Your thoughts on assisted dying?

[Mancunian]

I think what Jesus and the apostles thought. You’re not interested in what we think, and I’m okay with that. I just have to remember your frame.

Did Jesus ever threaten the none believers with the lake of fire?
I don't think so.
That was Paul.

 

[Matthias]

Did Jesus ever threaten the none believers with the lake of fire?
I don't think so.
That was Paul.

You aren’t interested in what Jesus and Paul thought. I’m sure you remember that the Bible says Paul was sent by Jesus.

 

[Mancunian]

I've read the Bible and I think that Jesus will be bitterly disappointed with you.

 

[Mancunian]

I've told you countless times that I think that Jesus was a good man.... Paul not so much.

 

[Matthias]

I've read the Bible and I think that Jesus will be bitterly disappointed with you.

I believe and obey Jesus. You don’t.

I don’t mind you expressing your ungodly opinions but what matters most to me - as you have seen and commented on - is what Jesus and the apostles thought.

 

[Matthias]

I've told you countless times that I think that Jesus was a good man.... Paul not so much.

Yes. I’ve heard you.

 

[Mancunian]

Yes. I’ve heard you.

And what do you think?
Corinthians is hard going when you've listened to Jesus, don't you think?

 

[Matthias]

And what do you think?
Corinthians is hard going when you've listened to Jesus, don't you think?

No. They’re united.

 

[Mancunian]

I believe and obey Jesus. You don’t.

I don’t mind you expressing your ungodly opinions but what matters most to me - as you have seen and commented on - is what Jesus and the apostles thought.

I don't think that Jesus' message has got across.
Too much time passed after the crucifixion for a clear and accurate account to be documented.
Mark? At least 30 years later.
John? Anything up to 85 years later.
And all the rest in-between.

I think that the single most significant event known to mankind would have been clearly documented at the time and not decades later.
The crucifixion and rising from the dead is the one crucial bit of information that the Bible should be clear about.

It isn't.

 

[Mancunian]

I won’t tell you. You’re not here to learn anymore. You can look it up in the Bible yourself to refresh your memory.

I've read it.

 

[Matthias]

I don't think that Jesus' message has got across.
Too much time passed after the crucifixion for a clear and accurate account to be documented.
Mark? At least 30 years later.
John? Anything up to 85 years later.
And all the rest in-between.

I think that the single most significant event known to mankind would have been clearly documented at the time and not decades later.
The crucifixion and rising from the dead is the one crucial bit of information that the Bible should be clear about.

It isn't.

I take it as an established and irrefutable fact that you aren’t interested in what Jesus and the apostles thought. With that in mind, I’m not surprised that you would think this.

 

[Mancunian]

No. They’re united.

No they're not.
Paul put his own spin on what Jesus said for his own reasons and to grow the faith. We see it all the time with modern day bloggers.

Paul invented the concept of eternal torture.

 

[Matthias]

No they're not.
Paul put his own spin on what Jesus said for his own reasons and to grow the faith. We see it all the time with modern day bloggers.

Paul invented the concept of eternal torture.

Maybe you’ve read it somewhere but I don’t think I told you what else I am besides a retired pastor and civil / environmental engineer: adjunct professor of theology.

 

[Mancunian]

Maybe you’ve read it somewhere but I don’t think I told you what else I am besides a retired pastor and civil / environmental engineer: adjunct professor of theology.

I have a lot of time on my hands and have spent a lot of time reading.
I'm not the sharpest pencil in the box but when it comes to the Bible I know what I'm talking about.

 

[Matthias]

I have a lot of time on my hands and have spent a lot of time reading.

That’s good. I’ve spent a significant amount of time reading, encouraging people to read, and tutoring young children who had trouble reading.

I'm not the sharpest pencil in the box but when it comes to the Bible I know what I'm talking about.

I’m qualified to evaluate and draw conclusions concerning what you say about the Bible.

 

[Mancunian]

Anyway......
Back to reality.
Is it possible that I might just be talking sense?
What is it that's stopping you all from agreeing that a dying person who is in pain with less than 6 months to live should have the choice to end their life?

 

[Mancunian]

That’s good. I’ve spent a significant amount of time reading, encouraging people to read, and tutoring young children who had trouble reading.



I’m qualified to evaluate and draw conclusions concerning what you say about the Bible.

And what's your conclusion about what I say about the Bible?

 

[Mancunian]

Did Paul invent the concept of eternal torture?
Yes or no?

 

[Mancunian]

Yes then. Jesus never threatened anybody with eternal torment.
Jesus was a good man.

 

[Mancunian]

Jesus used the word Gehenna.

Come on biblical scholars... Translate that.