No need for any confusion on this issue....1john 4:15.....”Whoever declares that Jesus is the Son of God , God abides in Him and he in God”
new version of OSAS?
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No need for any confusion on this issue....1john 4:15.....”Whoever declares that Jesus is the Son of God , God abides in Him and he in God”
I said I wouldn't teach OSAS as foundation...
Because....I know how many hear it...and understand from that box....
I would teach Someone to Put their confidence in Jesus who has control over everything. Because in Him they will find everything they need for this life including forgiveness of sin.
What I see for many is The OSAS doctrine starts off with Justification before one has been regenerated......
But are your sins forgiven before you are born from above? Or are you born from above then your sins forgiven...
But look what scripture says...the will of God is everyone that looks to the son and believes[puts trust in] will have life and be raised on the last day...don't quote me...
And
Gal 2:16
16 Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.
It's the location...I am speaking about..
GOD ALREADY HAD A PLAN...."Jesus"
So anyone found in Christ is presdestined to comform to His images....
Ferris Bueller
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The completed ministry of Christ. As opposed to the incomplete ministry of the Levites.
by Dr. Harry A. Ironside (1876-1951)
"Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the Gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand; by which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain. For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; and that He was buried, and that He rose again the third day according to the scriptures" (1st Corinthians 15:1-4).
It might seem almost a work of supererogation to answer a question like this. We hear the word, "Gospel" used so many times. People talk of this and of that as being "as true as the Gospel," and I often wonder what they really mean by it.
First I should like to indicate what it is not.
THE GOSPEL IS...
Not The Bible
"The wicked shall be turned into Hell with all the nations that forget God." That is in the Bible, and it is terribly true; but it is not Gospel.
"It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God." That is in the Bible, but it is not the Gospel.
Our English word, "gospel" just means the "good spell," and the word "spell," is the old Anglo-Saxon word for, "tidings", the good tidings, the good news. The original word translated. "Gospel," which we have taken over into the English with little alteration is the word, "evangel," and it has the same meaning, the good news. The Gospel is God's good news for sinners. The Bible contains the Gospel, but there is a great deal in the Bible which is not Gospel.
Not The Commandments
The Gospel is not just any message from God telling man how he should behave. "What is the Gospel?" I asked a man this question some time ago, and he answered, "Why I should say it is the Ten Commandments and the Sermon on the Mount, and I think if a man lives up to them he is all right." Well, I fancy he would be; but did you ever know anybody who lived up to them? The Sermon on the Mount demands a righteousness which no unregenerate man has been able to produce. The law is not the Gospel; it is the very antitheses of the Gospel. In fact, the law was given by God to show men their need of the Gospel .
"The law," says the Apostle Paul, speaking as a Jewish convert, "was our schoolmaster to bring us to Christ. But after that Christ is come we are no longer under the schoolmaster."
Not Repentance
The Gospel is not a call to repentance, or to amendment of our ways, to make restitution for past sins, or to promise to do better in the future. These things are proper in their place, but they do not constitute the Gospel; for the Gospel is not good advice to be obeyed, it is good news to be believed. Do not make the mistake then of thinking that the Gospel is a call to duty or a call to reformation, a call to better your condition, to behave yourself in a more perfect way than you have been doing in the past.
Not Giving Up The World
Nor is the Gospel a demand that you give up the world, that you give up your sins, that you break off bad habits, and try to cultivate good ones. You may do all these things, and yet never believe the Gospel and consequently never be saved at all.
THERE ARE SEVEN DESIGNATIONS OF THE GOSPEL in the New Testament, but over and above all these, let me draw your attention to the fact that when this blessed message is mentioned, it is invariably accompanied by the definite article. Over and over and over again in the New Testament we read of the Gospel. It is the Gospel not a Gospel. People tell us there are a great many different Gospels; but there is only ONE. When certain teachers came to the Galatians and tried to turn them away from the simplicity that was in Christ Jesus by teaching "another Gospel, "the apostle said that it was a different gospel, but not another; for there is none other than the Gospel. It is downright exclusive; it is God's revelation to sinful man.
