Once Saved Always Saved

[kcnalp]

To my knowledge, nobody gave me the power to determine who believes and who doesn’t....it’s all up to God....


The story of Lydia, the Seller Of Purple , illustrates what happens—- the Gospel is preached, but it takes God to “ open the heart” of the listener that goes on to believe it....If you have a problem with this , take it up with God—- not me....BB does not open hearts nor does he close them....no matter what he says the consequences might be...nobody is saying, “ well, I think I will become an Unbeliever now because BB said I might not go to Hell because of it”..... get real ....

And you believe unbelievers will go to Heaven.

"Well it's great that you say I can NEVER be unsaved if I'm wrong. Wish I could say the same about you."

 

[Taken]

Pure manmade invention contrary to Matthew 7:21. I sense a duality regarding WITH compared to IN.

No, "with and in" is not contrary to Matt 7.
Matt 7 is speaking of men who DO the will of the Father.

First you would have to KNOW what IS the WILL of the Father.
TO KNOW THAT knowledge, you would have to Turn to the Scripture that REVEALS that Knowledge.

Matt 7:
[21] Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

THIS is a mans "REASONABLE Service"...WILL of the Father for a man TO DO. --->

Rom 12:
[1] I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service.

That ^ is a man Believing and "Surrendering" his Life to God...(as taught with a Heartful Confession of Belief) and thereafter God makes the changes IN a man, and Dwells WITH and IN a man.

You can do your own lengthy Study from OT to NT...or review a Brief post relating to Specific Scriptures about the difference between "Gods Spirit WITH a man "or" Gods Spirit With and In a man".
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Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Taken]

What does that mean? lol

Tee hee
It means....
YOU said YOU "understood" what "OSAS" means...
BUT after being Asked nearly a dozen times to explain what "OSAS" means...
You could NOT explain what "you think OSAS means".

Not ONLY did you NOT "explain" what "you think OSAS means"....what you immaturely did instead...is deflect from answering the question and respond with negative accusations.

Man up -
You claim you understand what OSAS means, so "tell us"...according to you...
What does OSAS mean?

 

[kcnalp]

No, "with and in" is not contrary to Matt 7.
Matt 7 is speaking of men who DO the will of the Father.

First you would have to KNOW what IS the WILL of the Father.
TO KNOW THAT knowledge, you would have to Turn to the Scripture that REVEALS that Knowledge.

Matt 7:
[21] Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

THIS is a mans "REASONABLE Service"...WILL of the Father for a man TO DO. --->

Rom 12:
[1] I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service.

That ^ is a man Believing and "Surrendering" his Life to God...(as taught with a Heartful Confession of Belief) and thereafter God makes the changes IN a man, and Dwells WITH and IN a man.

You can do your own lengthy Study from OT to NT...or review a Brief post relating to Specific Scriptures about the difference between "Gods Spirit WITH a man "or" Gods Spirit With and In a man".
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Glory to God,
Taken

And none of these MANY who did all these things in the Name of Jesus were ever saved in their lives? How insane!

Matthew 7:22 (NKJV)
22 Many will say to Me in that day, 'Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?'

 

[kcnalp]

Tee hee
It means....
YOU said YOU "understood" what "OSAS" means...
BUT after being Asked nearly a dozen times to explain what "OSAS" means...
You could NOT explain what "you think OSAS means".

Not ONLY did you NOT "explain" what "you think OSAS means"....what you immaturely did instead...is deflect from answering the question and respond with negative accusations.

Man up -
You claim you understand what OSAS means, so "tell us"...according to you...
What does OSAS mean?

God said YOU are the one who doesn't understand.

Taken said: "NO, I do NOT FEAR GOD."

God said: "Psalm 111:10 (NKJV) 10 The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom;"

 

[Taken]

I do understand. You're being totally evasive of my question.

LOL

Why are you expecting ME to answer YOU YOUR Question about "Matt 7:22" ?
Try to keep your conversations straight.
It was Tong, who posted Matt 7:22.

