So, are Daniel 7:25 and Amos 8:11-12 related in prophecy?

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POST #267 [QUOTE="Ronald David Bruno, post: 1032195, member: 9416"]“Branches were broken off so that I might be grafted in.” vs. 19






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1 - What spirit is that from you? I did not say anything about "144k male virgins", you invented this .

2 - I never think what you did think that I did think. You said: "Don't ya think they would need 144k female virvins to repopulate the earth?There will be many more aavws than that" What spirit is that from you? Thats the spirit of CONFUSION. You invented this bullshit

3 - You are wrong completely. You say: "Two Witnesses prophesy and evangelize for 3 1/2 years with power in Jerusalem". What you are prophesying is false, its fake, its a lie.
Power is given now to the two witnesses
over waters -over peoples, and nations, and multitudes of all tongues- , to turn them to blood, and to smite the earth (earth here is Israel) with all plagues, as often as they will, when the COURT without the temple be trodden by the Gentiles, leaded and guided by the Beast of sea-the Papacy- according to the deal made between the two Man Beasts, the Pope and the false messiah of the Jews -Revelation 13:v.2-, sat on his throne as God in the great city of Jerusalem, spiritually called Sodom and Egypt. Terrible. Terrible. Revelation 11:v.3 and 6.

4 - You are wrong completely. You say: "Possibly Enoch and Elijah or Moses." Your supposition, or Presumptions, and conjectures, imaginations, speculations, opinions, mean nothing. Neither Enoch, nor Moses or Elijah, nor "the two Witnesses prophesy and evangelize for 3 1/2 years with power in Jerusalem." These things you have said are fake, are lies, they will never be fulfilled, but never, because are lies.

5 - Your are wrong completely. You say: "Wouldn't that get many Jews enlightened?" No, it is a lie. It is given to the two witnesses to turn them to blood, and to smite the earth (earth here is Israel) with all plagues, as often as they will, when the COURT without the temple be trodden by the Gentiles.

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No, Rev. 20 and Isaiah 65 and numerous others mentioned describe a Paradise reborn on earth, a new earth, without sin and evil for 1000 years.
Ron Revelation 20:1-6 below does not show a "paradise reborn on earth" as you claim, pinocchio's nose grew a foot on that claim

Millennialist start the conversation in Revelation 20:1-6 using the words 1,000 years, then drag the unsuspecting off to the old testament, to claim the Kingdom seen pertains to Rev 20:1-6, as pinocchio's nose continues to grow

You can repeat over and over that Revelation 20:1-6 has a reborn paradise on earth, it's a false claim, as pinocchio's nose grows again and again


Ron can you find the things claimed by those teaching a Literal 1,000 year Millennial Kingdom On This Earth in Revelation 20:1-6 below?

1.) Physical Earthly Kingdom?
2.) Physical Earthly Throne?
3.) Physical Mortal Humans?

The Above Claims (Don't Exist)?

Revelation 20:1-6 Is 100% In The Lords (Spiritual) Angel, Heaven, Devil, Satan, The Souls, The Dead, God, Christ?

100% Spiritual Realm, No "Literal" Time?

2 Peter 3:8KJV
8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

Revelation 20:1-6KJV
1 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.
2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,
3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.
4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
 
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I do believe the New Jerusalem (the new heaven) will replace the first earth and first heaven after it is destroyed _ after the Millennial Kingdom. 2 Peter 3:10 is that time when the earth and heavens burn in a fervent heat. What would be the point of Jesus returning to earth if He was just going to do that?
IF THE WHOLE EARTH IS COMPLETELY DESTROYED WITH FIRE WHEN HE RETURNS WHY WOULD GOD DETAIL ALL THE EVENTS IN THE SEALS, TRUMPETS, BOWLS? These events consist of not just fire, but pestilence, wars, famine, demonic scorpion/ locusts who torture man for 5 months, a worldwide earthquake that causes all structures, mountains and islands to level, super volcanic eruptions (Deut. 32:22). And then after all the destruction, Israel will take 7 months to bury the dead. (EZEK. 39:12)
You seem to skip over all that stuff. Where would they bury the dead? In the first earth - which is not destroyed until After the 1000 years.
Why would God go through all that if His judgment was total? The key is, THERE ARE TWO JUDGMENTS SEPARATED BY 1000 YEARS


Sure, Zech. 14:12 is a description of the effects of a nuclear/ neutron bomb: your flesh is burned and dissolved as you stand on your feet.
Reminds me of that scene at the end of Raiders Of the Lost Ark.


