I can't help but note that you have not answered anything I've pointed out in my previous posts. People will not take you seriously unless you answer the Biblical proofs that have been presented to you. You seem to have this tactic where you think if you do not answer the things you cannot, and distract others and us by pumping out the same (wrong) things again and again, you will gain points. Again I must point out that this in not about points...it's about truth....and you are ignoring, deliberately, what the Bible is telling you on this subject. Do yourself and anyone who is reading and really seaching for truth, and go back and address what's already been shown.
To all those following this lesson here is something to think about....and please.....it's not hard to figure out. God gave us all common sense....and that is all it takes.
Paul's job, just as all of ours, is to tell people about the kingdom of God and what it takes to enter it. When this question was asked of the guy that is going to judge ALL those that desire entrance into God's kingdom, this is what He said;
Matt. 19
[17] And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.
[18] He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness,
[19] Honour thy father and thy mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
Now if the Lord says this is what is needed for eternal life do we really have to go any further? Well....we shouldn't.....BUT there are some that will try to say we are not 'obligated' to keep God's laws, inspite of the direct answer the Lord just gave us.
Again, you take the passage out of context, twisting it to make it say what you want it to. Jesus point here is that NO ONE is good, NO ONE is perfect. Even those who say "I've kept the commandments" haven't, not really. They may not have murdered anyone, but darn straight they've hated someone....and Jesus tells us that anyone who has hated in their hearts have murdered.
But even if Jesus' point was for man to strictly follow the Commandments perfectly, look what he says here, in regards to these commandments:
[Fulfilling the Law Through Love]
[8] Owe no one anything, except to love each other, for the one who loves another has fulfilled the law. [9] For the commandments, “You shall not commit adultery, You shall not murder, You shall not steal, You shall not covet,” and any other commandment, are summed up in this word: “You shall love your neighbor as yourself.” [10] Love does no wrong to a neighbor; therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.
(Romans 13:8-10 ESV)
Does it make sense that God does not require man to obey ANYTHING? Does it make sense that we can just continue to sin and sin and sin until our death and God will just continue to forgive, and forgive and forgive, simply because we have faith in Him?
Well before you answer...let's look at what was said by the same person that said all of those quotes above....
1 Cor.6
[9] Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
[10] Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.
Sounds like Paul is advising people not to sin.
The Bible also tells us that no matter the effort, mankind...ALL mankind, is unrighteous. That means you...even though you "follow the rules". So how on earth do you suppose you're getting into the kingdom of God? If you will perhaps continue the above quote:
But[sup][/sup] you were washed,[sup][/sup] you were sanctified,[sup][/sup] you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God. (1 Cor 6:11)
Again, we are ONLY seen as righteous in the eyes of God by the Blood of Jesus Christ.
[Peace with God Through Faith]
[5:1] Therefore, since we have been justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ.
(Romans 5:1 ESV)
[Slaves to Righteousness]
[15] What then? Are we to sin because we are not under law but under grace? By no means! [16] Do you not know that if you present yourselves to anyone as obedient slaves, you are slaves of the one whom you obey, either of sin, which leads to death, or of obedience, which leads to righteousness? [17] But thanks be to God, that you who were once slaves of sin have become obedient from the heart to the standard of teaching to which you were committed, [18] and, having been set free from sin, have become slaves of righteousness. [19] I am speaking in human terms, because of your natural limitations. For just as you once presented your members as slaves to impurity and to lawlessness leading to more lawlessness, so now present your members as slaves to righteousness leading to sanctification.
(Romans 6:15-19 ESV)
[6] But now we are released from the law, having died to that which held us captive, so that we serve in the new way of the Spirit and not in the old way of the written code.
(Romans 7:6 ESV)
[
Life in the Spirit]
[8:1] There is therefore now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus. [2] For the law of the Spirit of life has set you free in Christ Jesus from the law of sin and death. [3] For God has done what the law, weakened by the flesh, could not do. By sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh and for sin, he condemned sin in the flesh, [4] in order that the righteous requirement of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not according to the flesh but according to the Spirit.
(Romans 8:1-4 ESV)
[39] and by him everyone who believes is freed from everything from which you could not be freed by the law of Moses.
(Acts 13:39 ESV)
And what is God's definition of sin? Let's read it....
"Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law."
True, but once again, EVERYONE sins...even you, who "keep the law". Keeping the law will NOT gain us salvation.
As we see above, in Romans 6:15-19, just because we have righteousness in Christ, does NOT give us license to sin freely. Of course not....anyone who does so does not have true regeneration of the spirit. Anyone who is saved and has the Holy Spirit, will strive everyday against sin. But even fighting it as we do, NO ONE will live the perfect life Jesus did.
Now let's prove this by reading what Paul said next....
"[11] And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God."
So, reguardless of what anybody tries to tell you, Paul IS telling people NOT to break God's laws!
Like I just said, no true Christian will say we have the right to continue sinning. We acknowledge that sin is a greivance against God...but we also know that trying to rely on our own faulty following of Laws we cannot keep, will NOT gain us anything. The Bible tells us that ONLY through the sacrifice of Jesus can we ever hope to be seen as righteous in God's eyes. Jesus gives us everything. It's the "great exchange" as Martin Luther calls it....Jesus gives us His righteousness, and we give Him our sin.
