Once Saved Always Saved

[Tong2020]

Tong2020 said: ↑
Good advise. It goes to all, including you, don’t you think?

Your OSAS doctrine says I can NEVER be unsaved!

Use the quote feature. You’d be shown sincere and true.

Tong
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[HisLife]

Wow! This time it's ad hom mixed with out-and-out false accusations!
Nice. :)

Glad you liked it but geez man the old saying is true....Don't joke with a judaizer

Please prove your accusation that my favorite "line" is "ad hominem."

Ad hominem

Not sure how to address this. You're basically just calling me a liar without offering any evidence (pretty much the textbook case of ad hominem

Ad hominem

Please prove that I am "always quoting that lady." This can be done easily enough using the search box up in the right-hand corner.

was it last time we spoke You linked me to a thread you pretended you started That was just copy and paste of Ellen's, trying o teach there is no Hell don't really want to find it, but come on be honest seen you called me a troll 3 times, you troll and then copy and past Ellen whenever you try and teach, its pretty funny, pot kettle black type of thing, think we can ad ad hominem here as well

Frankly, I don't find any of this humorous. Trolling is really annoying. That's why it's so attractive to folks who don't really want to discuss anything seriously.

Kinda agree here that why its always so lovely to have you pop in with your trolling and twisted remarks, you are really good at describing yourself without realizing it

Not sure how to address this. You're basically just calling me a liar without offering any evidence (pretty much the textbook case of ad hominem--I can't help that you don't want to wear the shoe that fits).

I actually like other "lines" better: Like "straw man," for instance. Also "antinomianism," "dispensationalism," "modern Christendom," and "cheap grace peddling." How's that for openness?

More ad hominem but Hey I have a lot of evidence! you are a liar, don't pretend you are not....come on barny fiffer, ya big liar you, ...Check your pants aren't on fire, You want me to prove that as well? that's an easy one

Even if you could prove this (which you can't) why would anyone want to hang around and chat with someone who only wants to troll?

Completely agree and that rules me out tho! I don't know why anyone would want to hang out with me honestly but but you always come out from your bridge to come say hi, wish the feeling was mutual, but why would I want to hang around you? there is a good question...

You flatter yourself here. More baseless accusations. But what else would an ad hom specialist say?

Ad hominem but I might start a Diet today I hope that flatters myself a bit

Here you're basically just saying "I know you are but what am I?"--A proper schoolyard-ism.

Kind of But that's how we talk together isn't it, you pop in with your ad hominem and pretend humor always resorts to schoolyard-ism with you

More condescending nonsense

That was probably the most serious part of my post?

Why do I feel like there's a lack of sincerity here? Oh, I know! Because it's just more trolling.

Speaking of opening up and answering honestly, I couldn't help but notice that you didn't address my point about popular support directly, at all.

I only replied to you initially to refute some of the nonsense you were spouting; I kept it impersonal. But, as always, you descended directly into mud-slinging, as you always do.

Unless you open up and answer these challenges honestly, don't expect me to reply. :)

I did answer? I said Its not about popular support, its about truth and that cults would do well if it was based on popular support, I could add you aren't on a foreign island and have never had the chance to learn scripture, you cant use that excuse it doesn't apply to your reality, you have heard it and you choose to take a different route, That's your reality that's your choice, the what ifs you present don't apply to you, you are without excuse

 

[kcnalp]

Use the quote feature. You’d be shown sincere and true.

Tong
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Make up your mind. Can I be unsaved or not?

 

[BarneyFife]

Yes!

You have spoken.

 

[Tong2020]

Tong2020 said: ↑
It is you who is saying that one can be justified by keeping the law, not me.

IF you or I had kept the law, and would always keep the law we would indeed be justified by the law. The reason we can't be justified by the law is we can't keep it. Which is why we need a New Covenant through which to relate to God. A Covenant that is able to deal with the fact that we can't keep the law.

You just repeated yourself. I already told you what I understand you to be saying, that one can be justified by the keeping the law. And there is no issue about the matter that we can’t be justified by the law.

Now may I ask, Was there a law given that could give life?

<<<The reason we can't be justified by the law is we can't keep it.>>>

What does scriptures say why Israel did not attain to righteousness with regards the keeping of the law?