"Are you really saying none of these "MANY" who did all these things in the Name of Jesus were NEVER saved?"

Matthew 7:22 (NKJV)
22 Many will say to Me in that day, 'Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?'

 

[MatthewG]

Precious friend:
Many {myself included} have suffered Experiences of "weak faith," but I do not
understand/interpret Sound BIBLE Doctrine Based Upon anybody's "experiences."

"ALL Scripture Is Given By God And Profitable For Doctrine..."
{ Rule 5a of ALL the Rules I use for "study" here: Bible "study" Rules }:

(1) Did God Distinctly Say: "ETERNAL Life" Or: Does HE Agree With:
men's ideas of "Temporary life"?

(2) Is God's GRACE Actually "UNmerited Favor" Or: Did HE Actually
Mean: men's ideas of: "Conditional favor" based on "works of merit"?

(3) What then do we do With "The ALL-Sufficient BLOOD Of CHRIST"?

RE-interpret it as "the INsufficient blood," which would THEN mean:

Equals:​

"For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached,
or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel,
which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him." (2Co_11:4 KJB!)

Conclusion: Only TWO Choices, Correct? God's ALL-Sufficient BLOOD
FORGIVES ALL of the believer's sins upon "faith In HIM, For Eternal Life,"

Or:
the INsufficient blood of another Jesus is preached FOR: "TEMPORARY life,"
Correct?

Precious friend, Please Be Very Richly Blessed/Encouraged!!

It is okay you did not respond the way that was desired.

Just a simple yes or no would have sufficed but it is okay. You take care.

 

[Taken]

God said YOU are the one who doesn't understand.

Taken said: "NO, I do NOT FEAR GOD."

God said: "Psalm 111:10 (NKJV) 10 The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom;"

~ kcnalp said: he understands what OSAS means....but kcnalp can not say what OSAS means...

 

[Taken]

Blood Bought 1953 ~
Question:
Did you say "unbelievers" will go to heaven?

Tnx,
Taken

 

[kcnalp]

LOL

Why are you expecting ME to answer YOU YOUR Question about "Matt 7:22" ?
Try to keep your conversations straight.
It was Tong, who posted Matt 7:22.

The question is for ALL OSASers.

"Are you really saying none of these "MANY" who did all these things in the Name of Jesus were NEVER saved?"

Matthew 7:22 (NKJV)
22 Many will say to Me in that day, 'Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?'

 

[kcnalp]

Tee hee
It means....
YOU said YOU "understood" what "OSAS" means...
BUT after being Asked nearly a dozen times to explain what "OSAS" means...
You could NOT explain what "you think OSAS means".

Not ONLY did you NOT "explain" what "you think OSAS means"....what you immaturely did instead...is deflect from answering the question and respond with negative accusations.

Man up -
You claim you understand what OSAS means, so "tell us"...according to you...
What does OSAS mean?

God said YOU are the one who doesn't understand.

Your intention was to put your words in my mouth, then want a defense from me.

I Don't play that game. What comes out of your mouth is your words. You are accountable for what you think and say...
Not me.



No I do not EXCUSE your lack of UNDERSTANDING.

It is obvious, you Quoting, 1 John 1:8-9...
Is you revealing you KNOW NOT THE DIFFERENCE between one CLAIMING...
"They HAVE NO SIN"
And as I HAVE CLAIMED, "I have FORGIVEN SIN".

Any student and believer "KNOWS" all men "HAVE SIN".
Any elementary student, can comprehend, a natural man is "born IN SIN", and "commits SIN".

Any elementary student, can comprehend,
* "A CONVERTED MAN, HAS FORGIVEN SIN",
And SINS, "NO MORE".
* "A NON-CONVERTED MAN, HAS NON-FORGIVEN SIN", and CONTINUES TO SIN.

I am Forgiven, Converted IN Christ, KEPT By HIS Power and sin NO MORE.

