new version of OSAS?

[Corlove13]

To be specific—- The Gospel is a Promise.....Jesus was God in the Flesh.....Jesus Sacrifice on the Cross made the Promise possible .....

The Kingdom is indeed NOW made available through Believing who He is......” the intent to follow” sounds good.....it IS good......it just ain’t part of the Gospel.....

The Heart of the Gospel is “ Jesus Saves”. NOT “ Jesus Saves—- BUT, your intentions must measure up! You must agree to “ Follow!” ( Whatever “that” means..... probably trying to make yourself “ Worthy” in some performance- Based manner , instead of reading we are “ MADE Worthy by the Blood Of The Lamb....it’s a Recipe for “ falling from Grace”...... and as always....it Sounds good....it tickles the ears to think that YOU did something other than simply Believe) The True Gospel is NOT what you do/did for God —— it’s what God did for you.That way, God gets ALL of the Glory and you get NONE.....just theWay He Wants it......human pride rejects God's Way....God’s Way is as simple as the song that millions of Hypocrites sing every Sunday—- “ Nothing But The Blood Of Jesus”.....NOT, “Nothing But The Blood plus your willingness and ability to follow Him.....good things for sure , but never forget that Salvation was a GIFT.....all you had to do was “ cash in” on what was already accomplished FOR you.....

I guess when you were baptize it wasn't with the intent to follow....

If you died with Christ?

The Gosple is Jesus and the availability of the kingdom...

But if you do not intend to follow the king then what would be the purpose of entering under his rule?

Anyway you are another one I'm going to ignore...Because you can know the intention of what someone is saying and pick...pieces out so you can make up an argument so that you can make yourself look good and boast as you won something...you are not here to learn And it just takes away from Christians uniting for the common good.....you too are divisive. That's why post get shut down...people fighting to look good and do anything to achieve it...

Peace

 

[Tong2020]

Well the good news would be meaningless if no one intended to trust it....

Why one intends to trust does not come from the natural (fallen) man, if only from his heart, which according to God Himself, is one which every intents is continually evil. Why one believes, is a working of God in and on the person. And it is not the same for every person that God saves. Though one thing is sure, it is the working of God and not of man.

There are people, many I think, by their own, that is, not a result of the working of God, appears to come to Jesus Christ and believe. And that is coming from many and various intentions. Intentions that could only be nothing but coming from his corrupted heart. Now, that is the person’s will and working. And if that is the case with a person, his so called coming to Christ and believing isn’t one that was out of God’s working. We know well by now what kind of believing is that. I would say that, it is in such persons that the idea that the true Christians could lose his salvation by his rejecting Jesus Christ at will and if they so will and choose to anytime they like, comes from. For so that is very real to them. And the reason why is obvious. For if they, by their own will and intent, without the working of God in them, were able to believe, they in like manner, are able to stop and believe no more.

Now for those who, as a result of the working of God in and on them, God having touched them or opened their hearts or have given them a new heart, have been drawn, have been fully convicted of sin, have been fully persuaded of the grace, truth and power of God, and of righteousness, and of judgment, that they believed in Jesus Christ, have no such thought, idea, or desire, and hold no such things.

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[Eternally Grateful]

Salvation is Life...it is to know God and Jesus.....and it is ungoing.....so when you stop....at one incident......you miss out...on the ungoing relationship...meaning how we relate to God...

It's also about deliverence from actual sin.
We are to grow in grace and in knowledge of Jesus....

This is what OSAS miss....because of what your foundation is built on....

This post shows you know absolutely nothing about those who believe in what you call OSAS.

sadly I fear your just fighting a term and not actually getting to know the people who believe that once you are saved (have eternal life) you are always saved (eternal life)

John says the knowledge of the fact we have eternal life (osas) is the base on which we continue to believe. And it is this faith and the power of God that gives us deliverance from the power of sin.

 

[Tong2020]

Well, to be fair I have met people who claim to be born again who have said it was "okay" to sin or do evil. Meaning it had no effect on their salvation.

Claiming to be born again is one thing, and having been born again is another. And one saying that it is okay to sin or do evil only manifest the truth or falsity of what he claims.

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[Corlove13]

Exactly. That's why I think Osas, the 'new' Osas, is the doctrine that destroys the visible church in this end time. It's got people believing they are saved, and always saved, when they are really not saved at all and woefully unprepared to stand before him in judgment.