Tong
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[Tong2020]

Tong2020 said: ↑
Use the quote feature. You’d be shown sincere and true.

Make up your mind. Can I be unsaved or not?

You have the opportunity to be shown sincere and true. Why not take it?

<<<Can I be unsaved or not?>>>

Your faith would give you the answer to that, not me.

Tong
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[BarneyFife]

Glad you liked it but geez man the old saying is true....Don't joke with a judaizer



Ad hominem



Ad hominem



was it last time we spoke You linked me to a thread you pretended you started That was just copy and paste of Ellen's, trying o teach there is no Hell don't really want to find it, but come on be honest seen you called me a troll 3 times, you troll and then copy and past Ellen whenever you try and teach, its pretty funny, pot kettle black type of thing, think we can ad ad hominem here as well



Kinda agree here that why its always so lovely to have you pop in with your trolling and twisted remarks, you are really good at describing yourself without realizing it



More ad hominem but Hey I have a lot of evidence! you are a liar, don't pretend you are not....come on barny fiffer, ya big liar you, ...Check your pants aren't on fire, You want me to prove that as well? that's an easy one



Completely agree and that rules me out tho! I don't know why anyone would want to hang out with me honestly but but you always come out from your bridge to come say hi, wish the feeling was mutual, but why would I want to hang around you? there is a good question...




Ad hominem but I might start a Diet today I hope that flatters myself a bit



Kind of But that's how we talk together isn't it, you pop in with your ad hominem and pretend humor always resorts to schoolyard-ism with you



That was probably the most serious part of my post?



I did answer? I said Its not about popular support, its about truth and that cults would do well if it was based on popular support, I could add you aren't on a foreign island and have never had the chance to learn scripture, you cant use that excuse it doesn't apply to your reality, you have heard it and you choose to take a different route, That's your reality that's your choice, the what ifs you present don't apply to you, you are without excuse

You have spoken. It's very interesting. I don't know how to communicate with utter delusion. It's clear I made a mistake in replying to your post expecting a lucid exchange. May God bless you and keep you. I can't even find words. I'm sorry I bothered you. It won't happen again.

 

[kcnalp]

You have the opportunity to be shown sincere and true. Why not take it?

<<<Can I be unsaved or not?>>>

Your faith would give you the answer to that, not me.

Tong
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I'm quite sincere!

John 15:6 (NKJV)
6 If anyone does not abide in Me, he is cast out as a branch and is withered; and they gather them and throw them into the fire, and they are burned.

 

[kcnalp]

I truly believe that OSASers are trying to convince themselves that OSAS is true.

 

[HisLife]

That's what all Osasers think. They think the only other option to not believing Osas is to believe salvation is earned by works. And furthermore, they literally can not see that is not true when you show them how it's not true. That's why I call Osas a cult.

The amazing circus performer Ferris Bueller that thinks he can read thoughts and talk for other people, You don't even ask my opinion you just know what others think hmmm amazing, the only thing you have shown me is how you twist scripture, I notice you quoting the gospel in this thread and you just cant write unless you believed in vain you still still have to crop that part out. tsk tsk

That is what counts, so why does Osas continue to beat it's drum about what doesn't count?

Osas Beats a drum That Jesus Who saved them will keep them saved Because salvation is not of works, Because its about the thing that does count, The precious Blood Of Jesus That Was Shed for the sins of the world, That's what counts, You put it on things that don't count like your faith like if your faith was in yourself to endure, that's not faith that will help you, Faith has to be in something, I have faith you will respond with something useless and you will twist words, its like a sure thing with you but that faith is useless tho, Faith can be weak, Gods Grace comes from his character, Jesus Blood Is crucial gotta get your priorities right

It's amazing how you can't see that continuing to believe in order to be saved is not you trusting yourself for salvation. Paul made it crystal clear that trusting God is opposed to working for salvation (Romans 4:5), and that there is no boast in having faith (Romans 3:27). How are you missing that?

