new version of OSAS?

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Well, apparently there are some who does not realize that, for while they are aware that God disciplines any and all of His erring children, they realize not it is not the illegitimate ones that He disciplines. And they fail to realize that God disciplines them for their good, and God will not fail nor will He give up until He had accomplished His purpose in doing so.

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You know, I think about this whole idea that we "have to keep ourselves believing" so we can be "kept saved", and yet, is there all this doubt about God's ability to disciple us?

Are we really being encouraged to think that while God might fail us, we must not fail ourselves?

God will NEVER fail us! Never! I mean seriously! Who are we talking about here? He's the Creator of all, Who designed how everything works. This stands His instructions and His teaching on it's head!

Sure! Don't trust God to keep His word, just trust yourself to keep your faith?

No. We can trust God.

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That’s right, Jesus Christ is Lord, the one and only Savior of man from sin and death, and from all there is that is evil. For there are not two Lords, but one. There are not two saviors but one. There are not two King of Israel but one. There are not two King of Kings but one. There are not two Lord of Lords but one. There are not two creators but one. There are not two who sustains all things but one. And so on….

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Good point . . . only one King of Kings!

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Hard to imagine the Lord Jesus Christ speaking of building His church with false believers!
That's right. An unbeliever is, by definition, not a part of the church. But the new Osas says you can go back to unbelief and you are still saved, no matter what. This new Osas has Christ building his church with unbelievers.
 

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The Baptism in first Peter is contexualized to
Those that are saved already
Those told to keep a good conscience
Yes, I think so. Water baptism is a baptism for public identification with Christ. And for the receiving of power to be a witness for God. You can see how those two things kind of go hand in hand.
 
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This new Osas has Christ building his church with unbelievers.
You mean 'your new OSAS'. This thread is a great example of the Straw Man argument.

It really is interesting to me just how many logical fallacies present themselves in threads like this.

I've just realized I misunderstood you. It had seemed to me that you were saying the church Christ is building includes unbelievers, but I now realize that's not what you meant.

But no, "OSAS" does not have Christ building His church with unbelievers. Of course, "OSAS" is pretty much what you define it as, for the intents of this thread.

It's really become a plastic term, molded into whatever form the speaker wants it to be.

It seems to me upon reflection that this idea of those who will "choose to stop believing" and go on into re-death would mean that Jesus is building His church with living stones that will later crumble.

That's one of the values to me of a thread like this, an opportunity to consider various viewpoints and their implications to the rest of Scripture.

What kind of living temple is Jesus building? Stones that crumble? What kind of builder does that?

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Please don't leave, we need more like you.
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YES! As “SPRINGBOARDS” to help get the True Gospel Of “ Nothing But The Blood” out there! There’s bound to be many Newbies out there that have not been ruined by “ False ,Perverted Gospels” yet! We need to continue “USE” Dudes like him....
 
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God does not fail anybody. The failure lies in man, not God.
If God claims He will discipline His children, and that His discipline is for our profit, and that after being exercised by His discipline that the fruits of righteousness follow . . . and if in the face of this, the man is yet lost, then God most certainly DID fail him, failed to keep His promise.

If God promises to discipline those who are truly His children, and He promises that unlike the discipline from our flesh parents, His is for our good, and He promises that the fruits of righteousness will follow, then His children can believe this is true, and real, and that God will do this for them, and it will be effective EXACTLY as promised.

If a child of God is yet lost, the failure is God's, according to Hebrews 12. And of course Peter and Paul and John all attest to the same thing, that we are safe in the arms of Jesus.

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The believer is immersed in the Spirit of God where he dies and is raised to new life, the life of the Spirit, the life of Jesus. Water baptism is symbolic of this death of the believer, and his resurrection with Christ to new life.
But the anti type is
Yes, I think so. Water baptism is a baptism for public identification with Christ. And for the receiving of power to be a witness for God. You can see how those two things kind of go hand in hand.
I am not saying that 1 peter 3:21 is referring to water Baptism. But the cleansing of the conscience by his Life.
 

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Claiming to be born again is one thing, and having been born again is another. And one saying that it is okay to sin or do evil only manifest the truth or falsity of what he claims.

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I keep searching for this person that says it’s “ okay to sin”.....I have found them to be very elusive....if somebody could just offer up some proof....

As for now?......I guess I will go back to my endless search....
 

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We know a tree by its fruit...


And we all know there is nothing worse than self- Righteous “Fruit Inspectors”.... They sicken both the Saved and UNsaved people of the world....I know of one of these guys.....his name was Jimmy Swaggert.He condemned tobacco farmers to Hell while secretly cavorting with whores ....they are all the same...
 
