new version of OSAS?

[kcnalp]

Just the same, we can know that God will NEVER forsake us!

Much love!

A BIG Amen!

 

[Ferris Bueller]

We must make all the way to the end of the road with Him. Bumps along the way may be uncomfortable, but if we stay on the vehicle with Him we will make it. Some people after so many bumps without relief simply decide to get out of the vehicle even though it is the only Way to approach the bright Light at the end of the road!

It's a good analogy. Being a whiny brat in the car trip there doesn't cause you to not get to where you're going. Getting out of the car does.

 

[Tong2020]

Tong2020 said: ↑
What I am saying that cannot happen to the true believers and true disciples, is lose salvation or be unsaved.

Did that happen to Satan? Nope. Besides, Satan never was saved.

YAY!!!! I can NEVER be unsaved!

Sarcasm?

Nonetheless it’s something to be thankful about by the true believer, who loves the Lord.

Tong
R3377

 

[marks]

I don't know my best friend in high school anymore. We have hardly anything in common now. He was married to my sister for 15 years. People can grow apart. It's a thing. God knew all about me before I was even born. The same way He knew about everyone who won't choose to be saved, as well. Human logic is insufficient to perfectly analyze regeneration.

Though he slay me, yet will I trust in him. (Job 13:15)​

I think we were talking about someone who believes in God then going on to not believe. Someone who knows God then not knowing them.

I'm not thinking that our relationship with God works the same as our relationships with our fellow humans. Yes, there are similarities, but I think there is a fundamental difference, a very deep difference.

Much love!

 

[kcnalp]

It is God that says so......If Jesus died for all of my sins , what sins could I be damned for? Maybe you don’t believe that Jesus died for your Sins....that would be showing Unbelief in the first half of Paul’s Gospel That Saves ( 1Cor15:1-4 ) ...I would recommend that you start Believing it....

Like you said, I can NEVER be unsaved NO MATTER WHAT I DO! YAY!

 

[kcnalp]

That sure “ sounds” like something that Bible - Ignorant man would say ! Lol....

Are you denying you said you would go to Heaven if you were an unbeliever?

 

[stunnedbygrace]

Ah, you’ve seen his inconsistency

Moi? How about a little more explanation about my “ inconsistency?” Thanking you in advance....

I don’t think we were talking about you there...this time we were talking about Dan if I remember correctly.
Do you miss us talking about you?

 

[Tong2020]

Tong2020 said: ↑
What I am saying that cannot happen to the true believers and true disciples, is lose salvation or be unsaved.

Did that happen to Satan? Nope. Besides, Satan never was saved.

A true believer will never stray from the narrow path, or if they do, will soon return. The problem with osas is with someone who goes back into the world, after giving their life to God, a backslider, who lives a life not pleasing to God, blaspheming and living a licentious life etc and never returns to the fold in repentance, then the Bible tells us their end is worse than their beginning.
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<<<A true believer will never stray from the narrow path, or if they do, will soon return.>>>

Yes. When the child of God walks not according to the will of the Father, God will discipline him.

Tong
R3378

 

[marks]

And now you are saying that God is a respecter of persons.

No, I am not saying that.

The fact that God told Abraham to offer his son a burnt offering, but did not tell Isaac to do the same thing, does not make Him a respector of persons, though He treat different people differently.

That He sends His angels to gather the elect, giving them their promised land, but then gathers the nations to judge them and separate them, does not make God a respector of persons. He gathers the one as a group unto salvation, He gathers the other as a group unto judgment. Recognizing that there are differences, this is what I am doing.

Hebrews 8:6 KJV
But now hath he obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also he is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises.

I'm only repeating what God Himself said.

Much love!

 

[marks]

You misunderstand me. I do not mean there is no assurance in general. I mean simply that a faith in my sincerity when I first believed is no assurance at all. And, yes, I say without reservation, that I know the testimony of which you speak.

Then does this assurance assure you that you will be with Him at the last?

Much love!