2 Peter 3:10 is not the Great Tribulation _ a 3 1/2 year period _ a time of stress like no other. A sudden blaze of fire that melts the elements is not exactly 1260 days of stress - that would be sudden, no time time to stress - minutes before death or seconds.


Absolutely. The New Jerusalem. Amazing, 1400 miles x 1400 miles x 1400 miles, streets of gold, pearly gates ...


Rev. 6:12. Either an eclipse, but most likely effects of the smoke from 1/3 of the planet being on fire. Blood moon happens periodically, this time, blocked by smoke. Stars are Sun's, huge, cannot actually fall to earth. This is probably meteor/ asteroid shower or missiles flying.
After the seals and trumpets, He returns at the 7th Trumpet and still more tribulation comes in the bowls of wrath. Notice in the SEALS, TRUMPETS and bowls, destruction is to mankind and only part of the earth. Part of mankind is killed by pestilence (as we will see soon), part by wars, part by famine, beasts of the earth (animals will go insane and start attacking humans); 1/3 of the planet in fire, 1/3 of the fish in the sea killed, 1/3 of the ships destroyed (probably from that worldwide earthquake and volcanic eruptions causing tsunamis)
See you point out "tribulation of those days" without even thinking if that conforms to your total annihilation of the earth with fire. Why all the drama in practically 13 chapters of the Bible, if He was just going to toast the earth in one blast?


Right, our works will be tested with fire -at the Great White Throne judgment. Only treasures in heaven matter, things eternal, not material.


That was two towns along NE Dead Sea where there is a history of volcanic activity. The Great Syrian African Rift (3500 miles long) goes right through there. It has many inactive and active volcanos.


Absolutely. To remove sin and evil from the earth, clean it up, make it livable for a 1000 years. It says Satan and his Antichrist is locked up for 1000 years, then jjdged and THEN Hades and Death are thrown intobthe LAKE OF FIRE AND DESTROYED - THAT IS HELL, MORE OF AN EVENT THEN A PLACE. THE PLACE IS EARTH BEING BURNED. That is 2 Pet. 3:10


I am familiar with all the end time prophecies. I wrote a book based on 570 of the most powerful scriptures in the Bible and dedicated four chapters to this very topic. It doesn't make me right, it just means I have done some serious research.


Consume = melt, dissolve as in burn quickly before your bones drop.
Effects of a nuclear or neutron bomb. Of course Christ could do this as well.
I think all of Isaiah 65 is to be taken literally. You discard verse 20 so easily cause it diesnt wirk with yiur view- "Oh, that one's symbolic, bla, bla, bla."
Ron, scripture below clearly teaches the fire takes place at the Lords, appearance, revealing, presence, not 1,000 years after this as you claim

Jesus Appears, Reveals, Immediately After The Tribulation, As Matthew 24:29-31 Teaches Below, (They Shall See The Son Of Man)


Ron The Lord "Appears" "Reveals" In Fire, The Earth And World Are Burned At His "Presence"

Ron There Will Be No 1,000 Year Millennial Kingdom Upon This Earth, Jesus Christ Returns In Fire And Final Judgement, Dissolving This Existing Earth By Fire, Immediately After The Tribulation.

This Existing Heaven And Earth Will Be (Replaced) By The New Heaven, Earth, Jerusalem, A New Creation, At The Return Of Jesus Christ

(Behold, I Make All Things New)


2 Peter 3:10-13KJV
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,
12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?
13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.

Revelation 21:1-5KJV
1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.
4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.
5 And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.

Matthew 24:29-30KJV
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

1 Corinthians 3:13KJV
13 Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.

Luke 17:29-30KJV
29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.
30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.