Yes,

Why one intends to trust does not come from the natural (fallen) man, if only from his heart, which according to God Himself, is one which every intents is continually evil. Why one believes, is a working of God in and on the person. And it is not the same for every person that God saves. Though one thing is sure, it is the working of God and not of man.

There are people, many I think, by their own, that is, not a result of the working of God, appears to come to Jesus Christ and believe. And that is coming from many and various intentions. Intentions that could only be nothing but coming from his corrupted heart. Now, that is the person’s will and working. And if that is the case with a person, his so called coming to Christ and believing isn’t one that was out of God’s working. We know well by now what kind of believing is that. I would say that, it is in such persons that the idea that the true Christians could lose his salvation by his rejecting Jesus Christ at will and if they so will and choose to anytime they like, comes from. For so that is very real to them. And the reason why is obvious. For if they, by their own will and intent, without the working of God in them, were able to believe, they in like manner, are able to stop and believe no more.

Now for those who, as a result of the working of God in and on them, God having touched them or opened their hearts or have given them a new heart, have been drawn, have been fully convicted of sin, have been fully persuaded of the grace, truth and power of God, and of righteousness, and of judgment, that they believed in Jesus Christ, have no such thought, idea, or desire, and hold no such things.

Tong
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I like this quote:

Without me you can do nothing.

But it is also true that if we do nothing it will be without him.


Tong-Why one intends to trust does not come from the natural (fallen) man, if only from his heart, which according to God Himself, is one which every intents is continually evil.

And when one intends not to trust where does that come from?

 

[Eternally Grateful]

This is true that The word of God is true....
And we are Justified before others by what they see us do...We know a tree by the fruit it bears.
All these are scriptures..
Even the one you called an opinion...
For if we are to become the righteousness of God in Christ....How else do others know we are of God if it isn't by what we say and do.

It is also written
1 John 1-5 Whoever practices righteousness is righteous, as he is righteous.

Anyway enough of conversing with some of you....you do the same things I've seen you accuse others of...

None of it uplifts the hearers
And I do not want to take part in your ploy....so

Peace to you....time to ignore...so those of us who want to learn from each other can with the right heart....

Practice what you preach my friend,

you sit here and attack us, then get mad when we defend ourselves,

you do not want to learn what we believe, you think you already k ow. Yet every time you tell us what we do, YOUR WRONG

go ahead and run and ignore. That just shows me we are hitting a nerve, and that’s good. Because that’s what happened when one is exposed they run

 

[Corlove13]

This post shows you know absolutely nothing about those who believe in what you call OSAS.

sadly I fear your just fighting a term and not actually getting to know the people who believe that once you are saved (have eternal life) you are always saved (eternal life)

John says the knowledge of the fact we have eternal life (osas) is the base on which we continue to believe. And it is this faith and the power of God that gives us deliverance from the power of sin.

We know a tree by its fruit...

 

[Ferris Bueller]

Jesus already removed your sin and reconciled you to God, with or without your belief. He did that for you an enemy of God. Before repentance, before receiving Jesus.

No, I was guilty of sin before I got saved. Jesus had not removed it, yet. Jesus died ahead of time as the propitiation for everyone's sin in anticipation of the day that I or anyone else may choose to have faith in that propitiation and receive forgiveness of sin at that time.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

I guess when you were baptize it wasn't with the intent to follow....

If you died with Christ?

The Gosple is Jesus and the availability of the kingdom...

But if you do not intend to follow the king then what would be the purpose of entering under his rule?

Anyway you are another one I'm going to ignore...Because you can know the intention of what someone is saying and pick...pieces out so you can make up an argument so that you can make yourself look good and boast as you won something...you are not here to learn And it just takes away from Christians uniting for the common good.....you too are divisive. That's why post get shut down...people fighting to look good and do anything to achieve it...

Peace

And here you go slandering

the gospel is not how we live, it is God making us right with him so we have the ability to live.

John said one who sins has never seen God, whoever is born of God does not sin.

it is the true faith believers who obey, who walk on the spirit who do works. Make believers can do works, but they have no fruit because they have no faith,

 

[Eternally Grateful]

We know a tree by its fruit...

Yep we do

a true believer will have fruit,

the jews were the most righteous law abiding people on earth. Who lived by the works of thenlaw, Yet they produced no fruit and when their messiah came they crucified him.

what did all their good religious deeds get them? Nothing.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Claiming to be born again is one thing, and having been born again is another. And one saying that it is okay to sin or do evil only manifest the truth or falsity of what he claims.

Tong
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Who claims it is ok to sin!