Not Comparative Religion
The scholars of this world talk of the Science of Comparative Religions, and it is very popular now-a-days to say, "We cannot any longer go to heathen nations and preach to them as in the days gone by, because we are learning that their religions are just as good as ours, and the thing to do now is to share with them, to study the different religions, take the good out of them all, and in this way lead the world into a sense of brotherhood and unity."
So in our great universities and colleges men study this Science of Comparative Religions, and they compare all these different religious systems one with another. There is a Science of Comparative Religions, but the Gospel is not one of them. All the different religions in the world may well be studied comparatively, for at rock bottom they are all alike; they all set men at trying to earn his own salvation. They may be called by different names, and the things that men are called to do maybe different in each case, but they all set men trying to save their own souls and earn their way into the favor of God. In this they stand in vivid contrast with the Gospel, for the Gospel is that glorious message that tells us what God has done for us in order that guilty sinners maybe saved.
Ferris Bueller
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I personally don't have those thoughts. Some Christians may, though. But I am being humble and not arrogant or conceited about my place in the tree. Just as Paul tells us believers to be.
Ferris Bueller
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There is no difference.
But in teaching that someone who is reborn may become un-reborn attacks the pure faith of God's children.
Much love!
Ferris Bueller
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Ferris Bueller
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Jesus is the Gosple? Do you agree?by Dr. Harry A. Ironside (1876-1951)
"Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the Gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand; by which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain. For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; and that He was buried, and that He rose again the third day according to the scriptures" (1st Corinthians 15:1-4).
It might seem almost a work of supererogation to answer a question like this. We hear the word, "Gospel" used so many times. People talk of this and of that as being "as true as the Gospel," and I often wonder what they really mean by it.
First I should like to indicate what it is not.
THE GOSPEL IS...
Not The Bible
In the first place, the Gospel is not the Bible. Often when I inquire, "What do you think the Gospel is?" people reply, "Why, it is the Bible, and the Bible is the Word of God." Undoubtedly the Bible is the Word of God, but there is a great deal in that Book that is not Gospel.
"The wicked shall be turned into Hell with all the nations that forget God." That is in the Bible, and it is terribly true; but it is not Gospel.
"It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God." That is in the Bible, but it is not the Gospel.
Our English word, "gospel" just means the "good spell," and the word "spell," is the old Anglo-Saxon word for, "tidings", the good tidings, the good news. The original word translated. "Gospel," which we have taken over into the English with little alteration is the word, "evangel," and it has the same meaning, the good news. The Gospel is God's good news for sinners. The Bible contains the Gospel, but there is a great deal in the Bible which is not Gospel.
Not The Commandments
The Gospel is not just any message from God telling man how he should behave. "What is the Gospel?" I asked a man this question some time ago, and he answered, "Why I should say it is the Ten Commandments and the Sermon on the Mount, and I think if a man lives up to them he is all right." Well, I fancy he would be; but did you ever know anybody who lived up to them? The Sermon on the Mount demands a righteousness which no unregenerate man has been able to produce. The law is not the Gospel; it is the very antitheses of the Gospel. In fact, the law was given by God to show men their need of the Gospel .
"The law," says the Apostle Paul, speaking as a Jewish convert, "was our schoolmaster to bring us to Christ. But after that Christ is come we are no longer under the schoolmaster."
Not Repentance
The Gospel is not a call to repentance, or to amendment of our ways, to make restitution for past sins, or to promise to do better in the future. These things are proper in their place, but they do not constitute the Gospel; for the Gospel is not good advice to be obeyed, it is good news to be believed. Do not make the mistake then of thinking that the Gospel is a call to duty or a call to reformation, a call to better your condition, to behave yourself in a more perfect way than you have been doing in the past.
Not Giving Up The World
Nor is the Gospel a demand that you give up the world, that you give up your sins, that you break off bad habits, and try to cultivate good ones. You may do all these things, and yet never believe the Gospel and consequently never be saved at all.
