As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten: be zealous therefore, and repent. (Revelation 3:19)
When we are born.
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As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten: be zealous therefore, and repent. (Revelation 3:19)
Let's keep it real.
You say, Progressive sancification, and, at least as you've explained things to me in the past,
God leaves us poor and blind and naked, His children, mind you, miserable and wretched, until we, His born again redeemed, until we can admit how miserable we really are, and stop lying to ourselves, and THEN Jesus will "really" come in, and we'll know, because we'll walk the streets healing with our shadow, and speaking great words of prophecy and power.
Have I got this wrong? Or is is this what you've said?
I say, we are born again a new and righteous child of God. And what you call "progressive sanctification" the Bible calls renewing the mind, which involves discipline, and discipling us. We learn His word, and we get to know Him. And as this happens God trains us to live as the new people we are. We work together with Him, being His children. He will never abandon us, being our Father.
You continually misprepresent my teaching.
I've just encapsulated it for you. Can you repeat my view back to me in your own words so I can know you understand it?
Much love!
Behold
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There are many types of spirits.
When we are talking about God, we are describing THE HOLY Spirit, or, as the NT explains, God is "A" Spirit. So, if you have a bad bible version, it'll say..>"God is spirit", instead of "A" Spirit. And why is that not correct? Because the Devil is also a spirit. He is THE UNHOLY Spirit.
So, if your bible does not say God is "A" Spirit. (John 4:24) then your "bible" makes no distinction between the Holy Spirit and the Unholy Spirit.
This matters.... so, in that case, get a real bible and put that one in the dumpster where it belongs.
So, God is A Spirit, who birth's a person's dead spirit ALIVE, and it becomes BORN AGAIN.
This born again Spirit is now "ONE with GOD and Christ", being born again INTO God's very SPIRIT.
So, that is a "child of God", as a child of God is the SPIRITUALLY BIRTHED "new Creation".
When We are not saved we are sinful and children of the Devil, when we are born again we have to put away those sinful mindsets and habits Before Jesus can manifest in us fully. This is the work of the Holy Ghost in us, not our work, it is a gift of the Holy Ghost, and one that you should earnestly seek for there is not only atonement for sin there but victory. Our blindness, and our nakedness and our wretchedness comes from our old man which we have to put off, in order to put on the new man. All I am saying is that this is a lifetime process not a one time deed. It is a Father showing his Love for His children by disciplining and rebuking them to show them that they are not a Bastard child. (Revelation 3:19)
If ye endure chastening, God dealeth with you as with sons; for what son is he whom the father chasteneth not? But if ye be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers, then are ye bastards, and not sons. Furthermore we have had fathers of our flesh which corrected us, and we gave them reverence: shall we not much rather be in subjection unto the Father of spirits, and live? For they verily for a few days chastened us after their own pleasure; but he for our profit, that we might be partakers of his holiness. Now no chastening for the present seemeth to be joyous, but grievous: nevertheless afterward it yieldeth the peaceable fruit of righteousness unto them which are exercised thereby. (Hebrews 12:7-11)
Do You understand what it takes for a fallen sinful Human to become a partaker in HIS HOLINESS? Partaker literally means to be made a partner of. None of us worthy of this, all of us are wretched in this respect, and this is why the awe of the Holiness of God is what is missing in your theology. I think that is about to change because I see he is now working in you.
From the others posts you have written here, it sounds like the LORD has been disciplining you of late, so I do not wish to press this further. You may not understand this in the terms that i do and will undoubtedly have your own language to express this, But suffice it to say, His discipline is a blessing as it is his love expressed for you, which comes from much prayer and supplication resulting from our conversations.
A word of warning: Beware of the devil's wiles, for he will attack you by befriending you, and praising you so that you get puffed up.
We have to be born into it. You can't get there from the flesh.
Being born into partaking of God's nature, don't mistake that you are still the wretch you were, and fail to walk in His Spirit. Understand what it means to be born of God, a new creation.
Much love!
The things you assume and broadcast of me!
What utter nonsense!
You obviously are so clouded by your misguide theology that you fail to see me in the slightest!
You need to understand, this is like, you are standing there telling me I'm a cornstalk! You haven't got a clue about me, and you reveal yourself to me in these comments.
Much love!
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Doesn't the Lord discipline you? Do you recognize God's discipline when you see it?
Don't think you know me. You don't. Make your graceful exit and go.
Much love!
Taking credit from God?
You seem to have a rather exalted view of yourself.
Your presumption is to me beyond the pale.
You truly don't have a clue!
Much love!
I've been in this time of discipline since 2007, And his presence has guided me the whole time.
Philosophical question for you, you need not answer online. You say you are complete in Him, but how can a mortal being such as we are recognize and understand what the fulness of an immortal God is? Would that not be us limiting God to our own mind and comprehension?