2 Thessalonians 1:7-9KJV
7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,
8 In flaming fire taking vengeance
on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:
9 Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;

Malachi 3:2KJV
2 But who may abide the day of his coming? and who shall stand when he appeareth? for he is like a refiner's fire, and like fullers' soap:

Psalm 46:6KJV
6 The heathen raged, the kingdoms were moved: he uttered his voice, the earth melted.

Psalm 50:3KJV
3 Our God shall come, and shall not keep silence: a fire shall devour before him, and it shall be very tempestuous round about him.

Psalm 97:5KJV
5 The hills melted like wax at the presence of the Lord, at the presence of the Lord of the whole earth.

Isaiah 66:15KJV
15 For, behold, the Lord will come with fire, and with his chariots like a whirlwind, to render his anger with fury, and his rebuke with flames of fire.

Zechariah 14:12KJV
12 And this shall be the plague wherewith the Lord will smite all the people that have fought against Jerusalem; Their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall consume away in their holes, and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth.

Nahum 1:5-6KJV
5 The mountains quake at him, and the hills melt, and the earth is burned at his presence, yea, the world, and all that dwell therein.
6 Who can stand before his indignation? and who can abide in the fierceness of his anger? his fury is poured out like fire, and the rocks are thrown down by him.

Revelation 20:9KJV
9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.
 
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a literal 1000 years where Christ will literally rule the earth in Jerusalem
Your claim Jesus will literally rule in Jerusalem "on this earth" is false, he warned his followers against this teaching, Jesus wont be found anywhere upon this earth as you claim

The Antichrist will be in Jerusalem, claiming to be Messiah Returned, "Beware"!

"Believe It Not" "Go Not Forth"

Matthew 24:23-27KJV

23 Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.
24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
25 Behold, I have told you before.
26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.
27 For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

Revelation 13:13-14KJV
13 And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men,
14 And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.

Revelation 19:20KJV
20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.
 
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Ron Revelation 20:1-6 below does not show a "paradise reborn on earth" as you claim, pinocchio's nose grew a foot on that claim

Millennialist start the conversation in Revelation 20:1-6 using the words 1,000 years, then drag the unsuspecting off to the old testament, to claim the Kingdom seen pertains to Rev 20:1-6, as pinocchio's nose continues to grow

You can repeat over and over that Revelation 20:1-6 has a reborn paradise on earth, it's a false claim, as pinocchio's nose grows again and again


Ron can you find the things claimed by those teaching a Literal 1,000 year Millennial Kingdom On This Earth in Revelation 20:1-6 below?

1.) Physical Earthly Kingdom?
2.) Physical Earthly Throne?
3.) Physical Mortal Humans?

The Above Claims (Don't Exist)?

Revelation 20:1-6 Is 100% In The Lords (Spiritual) Angel, Heaven, Devil, Satan, The Souls, The Dead, God, Christ?

100% Spiritual Realm, No "Literal" Time?

2 Peter 3:8KJV
8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

Revelation 20:1-6KJV
1 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.
2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,
3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.
4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
Pinocchio? Are you still watching cartoons? Okay then, I'll explain it in terms you can understand.
The Amillennial view is like "The Grinch Who Stole Christmas". You are the Grinch and us Millennialists are not vexed, just a little worn out, but more sad for you. David, Isaiah and John are all up there looking down and shaking their heads as they plead with the Holy Spirit to get through to you - to no avail.
Something happened to the Grinch in the end! Surprise, things will turn out different.
I can just see the Grinch playing with lions with a smile on his face. Get your camera ready!
 

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Pinocchio? Are you still watching cartoons? Okay then, I'll explain it in terms you can understand.
The Amillennial view is like "The Grinch Who Stole Christmas". You are the Grinch and us Millennialists are not vexed, just a little worn out, but more sad for you. David, Isaiah and John are all up there looking down and shaking their heads as they plead with the Holy Spirit to get through to you - to no avail.
Something happened to the Grinch in the end! Surprise, things will turn out different.
I can just see the Grinch playing with lions with a smile on his face. Get your camera ready!
Fact is the Grinch didnt steal Christmas, because Jesus Christ wasn't born on December 25th, a fabrication of man, just as a Millennial Kingdom on this earth is

