Once Saved Always Saved

[GracePeace]

It accurately describes the implications of the doctrine, not withstanding your high opinion of the practitioners.

I do not have a high opinion of their idiotic disrespectful mistreatment of Scripture but I do have a high opinion of God and the grace He gives them.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

@Corlove13
Christ is the faithful Israelite who God needed to fulfill His promises to Abraham and his descendants to bless mankind.

Yep. He inherits the blessing on behalf of Abraham and his descendants, the people of God.....us.

Abram said, “You have given me no children; so a servant in my household will be my heir.”

4Then the word of the Lord came to him: “This man will not be your heir, but a son who is your own flesh and blood will be your heir.” Genesis 15:3-4​

 

[kcnalp]

Why, was there in those scriptures that says that they have indeed cast out demons, prophesied, and done many wonders? Was there in those scriptures that tells is of it was the work of God that was performed through them? If there be any indication regarding that, can be found in v.23.

Tong
R3206

You didn't answer my question because it destroys OSAS!

"Are you really saying none of these "MANY" who did all these things in the Name of Jesus were NEVER saved?"

 

[MatthewG]

Saved to the kingdom of heaven, you are through faith in the Lord Jesus Christ along with justification by faith to have peace with God.

A believers promise from God to those who believe on the name of the Lord Jesus Christ ~ They receive eternal life ~ After dying here, they will go being resurrected with God (spirit body in my belief - you may think otherwise). Believers walk and produce fruits of love by and through Christ Jesus with-in them. Believers die to their fleshly ways ( mean - hate - devouring others - consuming others - fighting ) ~ in baptism with Christ Jesus and are renewed by resurrecting again being raised as Christ was raised from the grave. A believer reborn again as a believer in Christ Jesus as Lord and believe in their heart, are a born again Child of God by and through faith and trust in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ.

Can anyone in this world walk away from being a Child of God?

Can a person have something in their life come about and change their course?

For some ? From a small portion? Possible for all? ~ Do we have to stay in Connection with Jesus Christ, to remain in communication with God, and have access to pray and give thankfulness, and to pray for your loved ones, and those you know in your life?

Do we believe and just leave God alone or to we keep going to Him as believers?

Faith can grow weak over time, faith is heard and is seen by reading the word of God.

 

[Taken]

Then OSAS is a license to sin - and universalism is correct doctrine.

License to SIN....a man-made HOAX.
Every earthy man IS BORN a SINNER...
No License required!

*Learning ABOUT God;
....IS a choice of a man.
*ANY man LEARNING ABOUT GOD and Believing What he is LEARNING;
...Gods Spirit is "WITH" that man.
...Gods Spirit is "GIFTING" that man "WITH" measure of "FAITH".

*ANY man can CHOOSE to KEEP Hearing, KEEP Believing what he HEARS.....OR STOP Hearing, STOP Believing.....
* AND...the Spirit of God WILL NO LONGER BE "WITH" that man.
* AND..the Spirit of God WILL NO LONGER CONTINUR GIFTING that man WITH "Measures of Gods GIFT of FAITH".
* That man HAS "FALLEN FROM FAITH"!
* Many WARNINGS are given to men WHO ARE...Hearing, Learning, Believing....TO STAY THE COURSE![/B]

FOR the man WHO stays the course... continues hearing, continues believing, ....
He continues RECEIVING Measures of Gods Gift of FAITH.....

For the man WHO Continues Receiving Gods Gift of Faith (by continuing to Hear and Believe what he Hears)......HELLO...that man IS BEING PREPARED.... TO OPEN HIS MOUTH, and CONFESS his HEARTFUL BELIEF IN the Lord God .

* ONCE a man OPENS HIS MOUTH AND CONFESSES HEARTFUL BELIEF .
Do YOU NOT KNOW, that man IS FREELY SURRENDERING his LIFE (body, soul, spirit) TO: God's... Authoritative Controlling Power?

Do you NOT KNOW...it is Gods Power..."WITH and IN" that man, that;
That Changes that mans:
Body, soul, spirit....AND KEEPS the Changes CHANGED?

A man who is hearing, learning, believing....
BUT HAS NOT "CONFESSED Heartful Belief";
IS the man, that is Warned TO KEEP his Belief..... HELLO....his belief is KEET by his own willpower....BECAUSE GODS SPIRIT IS NOT "IN HIM"!

 

[Taken]

You didn't answer my question because it destroys OSAS!

You are on a Vendetta to Speak Against OSAS.....yet you have NOT ONCE given "your view" of what you think OSAS means....

You simply show yourself to be Against what you do not Understand.

 

[Taken]

Another words continue to be faithful

Faith-FULLNES...is a gift from God GIVEN TO men WHO "exercise their freewill" to become MADE CONVERTED, by the Power of God....
THEY ARE KEPT in Faith-fullness BY Gods Power "IN" them.