 

[marks]

<<<A true believer will never stray from the narrow path, or if they do, will soon return.>>>

Yes. When the child of God walks not according to the will of the Father, God will discipline him.

Tong
R3378

God's promise - His personal commitment to us. Rock solid promise! He will chasten His children, and His chastening will accomplish what is intended. He'll do it, and it works! We can rest in this reality.

SO much love!

 

[Ferris Bueller]

Gee. Are you now saying you can be saved even if you are faithless? Have no faith? Faithless? The one without faith is saved?

Consisder your responses to @Blood Bought 1953

Much love!

You can be faithless like Moses was when he hit the rock twice out of anger at the people and remain in covenant with God (Numbers 20:12). But you can not go back to Egypt and still be in covenant with God (Jeremiah 42:18).

 

[stunnedbygrace]

Romans 14:3-4 KJV
3) Let not him that eateth despise him that eateth not; and let not him which eateth not judge him that eateth: for God hath received him.
4) Who art thou that judgest another man's servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand.

He stands or falls, inconsistent, no assured outcome of his faith, and yet . . . God is able to make him stand.

Much love!

I wasn’t despising anyone...my sole focus is helping build up the trust of anyone I can.

 

[BloodBought 1953]

Put it all in context. I know what he was expressing. I'd call it having a bad day/week/month/year. The mind is unstable, and we can be blown different directions until we become more stabilized by the Word.

And we may not always understand what is happening with us, particularly before we learn how the Bible treats these topics. Looking at anecdotal experience isn't always the best way to determine truth. First understand the Scriptures, and then we will more clearly see how our experiences are defined by God's Word. And to communicate them, I think it best to do so in Scriptural terms.

Abraham believed God, and that belief was counted to him for righteousness, yet he still pleaded with God to accept Ishmael. If we are faithless, He remains faithful.

Much love!

If you truly “ knew what I was expressing” you would not refer to me having a
bad day” and a possessor of an “ unstable” mind.....I KNEW what I said ....I can DEFEND what I said with Scripture.....and I do not Apologize for what I said ...

I explained my position in a post in That Thread That got shut down....Anybody that wants to view it can get back in there and check it out for themselves... it should be easy .....Ferris and others seem to have no problem retrieving posts that appear to “ condemn me”—— it should be just as easy to pull out one where I explain a controversial position—- and quite well , if I DO say do myself....lol....

 

[marks]

Wouldn't it be like a talent? We could bury it.

Would it?

Could we?

Do we receive faith, and we are to use it to generate more faith, is this the meaning of the parable? That could be an interesting discussion. But I'm thinking the talent is representative of something else.

Much love!

 

[Ferris Bueller]

Better to stick with the Bible for doctrine than anecdotal experience.

Much love!

You don't believe BB's testimony? Tong doesn't even want to hear it.

 

[stunnedbygrace]

The people I know, and myself, I think there is more the question in their minds over their own weakness.

When you know your weakness that is when you are strong. Gods power is made perfect in weakness.

 

[marks]

What point was there in Jesus saying "IF you abide in me" if there was no chance for the abiding to cease?

If you live in California, you will pay California's sales and use tax.

If you live in Jesus, you will bear fruit.

If you live in this world, you will be subject to it's gravity.

Much love!

 

[marks]

We know that they died, but we don't that they were lost. The history of Israel is an object lesson, not literal, Soteriological Theology for them. It seems doubtful to me that Uzzah was lost just for trying to protect the ark of the covenant by reflex. The incident was recorded to illustrate that even unintentional, non-premeditated disobedience is deadly business.

Just so, I think!

Much love!

 

[BloodBought 1953]

So you judge "fellow believers" as unsaved? lol

Nope.....I can’t go that far.....only God can....Any Christian has the right to judge another Believer if they are falling into Doctrinal Error or are being “ caught up” in some type of sin.....any “ judging” is to be done in a Spirit Of kindness and compassion....like Paul said—- YOU might be next!