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The Isaiah 65 and 11 both describe an earthly kingdom.
The Davidic Covenant was not revoked.
2 Sam. 7:16
Isaiah 2:4
ISAIAH 43:5-6
You quoted Zech. 14:12, but did you read the whole chapter? Verses 1-11, 16, 17 are important.
Look em up, getting worn out ... but not vexed!
Isaiah 2, 11, 65, represents the eternal kingdom, not a mortal Millennial kingdom on this earth, we have covered Isaiah 11 & 65 extensively we will disagree

Isaiah 2 shows the Kingdom after The Day Of The Lord, when man's breath will be taken from his nostrils, as it was given in creation

Isaiah 2:17-22KJV

17 And the loftiness of man shall be bowed down, and the haughtiness of men shall be made low: and the Lord alone shall be exalted in that day.
18 And the idols he shall utterly abolish.
19 And they shall go into the holes of the rocks, and into the caves of the earth, for fear of the Lord, and for the glory of his majesty, when he ariseth to shake terribly the earth.
20 In that day a man shall cast his idols of silver, and his idols of gold, which they made each one for himself to worship, to the moles and to the bats;
21 To go into the clefts of the rocks, and into the tops of the ragged rocks, for fear of the Lord, and for the glory of his majesty, when he ariseth to shake terribly the earth.
22 Cease ye from man, whose breath is in his nostrils: for wherein is he to be accounted of ?

Zechariah 14 is the Eternal Kingdom after The Day Of The Lord, the River of Life is present, with eternal light, also seen in Revelation 22:1-5

The Eternal Kingdom

Zechariah 14:1 & 6-8KJV
1 Behold, the day of the Lord cometh, and thy spoil shall be divided in the midst of thee.

6 And it shall come to pass in that day, that the light shall not be clear, nor dark:
7 But it shall be one day which shall be known to the Lord, not day, nor night: but it shall come to pass, that at evening time it shall be light.
8 And it shall be in that day, that living waters shall go out from Jerusalem; half of them toward the former sea, and half of them toward the hinder sea: in summer and in winter shall it be.

The Eternal Kingdom

Revelation 22:1-5KJV
And he shewed me a pure river of water of life, clear as crystal, proceeding out of the throne of God and of the Lamb.
2 In the midst of the street of it, and on either side of the river, was there the tree of life, which bare twelve manner of fruits, and yielded her fruit every month: and the leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations.
3 And there shall be no more curse: but the throne of God and of the Lamb shall be in it; and his servants shall serve him:
4 And they shall see his face; and his name shall be in their foreheads.
5 And there shall be no night there; and they need no candle, neither light of the sun; for the Lord God giveth them light: and they shall reign for ever and ever.
 
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I can just see the Grinch playing with lions with a smile on his face. Get your camera ready!
Ron in your disagreement, you have myself aa the Grinch playing with lions, this went way over my head, please explain?
 

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Israel will take 7 months to bury the dead. (EZEK. 39:12)
You seem to skip over all that stuff. Where would they bury the dead? In the first earth - which is not destroyed until After the 1000 years."
The battle seen in Ezekiel 39 was fought long ago, as Nebuchadrezzar King of Babylon killed those of Meshech/Tubal while he conquered Kingdoms, while Israel was in the Captivity

The tribe of Judah left behind would be those seen burning the "Historical" wooden weapons of warfare, shields, bucklers, bows, arrows, handstaves, spears, up in smoke long ago

Teaching that the events in Ezekiel 39 are future unfulfilled world be in grave "Error"

Ezekiel 39:1 & 9-12KJV

1 Therefore, thou son of man, prophesy against Gog, and say, Thus saith the Lord God; Behold, I am against thee, O Gog, the chief prince of Meshech and Tubal:

9 And they that dwell in the cities of Israel shall go forth, and shall set on fire and burn the weapons, both the shields and the bucklers, the bows and the arrows, and the handstaves, and the spears, and they shall burn them with fire seven years:
10 So that they shall take no wood out of the field, neither cut down any out of the forests; for they shall burn the weapons with fire: and they shall spoil those that spoiled them, and rob those that robbed them, saith the Lord God.
11 And it shall come to pass in that day, that I will give unto Gog a place there of graves in Israel, the valley of the passengers on the east of the sea: and it shall stop the noses of the passengers: and there shall they bury Gog and all his multitude: and they shall call it The valley of Hamongog.
12 And seven months shall the house of Israel be burying of them, that they may cleanse the land.