Now where did Paul receive such information? How did he know who to include? Where did he obtain this list of people? From the laws of God, which he found written in the OT!
Let's read more of what Paul had to say...
[18] Flee fornication. Every sin that a man doeth is without the body; but he that commiteth fornication sinneth against his own body.
Sounds like yet another commandment of God Paul is saying to keep!
You see, the difference I see here, is that Paul is saying: "flee sin...fight against sin....and trust Jesus for your salvation"
And you say: "Don't sin...at all...or go to hell....keep the laws...it'll help you get to heaven"
Paul is not saying what you are. Of course Paul is not encouraging us to sin, but he is NOT telling us to rely on our own keeping of laws. As I've said before...Paul tells his readers that his own attempts to gain righteousness by works of the law was RUBBISH. And before his conversion Paul boasted a pure pedigree of law keeping...much better than yours, I dare say.
Let's continue....
Heb.10
[26] For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,
[27] But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.
Ok readers....wait one second!…… How can we SIN (break God’s laws) if there are no laws to keep?
Lets look at that whole passage:
[sup]26[/sup]For if we go on sinning deliberately[sup][/sup] after receiving the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins, [sup]27[/sup][sup][/sup] but a fearful expectation of judgment, and[sup][/sup] a fury of fire that will consume the adversaries. [sup]28[/sup] Anyone who has set aside the law of Moses dies without mercy[sup][/sup] on the evidence of two or three witnesses. [sup]29[/sup]How much worse punishment, do you think, will be deserved by the one who has spurned the Son of God, and has profaned[sup][/sup] the blood of the covenant by which he was sanctified, and has outraged the Spirit of grace? [sup]30[/sup]For we know him who said,[sup][/sup] "Vengeance is mine; I will repay." And again,[sup][/sup] "The Lord will judge his people." [sup]31[/sup] It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God. (Heb 10:26-31)
I have to say...This passage speaks more of those who deny the full power of Christ's sacrifice, than those of us who sin and then repent. He cannot be speaking of believers who repent daily of sin....because we ALL sin. If anyone who sinned would be condemned to judgment and fire, than Jesus died for no one. This passage talks to you, my friend. You who would try and convince others that Jesus work on the cross was not enough. You who would believe that he can somehow earn his own righteousness, earn his own way into the Kingdom of God.
Here is more from Paul….
Rom.5
[13] (For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law.
Now let's carefully look at this scripture.
Sin is the breaking of God's laws..... and Paul says
"UNTIL the law...the breaking of the law was still in the world"! Until WHAT law? So that means there was a law that was ADDED (Hint for next lesson!) to go along with the others laws that were being broken.
Then Paul says sin is not 'imputed' or 'done away with' when there is no law? So if sin, the breaking of God's laws, is NOT done away with when there is no law, can only mean, Paul is speaking of ANOTHER set of laws that have been done away with.
The ONLY way any of this can make sense lies in the FACT that Paul speaks of more than one law. Paul is NOT always referring to ALL 613 laws in his writings.
Think about is readers...how can Paul say "Flee fornication", "...if we sin wilfully...", "Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,"......
You are doing your very best to confuse a very simple issue. Do you suppose that people will believe you if you confuse them, make them think you know something they don't? The issue is simple...lets look at the passage:
[sup]13[/sup]for sin indeed was in the world before the law was given, but[sup][/sup] sin is not counted where there is no law (Rom 5:13)
This doens't mean there was more than one law. It's simple. Adam and Eve sinned and mankind fell. There was no mosaic law at this point....but from this moment on sin was rampant. But how did fallen man know they were sinning against God? Evil actions now came easily to them...naturally...why should they question it? And indeed they didn't question it...and things got so bad God sent the flood. But when God set down the Laws for Moses, man suddenly had something infront of them telling them what was and was not permitted. The Law cannot save....it never could....it was always going to be for Jesus to do. But the Law gave mankind something which they may strive not be the completely debauched race that they so often became when they turned from the Law and God.
This is my answer to the questions asked;
Paul speaks of TWO different laws in his writings;
There is the one set of laws that was against man, a set of laws that God never liked but allowed, a set of laws that was to keep those that believed in God with hope and faith, a set of laws that was only to be around for a little while.
Then Paul speaks of another set of laws;
This is the set of laws where he found the following....."What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.", "Flee fornication", "Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,".
Speaking of TWO sets of laws is how this works. How else can it?
All of this will be proven in an upcoming lesson.
So for now....let's leave the law behind for awhile and move on to other topics in God's word.
Complete and utter suppisiton. You can only make sense of these passages in this manner because you are starting from a faulty premise in the beginning.
You try and brush this off as done, but you haven't ONCE addressed any of the biblical responses given to you. You are wrong Ecc, and your ideas are pure heresy against the love and sacrifice of Jesus. You will not earn your way into heaven...as we've pointed out before...all your "keeping the law" will be presented to God as dog crap or filthy rags. That sounds harsh, but the Bible clearly tells us that. You are hurting yourself deeply by clinging to your need to be relgious.