Maybe.
Written to Christians:
Philippians 2:12 (NKJV)
12 Therefore, my beloved, as you have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling;
new version of OSAS?
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Written to Christians:
Philippians 2:12 (NKJV)
12 Therefore, my beloved, as you have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling;
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Only God can save us from our sins. Jesus saves.
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What must I do to be saved? I ain’t no “ spring chicken”—— we need to get this settled ASAP !
Eternally Grateful
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From the truth.
cant be they fell away from salvation
John said they NEVER KNEW GOD, and they have never overcome the world, through faith
Jesus said whoever has faith in him HAS ETERNAL LIFE, and Paul said they who were dead in sin has been made alive in Christ, been sealed by the spirit UNTIL the DAY OF REDEMPTION, and they we can be assured that he, GOD, who began a good work WILL COMPLETE IT.
your issue is you don’t understand never means never, eternal means eternal, until the day of Christ means until the day of Christ and will complete it means will complete it,
Yay! I can NEVER be unsaved because OSAS says so!
What a Satanic myth!
And now comes the OSAS judges to imply I have never been saved. lol
What a Satanic myth!
And now comes the OSAS judges to imply I have never been saved. lol
Eternally Grateful
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You don’t even know what we believe, you have proven that quite clearly with your own posts,
so judge not lest YE be judged my friend
Eternally Grateful
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Ferris Bueller
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Yes. The promises are for those who have faith in him, not for those who don't. This very important point is where the new Once saved always saved deviates from the old Once saved always saved. It has rejected the old Osas teaching that said the person who stops believing was never saved to begin with. The new Osas says the believer who stops believing remains saved in their unbelief.
Ferris Bueller
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The problem is you are not differentiating between the old and the new Osas. There are some Osas arguments that you don't believe. And that's because you believe in the original Osas, not the new Osas.
Ferris Bueller
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You know how to get saved. What you need to know is how to stay in the security of salvation.....
...since you already know these things, be on your guard so that you will not be carried away by the error of the lawless and fall from your secure standing. Jude 1:17
What a lie! He already admitted having a license to sin! YOU are the one deceiving him. But that's a perfect example of OSAS! OSASers don't even know why they preach OSAS! I think you're trying to convince each other. Alas OSAS is a total myth!
Hebrews 6:4-8 (NKJV)
4 For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted the heavenly gift, and have become partakers of the Holy Spirit (Christians), 5 and have tasted the good word of God and the powers of the age to come, 6 if they fall away, to renew them again to repentance, since they crucify again for themselves the Son of God, and put Him to an open shame. 7 For the earth which drinks in the rain that often comes upon it, and bears herbs useful for those by whom it is cultivated, receives blessing from God; 8 but if it bears thorns and briars, it is rejected and near to being cursed, whose end is to be burned.
Here is the real question....and if you can find a scripture...I will rethink my thinking?
Where in Scripture does it say...He saved us so that we can have heaven when we physically die?
And...in EPHESIANS 2:8 which we should
all go back and look at the context......what is the saving from?
If we look at what eternal life is....we will find it is about knowledge...intimate relationship...like and knew Eve.
Example a woman buys a purse from the thrift store not knowing that sewed inside of the lining there is diamond worth a million dollars. SHE POSSESSES THE DIAMOND BUT HAS NOT LAYED HOLD OF IT. FOR IF SHE LAYED HOLD OF IT SHE WOULD NOT NEED TO WORK ANY MORE...SHE WOULD BE ABUNDANTLY BLESSED AND TAKEN CARE OF.
IT IS KNOWLEGE OF THIS DIAMOND THAT ACTUALLY SAVES HER. NOT THE MERE POSSESSION OF IT.
THAT KNOWLEDGE COMES AS SHE DID THE WORK TO REPAIR THE LINING IN HER PURSE. FOR THEN SHE KNOWS WHAT SHE HAS.
Where in Scripture does it say...He saved us so that we can have heaven when we physically die?
And...in EPHESIANS 2:8 which we should
all go back and look at the context......what is the saving from?
If we look at what eternal life is....we will find it is about knowledge...intimate relationship...like and knew Eve.
Example a woman buys a purse from the thrift store not knowing that sewed inside of the lining there is diamond worth a million dollars. SHE POSSESSES THE DIAMOND BUT HAS NOT LAYED HOLD OF IT. FOR IF SHE LAYED HOLD OF IT SHE WOULD NOT NEED TO WORK ANY MORE...SHE WOULD BE ABUNDANTLY BLESSED AND TAKEN CARE OF.
IT IS KNOWLEGE OF THIS DIAMOND THAT ACTUALLY SAVES HER. NOT THE MERE POSSESSION OF IT.
THAT KNOWLEDGE COMES AS SHE DID THE WORK TO REPAIR THE LINING IN HER PURSE. FOR THEN SHE KNOWS WHAT SHE HAS.
TheslightestID
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Salvation is exactly what they fell away from, or will you please prove otherwise?
Eternally Grateful
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He never claimed any such thing, those are your words not his, you sir are a liar and bear false witness
Ferris Bueller
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Blood Bought 1953 said:
"If I died when I didn’t believe I would have gone to Heaven because there was One Time That I DID Believe.....that’s all it takes...."
Tares Reveal Themselves by what they DON’T Say...And They Are With us Here .How to Identify Them...
That's a license to sin!
Jostler
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Ferris Bueller
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Don't you know that Once saved always saved used to teach that the person who went back to unbelief and lived in sin was never really saved to begin with? It never claimed that you could go back to your old life of sin and back to unbelief and you remained saved. It said the truly saved person wasn't even capable of going back to his old life of sin and unbelief!
Osas comes from the 'P' in Calvin's TULIP teaching, the basis for all the reformed 'OSAS' churches. As you can see here, the new Osas is quite contrary to the old.....
From Perseverance of the saints - Wikipedia
Reformed doctrine
[...]
Calvinists also believe that all who are born again and justified before God necessarily and inexorably proceed to sanctification. Failure to proceed to sanctification in their view is considered by some as evidence that the person in question was never truly saved to begin with.[8]
Free Grace doctrine[edit]
The Free Grace or non-traditional Calvinist doctrine has been espoused by Charles Stanley, Norman Geisler, Zane C. Hodges, Bill Bright, and others. This view, like the traditional Calvinist view, emphasizes that people are saved purely by an act of divine grace that does not depend at all on the deeds of the individual, and for that reason (in contrary to Calvinism) insists that nothing the person can do can affect their salvation. In the Free Grace view, saints can fall away (stop persevering) in both conduct and faith yet remain eternally secure.
Eternally Grateful
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If this is true
1. They actually did know God, and a man born of God can sin, which means John lied
2. they were truly of us, again John lied
3. They had conditional life, not eternal life, Jesus lied
4. They were not sealed until the day of redemption, Paul lied
5. He who began a good work failed to complete it, again paul lied,
a lot of liars in scripture, I can post a lot more lies if what you say is true
Eternally Grateful
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