Ezekiel 32:11 & 26-28KJV
11 For thus saith the Lord God; The sword of the king of Babylon shall come upon thee.

26 There is Meshech, Tubal, and all her multitude: her graves are round about him: all of them uncircumcised, slain by the sword, though they caused their terror in the land of the living.
27 And they shall not lie with the mighty that are fallen of the uncircumcised, which are gone down to hell with their weapons of war: and they have laid their swords under their heads, but their iniquities shall be upon their bones, though they were the terror of the mighty in the land of the living.
28 Yea, thou shalt be broken in the midst of the uncircumcised, and shalt lie with them that are slain with the sword.
 
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That was two towns along NE Dead Sea where there is a history of volcanic activity. The Great Syrian African Rift (3500 miles long) goes right through there. It has many inactive and active volcanos.
Your response to Luke 17:29-30, how can this be taken seriously Ron, in total disregard of the fire and destruction seen in Genesis 19 and that seen at the Lords future revealing, washed away in convenient symbolic allegory in volcanoes and volcanic activity, "Smiles"

Luke 17:29-30KJV

29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.
30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.

Genesis 19:24-25KJV
24 Then the Lord rained upon Sodom and upon Gomorrah brimstone and fire from the Lord out of heaven;
25 And he overthrew those cities, and all the plain, and all the inhabitants of the cities, and that which grew upon the ground.
 
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Ron in your disagreement, you have myself aa the Grinch playing with lions, this went way over my head, please explain?
Lol, just messing with you. You insinuated that I was Pinocchio. Well, you're the Grinch who stole the Millennial Kingdom. The big surprise will be when The Grinch is living happily on earth in the Millennial Kingdom and playing with lions, tigers and bears.
At this point we only have humor left, we've reached an impasse.
Take care.
PS: I wonder if the Parson is worn out from having his OP derailed or vexed?
 
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Lol, just messing with you. You insinuated that I was Pinocchio. Well, you're the Grinch who stole the Millennial Kingdom. The big surprise will be when The Grinch is living happily on earth in the Millennial Kingdom and playing with lions, tigers and bears.
At this point we only have humor left, we've reached an impasse.
Take care.
Ok got it, I dont mind kidding in jest whatsoever, no thin skin here, just couldn't place the lion with the tigers and bears in Oz's kingdom, smiles

The thread was pretty much at a stand still when I responded, I believe Parson is giving yourself and others a chance to understand the fictitious foundations in a future Millennial Kingdom on this earh?
 
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All righty then.

Well, Lord JESUS left very clear, saying: Matthew 12:v.34-37

36 But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment.

37 For by thy words thou shalt be justified, and by thy words thou shalt be condemned.

34 O generation of vipers, how can ye, being evil, speak good things? for out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaketh.

35 A good man out of the good treasure of the heart bringeth forth good things: and an evil man out of the evil treasure bringeth forth evil things.

Matthew 15:v.13

Every plant, which my heavenly Father hath not planted, shall be rooted up. - This prophecy of the LORD will fulfil LITERALLY in this beginning of this current millennium, the seventh and last millennium. JESUS is seated on His Throne, the Judgment Seat of Christ, and will execute literally His words though He be invisible for now. JESUS needs not to be visible to execute His words.

John 5:v.26-27

26 For as the Father hath life in Himself; so hath He given to the Son to have life in Himself;
27 And hath given Him authority to execute Judgment also, because He is the Son of man.

Get ready




 

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Every plant, which my heavenly Father hath not planted, shall be rooted up. - This prophecy of the LORD will fulfil LITERALLY in this beginning of this current millennium, the seventh and last millennium. JESUS is seated on His Throne, the Judgment Seat of Christ, and will execute literally His words though He be invisible for now. JESUS needs not to be visible to execute His words.

you say this is a futuristic event that applies to future peoples. What of those for the last two millennia?
 

