripture says the 4th beast was SLAIN, then his body destroyed. That's dead.

 

[Keraz]

When is that day???
The answer is before you, in 2 Thes. 1:7-8, when He shall come in flaming fire.

But that Day is not the glorious Return, when every eye will see Him.
Proved by 2 Thess 1:10, He will be revealed only to His own people.

 

[Earburner]

Nothing there matches anything about the Roman Empire, namely being defeated by God and the 3 first beast kingdoms existing after the 4th is destroyed.




Did those first 3 empires live past the destruction of Rome? No, they didn't.


Dan 7:11 I beheld then because of the voice of the great words which the horn spake: I beheld even till the beast was slain, and his body destroyed, and given to the burning flame.
Dan 7:12 As concerning the rest of the beasts, they had their dominion taken away: yet their lives were prolonged for a season and time.




You have made up your own version of scripture. Actual scripture says the 4th beast was SLAIN, then his body destroyed. That's dead.

Slain? Yes, upon the glorious return of Christ, in His Immortality. Prior to that, the 4th beast of Daniel, is shown in Rev. as the 1st Beast, but it had evolved. I showed how one can make the comparison, of how the characteristics of the previous beasts, are a conglomoration of what the 1st Beast in Rev. is.

Those "rest of the beasts", shown in Daniel, did have their world ruling dominion (ability) taken from them, and are symbolically seen in the 1st Beast of Rev. as being the "heads" (governments) in the beast.
For each of the 4 beasts, that once ruled the world in the past, the people with their culture, ethnicities and traditions are still with us.

I am making nothing up here, that would contradict the literal history of the 4th beast in the time of Daniel, and its evolving nature, upto today.

 

[Earburner]

But that Day is not the glorious Return, when every eye will see Him.
Proved by 2 Thess 1:10, He will be revealed only to His own people.

Do not be duped by the religious wisdom of men. 1 Cor. 2:5.
In KJV 2 Thes. 1:7-10, LOOK FOR the word "when" in my previous post #154. It is found in verses 7 and 10.
Then, under each of the two words of "when", take particular notice of action that is being taken.
Vs. 7 is destruction.
Vs. 10 is redemption.

So then, when is WHEN?
Vs. 7: when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,

EDIT: don't let Revelation interpret the gospels and epistles, but rather let the gospels and the epistles interpret Rev.

 

[Keraz]

EDIT: don't let Revelation interpret the gospels and epistles, but rather let the gospels and the epistles interpret Rev.

It is you who is confused and deceived. Jesus does not Return in fire. The corpses after Armageddon are not burned up.
2 Thess 1:6-10 does not describe the glorious Return, but an event before that. Namely; the Sixth Seal worldwide disaster by fire from the sun.
Proved by how Jesus is revealed to His own people, as He stands on Mt Zion, Revelation 14:1

 

[Earburner]

No, it doesn't. Nothing of the sort is described just like there is no fire at all described. Teh sun will be darkened which means no light so no coronal ejection, just darkness.

Rev 6:12 When he opened the sixth seal, I looked, and behold, there was a great earthquake, and the sun became black as sackcloth, the full moon became like blood,

Just for those reading, blood can be many colors including black. It will be the same color as the sun, darkened (black) due to no light coming from the sun. No bright ejections of fiery plasma from the sun that doesn't harm people or things on the Earth when those things do happen and they happen semi regularly.

Do you know why there will appear to be no light from the sun or moon?
The next time you are out in the sun, hold a candle or lighter flame upto the sun, allowing the ball of the sun to be it's background. Glance at it quickly, and you will notice that you will not see the flame of the candle or lighter.
Ans. The brightness of Jesus' presence in our atmosphere will eclipse both the brightness of the sun and the moon.
Mat. 17:2; Mark 9:3; Heb. 12:29.