Men who are BELIEVING, BUT have NOT, "exercised their freewill" to "CONFESS their heartful Belief".... ARE NOT CONVERTED.
They DO NOT HAVE Gods POWER "IN" them.
"Their faith / believing / continuing IS by their own "power".... and they CAN fall away.

 

[kcnalp]

You are on a Vendetta to Speak Against OSAS.....yet you have NOT ONCE given "your view" of what you think OSAS means....

You simply show yourself to be Against what you do not Understand.

I do understand. You're being totally evasive of my question.

"Are you really saying none of these "MANY" who did all these things in the Name of Jesus were NEVER saved?"

Matthew 7:22 (NKJV)
22 Many will say to Me in that day, 'Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?'

 

[Taken]

I do understand.

You DO understand, OSAS?
Great, Explain what OSAS means.

 

[kcnalp]

You are on a Vendetta to Speak Against OSAS.....yet you have NOT ONCE given "your view" of what you think OSAS means....

You simply show yourself to be Against what you do not Understand.

You're using Left Wing Democrat tactics. You're accusing me of what YOU are doing. YOU are "on a Vendetta" to defend the unBiblical doctrine OSAS.

 

[Wrangler]

A man who is hearing, learning, believing....
BUT HAS NOT "CONFESSED Heartful Belief";
IS the man, that is Warned TO KEEP his Belief..... HELLO....his belief is KEET by his own willpower....BECAUSE GODS SPIRIT IS NOT "IN HIM"!

I was tracking with you until this. Please clarify.

 

[kcnalp]

You DO understand, OSAS?
Great, Explain what OSAS means.

How could you understand? God said you are without wisdom.

 

[Taken]

You're using Left Wing Democrat tactics. You're accusing me of what YOU are doing. YOU are "on a Vendetta" to defend the unBiblical doctrine OSAS.

Deflecting.

 

[kcnalp]

Deflecting.

"How could you understand? God said you are without wisdom."

 

[Taken]

I was tracking with you until this. Please clarify.

Gods Spirit IS "with" a man, who is hearing, believing what he hears. Not Converted.
Power for the man TO KEEP Gods Spirit "with" the man, is expressly by the man's "will power", to continue hearing and believing.

Gods Spirit IS "with and in" a man, who Surrenders his Life to God, (body soul spirit). Called Converted.
Power for the man TO KEEP Gods Spirit "with and IN" the man, is expressly BY Gods Power.
Gods Power with and IN a man, KEEPS that man Forever IN belief and faith-FULLNESS to God.

 

[Taken]

How could you understand? God said you are without wisdom.

Deflection.

 

[Grailhunter]

I really wish people would stop saying "OSAS is a license to sin".

It is 100% true that OSASers are not following a good line of Scriptural reasoning, but in many cases they have grace to live righteously--and A LOT more grace than many who reject OSAS.

Think about it. Surely you know that it is the responsibility of Christians to reject false doctrine. Particularly doctrines or beliefs that will lead innocent soul down the wrong path...a path that promotes sin within Christianity and leads people to hell. Our responsibility.

 

[Taken]

"How could you understand? God said you are without wisdom."

Deflection.
You said YOU understand OSAS, Yet refuse to explain what YOU claim you understand.

 

[MatthewG]

I do understand. You're being totally evasive of my question.

"Are you really saying none of these "MANY" who did all these things in the Name of Jesus were NEVER saved?"

Matthew 7:22 (NKJV)
22 Many will say to Me in that day, 'Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?'

Hello, Kcnalp


So many people are afraid of this scripture : Matthew 7:22 - Many will say to me in that day ' Lord, Lord have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?

Many people are afraid of this scripture. They do not desire to be caught doing anything unworthy, or that they desire to live as good as a life they can so they will be found worthy to come in and to be with God and Jesus Christ.

To me it seems that if people believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and have had a born again experience in life, and are transformed in the image of Christ, by and through faith by God renewing the mind and heart and writing the laws on a persons heart by and through the spirit given which produces fruits of love. Believers have had their sins paid for, and have had their life changed around by the spirit from the old person they once where, into the new identity in Christ Jesus by living in the spirit.

You know there will be many people in this earth who believe in this life in God and Jesus Christ, and something happens in that individuals life that they walk away from God, and Jesus Christ even after having heard the good news and once believed.

There are so many things but one thing is true, those who make the choice to believe in God, and continue to believe even through ups and downs of suffering for the sake of Christ ~ and living by the spirit and dying to our flesh (Galatians 5) makes a huge difference the more closer a person has a relationship with God.

I could be wrong though.

 

[kcnalp]

Deflection.

Are you a Democrat? That's what they do, accuse others of exactly what they do.