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Ron can you find the things claimed by those teaching a Literal 1,000 year Millennial Kingdom On This Earth in Revelation 20:1-6 below?

1.) Physical Earthly Kingdom?
2.) Physical Earthly Throne?
3.) Physical Mortal Humans?

The Above Claims (Don't Exist)?
Wow, you don't give up. I only gave you a few scriptures describing the Millennial Kingdom.
Jesus said he would not drink wine again until His Kingdom literally came: Matthew 26:27-29
One of the reasons the Jews did not except Jesus was because they misunderstood the Messianic prophecies, which were divided into two separate times. They thought - as well as the disciples, that He was going to establish His Kingdom, physically. He establishesd it spiritually - but would return again and establish it physically, as Kkng of the entire earth. The Pharisees thought He would come in power and glory, not on a donkey.
The Father said to the Son,
"Ask of me and I will make nations your heritage and the ends of the earth your possession." Psalm 2:8

Psalm 46:8 describes the desolation the Lord has made on the earth after the Great Tribulation. Verse 9 says He makes war end in all the earth.

Ezek.37:1-14 is a conversation between the Father and the Son about the Valley of Dry Bones, of which the resurrection of the dead is described. He puts flesh on the bones and brings them to life and they stand on their feet.
These Resurrected dead souls are the HOUSE OF ISRAEL
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>>>Now this is key, pay attention.
What happens right after the resurrection? Verse 14 says, He puts His Spirit in them and places them in their land. TO LIVE IN IT NOT TORCH IT.


In Ezek. 34:25-29 His Earthly Kingdom is established with a COVENANT OF PEACE, CAUSING EVIL BEASTS TO CEASE ... SAFETY IN THE LAND OF ZION ... no more a prey to heathen, no more famine.

Jer. 31:12-14 speaks of people coming to ZION, singing, satisfied for what the Lord has done.

Micah 4:1-7 In the last days the mountain of the "house of the LORD" is established. Nations of people flow to it ... "Come let us go to the Mountain of the Lord ... and He will teach us His ways.
Where is that? On earth, Zion in Jerusalem. Peace on earth. Everyone on earth shall know the LORD. "The LORD will reign over them in mount Zion..."

Is. 9:7 speaks of His government _ peace on earth _ upon the THRONE OF DAVID.

Isaiah 35:1-10 The earth groaned prior to this, but now the wilderness is glad, the desert rejoices and blossums with the GLORY of the LORD with healing. They ransomed of the LORD shall return and come to Zion with songs and everlasting joy.

Hoses 2:18 "A covenant with the beasts of the field, the fowls of heaven and with the creeping things of the ground ..." This is on earth. Jesus will not only put an end to wars but establish peace among the animal kingdom


Joel 3:17-18 Jesus will dwell in Zion
"For the earth will be filled with the knowledge of the glory of the LORD." Hab. 2:14
"... He will oroclaim leace to the nations. His rule will extend from seas to sea".
Zech. 9:10

100% Spiritual Realm, No "Literal" Time?
The SPIRITUAL realm has no literal time, correct.

Your response to Luke 17:29-30, how can this be taken seriously Ron, in total disregard of the fire and destruction seen in Genesis 19
He caused fire to come down from heaven. But this does not negate that God also uswd naturalnforces to accomplish His destruction. He will use both super-natural and natural causes in His wrath.

Luke 17:29-30KJV
29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.
30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.
True but fire and brimstone come from beneath the earth as well, volcanos. God has used these as well and I just pointed out that the whole area of the Dead Sea has a history of volcanic activity.
What happened to the sons of Korah who rebelled? (Numbers 16:31-35)
 

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The SPIRITUAL realm has no literal time, correct.
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Ron You agree the Spiritual realm has no literal earthly time, I agree

However you claim the spiritual realm seen below in Revelation 20:1-6 below, is a future literal kingdom on this earth, in literal earthly time of 1,000 years, where a literal Jesus sits on a literal throne in Jerusalem, with literal mortal humans being present?


Ron can you find the things claimed by those teaching a Literal 1,000 year Millennial Kingdom On This Earth in Revelation 20:1-6 below?