You....well, by your own admission, you continue to SIN....
For some (unscriptural reasoning), the Lords Power is not enough to KEEP you Free from sin...




I didn't say you were unsaved.
You define yourself as:
Saved (but can lose your salvation)...
Saved (but continues to sin)...

What you have determined applies to you...
Definately does not apply to me.

If that bothers you, so what.

But you said I can't be unsaved, NEVER! Wish I could say the same for you!

 

[kcnalp]

~ kcnalp said: he understands what OSAS means....but kcnalp can not say what OSAS means...

Don't you believe God? He said YOU don't have wisdom.

Taken said: "NO, I do NOT FEAR GOD."

God said: "Psalm 111:10 (NKJV) 10 The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom;"

 

[Grailhunter]

My fav. Book..It teaches why one should move forward in faith and go on toward perfection. I do not see it as iffy but straigt forward. It states the old and why the new is better.....

I did not say that Hebrews was iffy I said that drawing conclusions from it can be a little iffy.
There are several interpretations of Hebrews.

 

[Taken]

The question is for ALL OSASers.

Oh, ok, I have not problem answering a question posed to me.

You answer the question I have posed expressly to you and I will answer your question posed in general.

 

[kcnalp]

Oh, ok, I have not problem answering a question posed to me.

You answer the question I have posed expressly to you and I will answer your question posed in general.

YOU don't even understand OSAS! God said so!

 

[Corlove13]

Gods Spirit "WITH" you.
Gods Spirit "WITH you and IN you...
BEGINS WITH THE OT...and the Hebrews...continues with the TRIBES of Israel....and LASTLY the Gentiles.
(SAME METHOD...Begins with the Gods Spirit "WITH" a man WHO IS BELIEVING in God...
Gods Spirit "STOPS BEING WITH a man WHO STOPS BELIEVING..)

Is a Study of numerous Scriptures...
OT Scripture Begins teaching men, about Being "with" other men, families, aquaintances, animals. Something Familiar men can comprehend "what WITH means".

Example:
Gen 9:12
[12] And God said, This is the token of the covenant which I make between me and you and every living creature that is with you, for perpetual generations:

OT Scripture then Begins teaching men, about God being "with" men.

Example:
Gen 48:
[21] And Israel said unto Joseph, Behold, I die: but God shall be with you, and bring you again unto the land of your fathers.

OT Scripture then Begins teaching men, about God NOT being WITH men...AND WHY

Example:
Numb 14:
[43] For the Amalekites and the Canaanites are there before you, and ye shall fall by the sword: because ye are turned away from the LORD, therefore the LORD will not be with you.

Example:
2 Chr 15:
[2] And he went out to meet Asa, and said unto him, Hear ye me, Asa, and all Judah and Benjamin; The LORD is with you, while ye be with him; and if ye seek him, he will be found of you; but if ye forsake him, he will forsake you.

Moving on into the NT ...
First to the Jews....then to the Tribes...Lastly to the Gentiles.

Jesus, arrives...seeks Jews, (men to hear, learn, believe Him. Continue preaching)...
Jesus "With" you (Jews).

Example:
John 7:
[33] Then said Jesus unto them, Yet a little while am Iwith you, and then I go unto him that sent me.

Jesus teaching the Spirit "with you" AND "shall be in you".... Applies to the man (Jew and Gentile) WHO Knows the Lord God

Example:
John 14:
[17] Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.


A man WHO KNOWS, the Lord God, Hears, Learns, Believes ...
* The Lord God IS "WITH" that man.
* If the man Stops believing...the Lord God, is no long "WITH" that man.
* If the man Continues Believing....and Confesses Heartful Belief...the Lord God remains "WITH" that man, and the Lord Gods Spirit "enters" "INTO" that man...Once and For ever....(will Never Leave that man).

* John 14:
[20] At that day ye shall know that I am in my Father, and ye in me, and I in you.
* Matt 28:
[20] Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.