THERE ARE SEVEN DESIGNATIONS OF THE GOSPEL in the New Testament, but over and above all these, let me draw your attention to the fact that when this blessed message is mentioned, it is invariably accompanied by the definite article. Over and over and over again in the New Testament we read of the Gospel. It is the Gospel not a Gospel. People tell us there are a great many different Gospels; but there is only ONE. When certain teachers came to the Galatians and tried to turn them away from the simplicity that was in Christ Jesus by teaching "another Gospel, "the apostle said that it was a different gospel, but not another; for there is none other than the Gospel. It is downright exclusive; it is God's revelation to sinful man.
Not Comparative Religion
The scholars of this world talk of the Science of Comparative Religions, and it is very popular now-a-days to say, "We cannot any longer go to heathen nations and preach to them as in the days gone by, because we are learning that their religions are just as good as ours, and the thing to do now is to share with them, to study the different religions, take the good out of them all, and in this way lead the world into a sense of brotherhood and unity."
So in our great universities and colleges men study this Science of Comparative Religions, and they compare all these different religious systems one with another. There is a Science of Comparative Religions, but the Gospel is not one of them. All the different religions in the world may well be studied comparatively, for at rock bottom they are all alike; they all set men at trying to earn his own salvation. They may be called by different names, and the things that men are called to do maybe different in each case, but they all set men trying to save their own souls and earn their way into the favor of God. In this they stand in vivid contrast with the Gospel, for the Gospel is that glorious message that tells us what God has done for us in order that guilty sinners maybe saved.
And the Kingdom is NOW made available through believing who He is with the intent to follow.
I don't know what all others think.
Let's talk about justification.
I understand Justification as being when God renders someone righteous. This means judicially righteous as well as ontologically righteous. We are justified by being immersed into Jesus' death, which goes beyond the declaration of righteousness given to those in the OT. Being immersed into Jesus' death, we share His death, satisfying the requirement of righteousness, that having sinned, we must die, because sin is death. We likewise share His resurrection, being raised ourselves to new life. This is our rebirth, as we become a new person by virtue of Jesus Himself indwelling us.
We are recreated sharing God's pattern, while once we had shared Adam's pattern. We were fleshy sons of Adam, now we've become spirit children of God. Once our location was on earth with the other fleshy children of Adam. Now we are seated in the heavenlies with Christ.
Being united to Christ there is no place for sin, not even a little bit. Sin resides in the fleshy child of Adam, not the spirit child of God.
Our lives are now for discipleship, as God trains us to think the new way, in our freedom from sin. The old man with his old mind sounds like me, because that WAS me. I need to get clear what thoughts are of the fleshy man from Adam, and what thoughts are the spiritual thoughts from the Holy Spirit.
When I choose to deny the fleshy thoughts, this is to deny the flesh, and to deny sin. When we choose to live according to our new life, trusting Jesus for that ability, this is to walk in the Spirit, within which the Holy Spirit will produce in me the love and joy and peace and self-control and all the rest, not by my effort, but by my trusting.
God's will for your is not a list of things, it's a Person, Jesus. Enforcing you to a list of things doesn't change you, conforming you the Christ will have you doing all things well.
Much love!
Ferris Bueller
Well-Known Member
THE GOSPEL:
32“We tell you the good news: What God promised our ancestors 33he has fulfilled for us, their children, by raising up Jesus.
38“Therefore, my friends, I want you to know that through Jesus the forgiveness of sins is proclaimed to you. 39Through him everyone who believes is set free from every sin, a justification you were not able to obtain under the law of Moses. Acts 13:32-39
38“Therefore, my friends, I want you to know that through Jesus the forgiveness of sins is proclaimed to you. 39Through him everyone who believes is set free from every sin, a justification you were not able to obtain under the law of Moses. Acts 13:32-39
The problem is everyone who may believe they are born again by saying some words may not be born again......But if they say they are born again...and they seek to find ways to get over...is anyone going to believe they are? Matter of fact, will they even believe they are...?
There is definitely a difference...
Well if they have yet to be born....and you are ascribing to them that they are born and then tell them that they are always saved...lol then
You have the mess we are in now... mean "Christians" etc
Ferris Bueller
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Exactly. That's why I think Osas, the 'new' Osas, is the doctrine that destroys the visible church in this end time. It's got people believing they are saved, and always saved, when they are really not saved at all and woefully unprepared to stand before him in judgment.
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