1.) Physical Earthly Kingdom?
2.) Physical Earthly Throne?
3.) Physical Mortal Humans?

The Above Claims (Don't Exist)?

Revelation 20:1-6 Is 100% In The Lords (Spiritual) Angel, Heaven, Devil, Satan, The Souls, The Dead, God, Christ?

100% Spiritual Realm, No "Literal" Time?

2 Peter 3:8KJV
8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

Revelation 20:1-6KJV
1 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.
2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,
3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.
4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
 
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He caused fire to come down from heaven. But this does not negate that God also uswd naturalnforces to accomplish His destruction. He will use both super-natural and natural causes in His wrath.

True but fire and brimstone come from beneath the earth as well, volcanos. God has used these as well and I just pointed out that the whole area of the Dead Sea has a history of volcanic activity.
What happened to the sons of Korah who rebelled? (Numbers 16:31-35)
Ron Gods words are clear and easy to understand, Sodom and Gomorrah were destroyed by fire and brimstone that came from the Lord out of heaven, as you take a naturalistic journey in volcanoes and volcanic activity being symbolic of the words (From The Lord Out Of Heaven) Pinocchio's nose is growing again Ron

(Destroyed Them All) Not Some, "All" When The Lord Is Revealed


In Love, Jesus Is The Lord

Luke 17:29-30KJV
29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.
30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.

Genesis 19:13 & 24-25KJV
13 For we will destroy this place, because the cry of them is waxen great before the face of the Lord; and the Lord hath sent us to destroy it.

24 Then
the Lord rained upon Sodom and upon Gomorrah brimstone and fire from the Lord out of heaven;
25 And he overthrew those cities, and all the plain, and all the inhabitants of the cities, and that which grew upon the ground.

Perhaps Elijah had a little help from volcanic activity toooo?

2 Kings 1:12KJV

12 And Elijah answered and said unto them, If I be a man of God, let fire come down from heaven, and consume thee and thy fifty. And the fire of God came down from heaven, and consumed him and his fifty.
 
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Well, Lord JESUS left very clear, saying: Matthew 15:v.13

36 But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment.

37 For by thy words thou shalt be justified, and by thy words thou shalt be condemned.

34 O generation of vipers, how can ye, being evil, speak good things? for out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaketh.

35 A good man out of the good treasure of the heart bringeth forth good things: and an evil man out of the evil treasure bringeth forth evil things.

Matthew 15:v.13

Every plant, which my heavenly Father hath not planted, shall be rooted up. - This prophecy of the LORD will fulfil LITERALLY in this beginning of this current millennium, the seventh and last millennium. JESUS is seated on His Throne, the Judgment Seat of Christ, and will execute literally His words though He be invisible for now. JESUS needs not to be visible to execute His words.

John 5:v.26-27

26 For as the Father hath life in Himself; so hath He given to the Son to have life in Himself;
27 And hath given Him authority to execute Judgment also, because He is the Son of man.

Get ready


you say this is a futuristic event that applies to future peoples. What of those for the last two millennia?

You are saying that, not me. Human conceptions like yours have nothing to do with the words of the LORD JESUS, but they go in the way the Devil likes.

The revealed Word of God is from everlasting to everlasting. The Word is GOD.

Matthew 25
31 When the Son of man shall come in His glory, ...
32 And before Him shall be gathered all nations,
and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:
41 Then shall He say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the Devil and his messengers.

Matthew 13:v.40-43
40 As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the END of this world.
(world of Devil)

41 The Son of man shall send forth His messengers, and THEY shall gather out of His kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity;
42 And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.

43 Then (only then) shall the righteous shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. Who hath ears to hear, let him hear.

 

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You are saying that, not me. Human conceptions like yours have nothing to do with the words of the LORD JESUS, but they go in the way the Devil likes.

The revealed Word of God is from everlasting to everlasting. The Word is GOD.

Matthew 25
31 When the Son of man shall come in His glory, ...
32 And before Him shall be gathered all nations,
and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:
41 Then shall He say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the Devil and his messengers.