I Speak as the Holy Ghost leads me to speak. From your post entitled "The chastening that comes from God" I can see God is working in your life and if you see it that way, what I wrote you is a word of encouragement, not presumption. From that Post I know enough to come to that conclusion, which is an answer to prayer on my end. I would not be replying to you unless the Holy Ghost led me to reply to you. You do not know it yet, but you are on that journey that I speak of, and i can only praise God for working in you, I Had nothing to do with it, for I would not have bothered had not the Holy Ghost given me the unction and will to do so. All glory is His, and it is His work in you.
God Bless.
Who says??
Me? Or God?
Colossians 2:9-12 KJV
9) For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.
10) And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power:
11) In whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ:
12) Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead.
I really don't understand why you seem to have such a difficulty believing this passage.
Much love!
Then why try to stigmatize that I've been disciplined?
Nevermind . . . I think I know why.
This is non-sequitor. Two different things.
That would make the Holy Spirit as ignorant of me as you are, so, I have some incredulity about that.
Like I said, you are pretty much no different from someone standing in front of me, insisting with every breath, that I'm a cornstalk.
And really, HOW DARE YOU try to co-opt my openness about what God is doing in my life as if it provides some support for your erroneous doctrines! Oh! Getting chastised? Well!! God's bringing you around to my way!!
It never fails to amaze me what some people tell themselves, and just believe it!
Much love!
Given that you think your words are inspired, I'm not expecting you to hear 'me', only your mental version of me, so I'm going to leave you to discussions with yourself.
IF you wish to continue discussion with me, IF you convince me that you want to have a real discussion, great, I don't mind, but this isn't that, so, there is no need to continue.
Much love!
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Not at all, His gifts he has for us are limitless, Yet we want to limit them to our concept of what "complete" is. He will be eternally molding us into His image, and even then we will never be complete. He is the Potter we are the clay.
God Bless,
Non-sequitor.
First let's agree to believe the Scritpure which tells us that we are in fact complete in Him.
I really do not understand why you have such difficulty accepting this passage:
Colossians 2:8-12 KJV
8) Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.
9) For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.
10) And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power:
11) In whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ:
12) Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead.
Which parallels so well to:
2 Peter 1:2-4 KJV
2) Grace and peace be multiplied unto you through the knowledge of God, and of Jesus our Lord,
3) According as his divine power hath given unto us all things that pertain unto life and godliness, through the knowledge of him that hath called us to glory and virtue:
4) Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.
Let's first accept this is true, and then go on to discuss what that means.
Limit? I suppose you mean me, but that's an unfruitful comment.
Much love!
Thank you!
I know in my life, and it seems the same in quite a number of people I know, getting out of the performance based mindset by learning how fully we are made new, and how fully forgiven we are, and how fully protected we are, this allows us to actually live the life in Christ that we dream of living.
That's my take on things, anyway!
Much love!
I Do not have a problem with this passage, because this is the goal of progressive sanctification when understood in full context. I Have a problem with how you and others interpret this as saying "we are in need of nothing" That we have no need to pursue the fulness of Christ which from other passages of the writings of Paul is clearly not the case, Particularly Ephesians 4:11-17. Fulness comes when Christ is the head, when we "grow up into Him". I Honestly do not think you fully comprehend what this means? Read the entire chapter of Colossians 2 again, what is Paul Speaking of. It is about unity of the Spirit, and what Holds this back from us being "Knit together in Love unto all the riches of full assurance of understanding. We as Mortal humans have a hard time comprehending an immortal eternal God and the riches he has for us, what this means for me personally is that we need to totally rely on his providence, and submit ourselves to His will, not our own will. We have to learn to be like Christ and truly pray "nevertheless Not my Will but thy will be done" (Luke 22:42)
Get over it.
This is your projection.
You don't like my disagreement with your teaching so you persist in this fiction as if my trust that these words are true is to my detriment.
We are reborn completely new and completely righteous in Christ. We have to renew our minds because we don't normally think that way. In the renewing of the mind, we are trained to live the new person we are reborn as, and stop living the old man life.
Now. What did I say here. Tell me in your own words. Keep it simple. Let me know you at least understand what I'm saying. Because at every turn, it sure looks like either you don't understand, or you don't care.
Much love!
You DO have a problem with it, at least up to this point.
SO, let me ask you, in a simple yes or no question,
ARE you complete in Him?
Yes? No?
Do you believe the verse as written?
Much love!
Sorry about the two part comment....
When we the body are complete we will perform greater works than the Son of Man did. When the Apostolic church was of "one accord" the Spirit manifested on them in Power. This is the Final outpouring which many believe will be seen in the true church before the end occurs. Latter rain, The appearance of the sons of God, there are numerous terms for this final outpouring, But a big part of it is the whole of the Church Being Knit together in love. If you are Honest with yourself you know we as a church pale in comparison to the apostolic church in this department. You Know the Spirit is not moving in fulness amongst the church, let alone within our own lives. Deep down you know this is true, but do not know why this is the case. That is what I am hoping to open up to you, that you can begin to see why this is so. I am not saying my life is better, for we are all tied together.