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No, I was guilty of sin before I got saved. Jesus had not removed it, yet. Jesus died ahead of time as the propitiation for everyone's sin in anticipation of the day that I or anyone else may choose to have faith in that propitiation and receive forgiveness of sin at that time.



Pssssttttt.....( except it don’t count if any of these sins were “ Willful”......you left that part out...)
 
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I gave up talking to him. He will not listen he is another one who just throws baseless false accusations around because he does not know what others really believe


He has never been a Recipient of Grace..... Therefore he can never understand it.....it’s like explaining colors to a blind man....
 
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I apologize for not having your wisdom and knowledge in the things of God. The Strong's concordance or any concordance that can help my peanut brain with words I do not understand in the Greek or Hebrew is appreciated much.

The reason I asked you to read post #474 is because we gave the same Scripture response to the same poster, yet I was wrong according to you as you said above.

A Christian is supposed to be able to teach as well as to be able to be taght.

So teach me.

To God Be The Glory
I believe that you know the Lord and have a strong desire to learn more about Him, but honestly, I've never been a very good teacher. I have difficulty explaining things in simple terms and people have difficulty understanding. After teaching a Sunday school class one of the older deacons said that I was teaching at a seminary level but I should think more like 3rd grade level for the adult class. I found that very sad.
Since you know Him, you can ask Him for understanding and wisdom. God has promised to answer such prayer and there's nothing better than being taught by God except being used by Him to bring the lost sheep into the fold.
If you have questions I don't mind answering them, but the "trolls" on this site ask questions just so they can begin an argument and wear you down, try to make you respond in a carnal way and do damage to your testimony. So many serve Satan, but I'm inclined to give them the benefit of the doubt because the scripture tells us to do so. Even Peter received a sharp rebuke for trying to turn Christ from the cross because Peter's thinking was still very much carnal at the time and He hadn't yet received the Holy Spirit.
With the increasing numbers of novel interpretations of scripture being shared by people with poor understanding, I believe that it's far safer to just let the Lord keep His promises to the saints and this is one of them:
27 But the anointing which you have received from Him abides in you, and you do not need that anyone teach you; but as the same anointing teaches you concerning all things, and is true, and is not a lie, and just as it has taught you, you will abide in Him. 1 John 2:27
Those who haven't received Him don't have this promise, but I believe that you do. Just pray for understanding each time you open the scripture and pray for wisdom in applying it. These are prayers that God always responds to in the affirmative and fellowship with the Lord in study is always pleasant and good. If you do these things, you will be wiser than all your peers that are unwilling or too lazy to do so.
Just the same, if you are having difficulty with something, the staff on this site are all trustworthy souls and I'm sure that none of them will refuse to share their understanding as it is. Again, I don't mind answering sincere questions, but I don't follow the forums consistently. I've sometimes browsed topics here and involved myself in discussions out of boredom when I have too much time on my hands, but usually I only return to the site under the unction of the Holy Spirit (which is not too frequently) and usually during times of intense spiritual warfare (though I couldn't say if that warfare was with my personal struggles or someone else's. Preachers are first preaching to themselves and secondly preaching to others. The adversary is far more concerned with those doing the work of God, than those simply seated in the congregation so temptations and trials tend to be more frequent and more intense. The devil looks for opportunity even when our faith is strong and we can be an easy target when our confidence shifts to our own understanding.)
Trust in the Lord with all your heart, And lean not on your own understanding; In all your ways acknowledge Him, And He shall direct your paths. Proverbs 3:5-6
There is nothing safer than being in the center of God's will, and there is no greater joy than walking closely with the Lord, no greater exultation in our successes, no greater comfort in our failings and losses.
The Lord bless you, brother. Keep the faith.
 
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Pssssttttt.....( except it don’t count if any of these sins were “ Willful”......you left that part out...)
Your willful sins committed before you were saved are forgiven when you get saved. It's when you commit willful sins after you are saved that you're treading some dangerous territory. Unrepentant, willful sin is the sign of an unbeliever, not the believer.
 

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And we all know there is nothing worse than self- Righteous “Fruit Inspectors”.... They sicken both the Saved and UNsaved people of the world....I know of one of these guys.....his name was Jimmy Swaggert.He condemned tobacco farmers to Hell while secretly cavorting with whores ....they are all the same...
Yes, and we see what willful unrepentant sin got him. It found him out. Big time! I say that humbly, without arrogance or boasting, because even though I'm born again and Spirit filled I'm not done with the race yet.

...you stand by faith. Do not be arrogant, but tremble. Romans 11:20
 
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When he claims it is not that God has failed it is us, he is effect claiming it’s all up to himself, that he who began a good may not complete that work, only if we do our part. That’s not what the word says, it’s all on him, lest anyone should boast
I haven't talked to you much but from your posts it looked like you probably believed in free will.