OSAS Question

[Eternally Grateful]

No we're not. "Stick to the topic dude".

Practice what you preach.

I am sticking to the topic

osas is about justification of the soul, how one gets to heaven

it’s NOT about the christian life and what people do. That’s a completely different topic

if your going to attack my faith, stick to the topic, trying to add something to the discussion which has nothing to do with how one goes to heaven is going off topic

 

[CadyandZoe]

I call the, licentious people who are just as lost as the legalistic people. They teach you can say a prayer and by magic Your saved no matter what,

they do not teach osas, they may claim they do. But they do not

most of the time when these arguments come up, it is workers for trying to attack grace people, they call us all licentious, because because we focus on salvation by faith alone, and not works

we focus on justification not sanctification so we hate works and obedience, which is a lie

I think people of good will can discuss this issue in a fair minded way if, at the start, they agree on two things: 1) love of the truth, and 2) a proper hermeneutic. You and mailmandan have hinted at it earlier when you talked about understanding verses in context.

For my part, I try not to respond to disparaging remarks about my character, e.g. licentious etc. Jesus said that I would get those from people but not to respond in kind. I think you would agree. We try to bring them back to the scriptures. Right? Don't give up. The Lord will be here soon.

 

[kcnalp]

I call the, licentious people who are just as lost as the legalistic people. They teach you can say a prayer and by magic Your saved no matter what,

they do not teach osas, they may claim they do. But they do not

most of the time when these arguments come up, it is workers for trying to attack grace people, they call us all licentious, because because we focus on salvation by faith alone, and not works

we focus on justification not sanctification so we hate works and obedience, which is a lie

Did you forget that you just told me to stay on topic? Practice what you preach.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Scripture please.

James 2
14 What does it profit, my brethren, if someone says he has faith but does not have works? Can faith save him? 15 If a brother or sister is naked and destitute of daily food, 16 and one of you says to them, “Depart in peace, be warmed and filled,” but you do not give them the things which are needed for the body, what does itprofit? 17 Thus also faith by itself, if it does not have works, is dead.

18 But someone will say, “You have faith, and I have works.” Show me your faith without your works, and I will show you my faith by my works. 19 You believe that there is one God. You do well. Even the demons believe—and tremble! 20 But do you want to know, O foolish man, that faith without works is dead?

poor guy, I know it’s hard for you to see

 

[Eternally Grateful]

I think people of good will can discuss this issue in a fair minded way if, at the start, they agree on two things: 1) love of the truth, and 2) a proper hermeneutic. You and mailmandan have hinted at it earlier when you talked about understanding verses in context.

For my part, I try not to respond to disparaging remarks about my character, e.g. licentious etc. Jesus said that I would get those from people but not to respond in kind. I think you would agree. We try to bring them back to the scriptures. Right? Don't give up. The Lord will be here soon.

We can pray that something brings them to the truth, I have Been where they are at in areas. I am thankful someone did not just let me continue in my hate but confronted me continually. Until God humbled me

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Did you forget that you just told me to stay on topic? Practice what you preach.

Are you a troll or something?

I was agreeing with what he said, unlike you who wants to attack my faith with false truths about my faith.

 

[kcnalp]

James 2
14 What does it profit, my brethren, if someone says he has faith but does not have works? Can faith save him? 15 If a brother or sister is naked and destitute of daily food, 16 and one of you says to them, “Depart in peace, be warmed and filled,” but you do not give them the things which are needed for the body, what does itprofit? 17 Thus also faith by itself, if it does not have works, is dead.

18 But someone will say, “You have faith, and I have works.” Show me your faith without your works, and I will show you my faith by my works. 19 You believe that there is one God. You do well. Even the demons believe—and tremble! 20 But do you want to know, O foolish man, that faith without works is dead?

poor guy, I know it’s hard for you to see

There ya go!

 

[kcnalp]

Are you a troll or something?

I was agreeing with what he said, unlike you who wants to attack my faith with false truths about my faith.

Just pointing out your hypocrisy.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

There ya go!

Yep

no works.

they were NEVER saved

they did not have salvation then lost it

sorry bro. Your co it used attack of OSAS will fail because you do not understand it. Like you do not understand james

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Just pointing out your hypocrisy.

Whatever dude, I did not get off topic, I was on topic, the topic was osas. And that was what I was talking about

your attempt to attack me has failed

 

[kcnalp]

Yep

no works.

they were NEVER saved

they did not have salvation then lost it

sorry bro. Your co it used attack of OSAS will fail because you do not understand it. Like you do not understand james

If you don't have Christian works you're not a Christian. Your Faith is DEAD!

James 2:26 (NKJV)
26 For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.

 

[kcnalp]

Whatever dude, I did not get off topic, I was on topic, the topic was osas. And that was what I was talking about

your attempt to attack me has failed

Stop playing the victim while YOU are attacking me because I point out the OSAS myth.
Written to Christians:
Philippians 2:12 (NKJV)
12 Therefore, my beloved, as you have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling;

 

[mailmandan]

Are you a troll or something?

I was wondering the same thing. He only seems interested in relentlessly attacking OSAS, creating straw man arguments and stirring up contention. Need to borrow this?

 

[kcnalp]

I was wondering the same thing. He only seems interested in relentlessly attacking OSAS, creating straw man arguments and stirring up contention. Need to borrow this?

Name calling is for those who are desperate and losing!

 

[mailmandan]

Name calling is for those who are desperate and losing!

Pot calling the kettle black and you have no sense of humor.

 

[kcnalp]

Pot calling the kettle black and you have no sense of humor.

I have a sense of humor, just not when someone is trying to lead me to Hell with OSAS.

 

[mailmandan]

I have a sense of humor, just not when someone is trying to lead me to Hell with OSAS.

There is nothing humorous about your straw man arguments or your relentless attacks against OSAS.
So you are saying those who believe OSAS are going to hell?

 

[Eternally Grateful]

If you don't have Christian works you're not a Christian. Your Faith is DEAD!

James 2:26 (NKJV)
26 For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.

If you try to get saved by works, your night a christian, your trying to earn salvation by your deeds

the topic is osas. Not what a christian does after he is saved,

 

[kcnalp]

So you are saying those who believe OSAS are going to hell?

Some, absolutely! The OP quote proves OSAS is a license to sin.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Stop playing the victim while YOU are attacking me because I point out the OSAS myth.
Written to Christians:
Philippians 2:12 (NKJV)
12 Therefore, my beloved, as you have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling;

Your pointing out your complete lack of understanding of what OSAS is. The myth is your lack of understanding, not the doctrine itself

Philippians is talking about working out the salvation you have not working to earn salvation

another passage out of c text to,support you illogical hate of a doctrine you do not understand