The Day Jesus' Disciples KNEW, His Spirit was "IN" them.
* Acts 1:
[5] For John truly baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost not many days hence.
* Acts 2: 1-2-3-4
[4] And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost...

* Any man thereafter...Hearing, Learning, Believing; then: the Lord God is "WITH" the man.
* If the man CONTINUES Believing: the Lord God Continues being "WITH" the man.
* If the man STOPS Believing; the Lord God "LEAVES" the man.
* If the man CONFESSES Heartful Belief; the Lord God Remains "WITH" the man AND the Lord Gods Spirit enters "INTO" the man...and REMAINS for ever.

OSAS Applies to ANY man "WHO"...
Heard, Learned, Believed, Continued Hearing, Continued Believing, Heartfully Confessed Belief and Received the Baptism of the Holy Spirit....Forever...the Lord God IS "WITH" and "IN" that man....and that man "WITH" and "IN" the Lord God....and that man thereafter called;
*Converted
*Saved
*Born Again
*"IN" Christ.
* Rom 7
[5] So we, being many, are one body in Christ, and every one members one of another.

The importance of Understanding the difference Between "WITH" and "IN"...
IS:
Men "ONLY" "WITH", can fall away.
Men "WITH and IN", are secure forever.

* Men AGAINST "OSAS" preach Against "OSAS" on a "FALSE PREMISE".
* Their FALSE Premise is Preaching:
The Spirit of God..."IN" a man can Leave a man.
When the FACT IS:
The Spirit of God "WITH" a man CAN Leave a man....
BUT...the Spirit of God "WITH" and "IN" a man WILL NEVER LEAVE a man...

Glory to God, His Word is Faithful and True,
Taken

The question then is not that God is with us, but are we with God?

 

[Corlove13]

Good News!

The kingdom is available Now for anyone who puts their trust in Jesus.

That means you do not have to wait until you die.

Osas thinking leaves out sanctification...because many believe Justification is all of Salvation....

It's like saying you can be a Christian without being a disciple.

 

[Osiris]

A user by the name of "Osiris" will "teach" us Christianity. LOL!

To be a Christian is to follow Christ in totality of the word. Arrogance will get you nowhere. You are already lost calling on Christ Jesus when he and his people were Hebrew and there are no J’s in Hebrew. If you are going to speak about my name as a knock to me informing people. But I’m suppose to respect someone who calls on the wrong name of one their almighty god and two his son and three the children of God.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

The Speaker is Speaking AND TEACHING to men WHO are HEARING and "professing" Belief!

What does ^ THAT have to do with revealing, "THOSE MEN">
HAVING BECOME CONVERTED?

NOTHING!

Yes, it does mean they are converted.....

For with your heart you believe and are justified, and with your mouth you confess and are saved. Romans 10:10​

Why would the writer of Hebrews 4:14 be telling them to hold firmly to something they don't really have? ↓↓↓

Therefore, since we have a great high priest...let us hold firmly to what we profess. Hebrews 4:14​

 

[Tong2020]

What part don’t you understand? Jesus is not a rapist, forcing himself on others against their will. People have to act, to voluntarily go to him, not just once and done but in an ongoing basis. Jesus does not go to people who have not previously turned to him in each moment of temptation. God respects people’s Free Will - onto death.

If this were not so, there would be no point to the many times Jesus healed people then told them to ‘sin no more.’ The burden of our future state relationship to God is on us, not him.

I know some say we cannot do it on our own strength. Agreed. However, Ask and it Shall Be Given requires us to first ask. Not just the first time, once and saved for all time, but each instance we are tempted to sin more or sin again.

All.

<<<Jesus is not a rapist, forcing himself on others against their will.>>>

Didn’t say he is. So why do you bring that issue up?

<<<People have to act, to voluntarily go to him, not just once and done but in an ongoing basis. >>>

How do you suppose a dead man can do that? The unregenerate is in a state of death, rendered dead to the things pertaining to God and the things of the Spirit of God.

Tong
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