Now you presume what I can see, More magic circus tricks from the great performer ferris buller, Without Jesus you can do nothing Its Gods work in the Christians life... I wouldn't want to take credit for God's work, What do you think you have to continue to believe? that its happening, wow I'm growing if i keep believing im growing ill keep growing how stupid, Wow I'm a child If I keep believing I'm a child I wont grow into a dinosaur, While you hide behind your definition of "Believe" you can apply whatever you want to it

 

[HisLife]

You have spoken. It's very interesting. I don't know how to communicate with utter delusion. It's clear I made a mistake in replying to your post expecting a lucid exchange. May God bless you and keep you. I can't even find words. I'm sorry I bothered you. It won't happen again.

Come on man you have been a troll the whole time I have been on this site you never offer anything positive just mock and run, Start with the utter delusion lol that a great place to start wouldn't it, if you want to talk about delusion we could talk about your delusion where you think there will be no Hell?, but I get ad hominem....your always sorry you bother me... and you always call names and run....your choice tho until next time, look forward to trying again next time

 

[BarneyFife]

That's what all Osasers think. They think the only other option to not believing Osas is to believe salvation is earned by works.

You'd better believe it. And here's the absolute proof:

Osas Beats a drum That Jesus Who saved them will keep them saved Because salvation is not of works,

Sublime, isn't it? Perfect, poetic justice.

 

[HisLife]

Sublime, isn't it? Poetic justice.

I said it beats the drum, I don't believe In Once saved always saved even tho with proper perspective it is true that's a man's term that's your boggy monster, I see you back again doing your usual thing tho even tho even tho you said you wouldn't.... trolling as you call it, I teach you Can believe and trust in Gods Word And His Promises, you guys are obsessed with OSAS I barely mention it but to address you guys

 

[BarneyFife]

I said it beats the drum, I don't believe In Once saved always saved even tho with proper perspective it is true that's a man's term that's your boggy monster, I see you back again doing your usual thing tho even tho even tho you said you wouldn't.... trolling as you call it, I teach you Can believe and trust in Gods word And His Promises, you guys are obsessed with OSAS I barely mention it but to address you guys

I wasn't addressing you--only quoting.

 

[HisLife]

I wasn't addressing you--only quoting.

You just did, Told ya

 

[BarneyFife]

You just did, Told ya

Okay, so you're seven-years-old. And I'm a liar. Got it. I just noticed from another thread that you believe username Behold is a great teacher. That explains a lot. BTW, if you think I believe there's no Hell you've got me mixed up with someone else, or as I said before you're delusional. The latter seems most likely. So let's do some non-communicating. It'll be fun.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

So it’s a parallel for you then.

Tong
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Yes, since I'm not Osas I can look at it for what it is.

 

[HisLife]

Okay, so you're seven-years-old. And I'm a liar. Got it. I just noticed from another thread that you believe username Behold is a great teacher. That explains a lot. BTW, if you think I believe there's no Hell you've got me mixed up with someone else, or as I said before you're delusional. The latter seems most likely. So let's do some non-communicating. It'll be fun.

I'm treating you with the maturity I think you deserve, Like I said I can prove it just let me know if you want me to you actually did it in this very post. Running down others now as well...but expected, Behold Gives all credit and Honour to Jesus for Salvation I respect that but your attempt to mock is very low there. You miss quote me as usual then use that to call me delusional that's actually evil on your part, what is there to say but your a troll,you offer nothing constructive

 

[Corlove13]

Tong
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Sorry, I must be a lot more careful with my words.
In my understanding....its about being Justified in the sense that our deeds match up with our heart. Being renew with right thoughts, transforming to the image of Christ...the outcome is works of Love.

Now you can come in the presence of God.
Because what you say and what you do match up. So you are justified before God.

And that is the ungoingness to life....
The life in the kingdom of God where you know your sins are forgiven.

So yes, one upholds the law through faith
Our righteousness has to succeed the righteousness of the pharasees because they taught one thing but did another.

So recall that love [lord, neighbor] ....fullfills the Law. SO we do not uphold the law by trying to keep it on our natural abilities. We uphold it through faith. For through faith we become like Christ where our character is changing, that we naturally do what is inside of us.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

I consider not only 1 John 2:19-24. We all should do that.

So let us rightly divide the word.

Tong
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If you really are doing that then you can see that Jesus was talking about a particular group of people, as was John, not establishing a sweeping and absolute truth about every single person who does not put into practice what Jesus teaches.