Matthew 13:v.40-43
40 As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the END of this world.
(world of Devil)

41 The Son of man shall send forth His messengers, and THEY shall gather out of His kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity;
42 And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.

43 Then (only then) shall the righteous shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. Who hath ears to hear, let him hear.
It may help you to research the 70 nations of Israel. Least then you wouldn’t be so narrow minded, or at least stop posting ugly messages.
 

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... the night cometh, when no man can work. John 9:v.4
Today is May 27, 2021 - Daniel 7:v.25 is still in the future, it means the prophecy will still be fulfilled in the near future, I mean in this current decade - 2020-2030.


The period "until a time and times and the dividing of time" refers to Revelation 11:v.1-2 (1,260 days or 42 months) and Revelation 13:v.5 (42 months or 1,260 days) , and this period is LITERALLY the FIRST half of the last week - the 70th of Daniel 9:v.27 - whose period will be ruled by the Man Beast of sea- the Pope- to whom the dragon - the Man Beast of earth-Revelation 13:v.11 -
will give his Power, and his Throne (in JERUSALEM called Sodom and Egypt-Revelation 11:v.8), and great Authority-Revelation 13:v.2-, and the inhabitants of the earth(Israel 10 tribes-10 kings)-will worship the Man Beast of sea-the Pope- enthroned in Jerusalem infested of idolatry and witchcraft-and will fulfill LITERALLY 2 Thessalonians 2:v.3 and 9-12:


  • 3 Let no man deceive you by any means: (mainly the Man Beast of sea-the Pope-, and the Man Beast of earth-the esoteric, and kabbalistic, and spiritist messiah of the Jews, a false messiah of the Jews) for that day -the Lord's Day- the seventh and last Day - shall not come, except there come a falling away first(TOTAL APOSTASY), and that man of sin be revealed-THE BEAST OF EARTH-, the son of perdition;
9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,

11 And for this cause GOD shall send them - sent to Israel- strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
(should believe in the Vicarivs Filii Dei - the Beast of sea - the Pope - the Papacy)

12 That they all might be damned who believed not the Truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.


Be careful or get ready ... ... the night cometh, when no man can work. John 9:v.4
Revelation 11:

1 And there was given me a reed like unto a rod: and the angel stood, saying, Rise, and measure the temple of God, and the altar, and them that worship therein.
2 But the COURT which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months.

Power is given now SIMULTANEOUSLY to the event above, to shut heaven (and there will not be more any chance of salvation of souls), power is given over waters -over peoples, and nations, and multitudes of all tongues- , to turn them to blood, and to smite the earth (earth here is Israel) with all plagues, as often as they will, when the COURT without the temple be trodden by the Gentiles, leaded and guided by the Beast of sea-the Papacy- according to the deal made between the two Man Beasts, the Pope and the false messiah of the Jews -Revelation 13:v.2-, sat on his throne as God in the great city of Jerusalem, spiritually called Sodom and Egypt. Terrible. Terrible. Revelation 11:v.3 and 6.

15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms OF THIS WORLD are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.

16 And the four and twenty elders, which sat before God on their seats, fell upon their faces, and worshipped God,

17 Saying, We give thee thanks, O Lord God Almighty, which art, and wast, and art to come; because thou hast taken to thee thy great power, and hast reigned.

18 And the nations were(will be) angry, and thy wrath -GOD's wrath- is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be Judged, and that God should give reward unto His servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear His name, small and great; and should destroy them which destroy the earth. (Israel)

19 And the temple of God was opened in heaven, and there was(will be) seen in his temple the ark of his testament: and there were (will be) lightnings, and voices, and thunderings, and an earthquake, and great hail.

Get ready


After the son of perdition steps into the temple and declares himself to be God and stops the sacrifice, in the middle of the week, Jerusalem will then be trodden down of the gentiles, which is why Jesus warned those in Judea that when that event happens, they need to flee, in Mathew 24.

That event, the Israelites fleeing Judea into the desert for 3.5 years is given in Revelation chapter 12, and its probable that they are fleeing to Petra, the Rose-red city.

The woman is definitely Israel, who Messiah comes from - we know this because the symbology of sun, moon, and stars over her head is used of Israel in the Old Testament.