I have never heard one person claim this,

 

[Corlove13]

Practice what you preach my friend,

you sit here and attack us, then get mad when we defend ourselves,

you do not want to learn what we believe, you think you already k ow. Yet every time you tell us what we do, YOUR WRONG

go ahead and run and ignore. That just shows me we are hitting a nerve, and that’s good. Because that’s what happened when one is exposed they run

You are on ignore too....
For you are not uplifting anyone...you win..!
Peace

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Yes,

I like this quote:

Without me you can do nothing.

But it is also true that if we do nothing it will be without him.


Tong-Why one intends to trust does not come from the natural (fallen) man, if only from his heart, which according to God Himself, is one which every intents is continually evil.

And when one intends not to trust where does that come from?

A true believer has already overcome the world.


1 John 5:4
4 For whatever is born of God overcomes the world. And this is the victory that has overcome the world—our faith.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

"Covers" would be what the animal sacrifices in the OT did with sins. They were covered, because the bloods of bulls and goats could not remove sins. Jesus did that with the offering of His body. But removed, not covered.

What the old covenant of priest and sacrifice could not remove was your propensity to sin. But it most surely forgave certain sins. But only for as long as to the next time you sinned, because the sacrifice you made before is long gone now, and the priest who offered it may not be around anymore, either.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

You are on ignore too....
For you are not uplifting anyone...you win..!
Peace

And your uplifting? Attacking people falsly.

go ahead and run.

 

[Tong2020]

Tong2020 said: ↑
Why one intends to trust does not come from the natural (fallen) man, if only from his heart, which according to God Himself, is one which every intents is continually evil. Why one believes, is a working of God in and on the person. And it is not the same for every person that God saves. Though one thing is sure, it is the working of God and not of man.

There are people, many I think, by their own, that is, not a result of the working of God, appears to come to Jesus Christ and believe. And that is coming from many and various intentions. Intentions that could only be nothing but coming from his corrupted heart. Now, that is the person’s will and working. And if that is the case with a person, his so called coming to Christ and believing isn’t one that was out of God’s working. We know well by now what kind of believing is that. I would say that, it is in such persons that the idea that the true Christians could lose his salvation by his rejecting Jesus Christ at will and if they so will and choose to anytime they like, comes from. For so that is very real to them. And the reason why is obvious. For if they, by their own will and intent, without the working of God in them, were able to believe, they in like manner, are able to stop and believe no more.

Now for those who, as a result of the working of God in and on them, God having touched them or opened their hearts or have given them a new heart, have been drawn, have been fully convicted of sin, have been fully persuaded of the grace, truth and power of God, and of righteousness, and of judgment, that they believed in Jesus Christ, have no such thought, idea, or desire, and hold no such things.

I like this quote:

Without me you can do nothing.

But it is also true that if we do nothing it will be without him.


Tong-Why one intends to trust does not come from the natural (fallen) man, if only from his heart, which according to God Himself, is one which every intents is continually evil.

And when one intends not to trust where does that come from?

Your question is coming from my post and is in the context of the natural (fallen) man. So I just like to make it clear that mu answer to your question is in that context.

You asked “And when one intends not to trust where does that come from?”

When the natural (fallen) man intends not to trust, it is coming from himself, his corrupted heart.

Tong
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[Corlove13]

Yep we do

a true believer will have fruit,

the jews were the most righteous law abiding people on earth. Who lived by the works of thenlaw, Yet they produced no fruit and when their messiah came they crucified him.

what did all their good religious deeds get them? Nothing.

What the old covenant of priest and sacrifice could not remove was your propensity to sin. But it most surely forgave certain sins. But only for as long as to the next time you sinned, because the sacrifice you made before is long gone now, and the priest who offered it may not be around anymore, either.

I can't say I understand all this in Hebrews...I read it the other day. But my spouse said it was merely a covering, but it did not take sin away.

 

[Tong2020]

Who claims it is ok to sin!

I have never heard one person claim this,

Ask @Ferris Bueller. I just reacted to that post of his.

Tong
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[Eternally Grateful]

Ask @Ferris Bueller. I just reacted to that post of his.

Tong
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I gave up talking to him. He will not listen he is another one who just throws baseless false accusations around because he does not know what others really believe

 

[Tong2020]

What the old covenant of priest and sacrifice could not remove was your propensity to sin. But it most surely forgave certain sins. But only for as long as to the next time you sinned, because the sacrifice you made before is long gone now, and the priest who offered it may not be around anymore, either.

Tong
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