About the Signs of the Second Coming of Jesus

[amigo de christo]

It's not just the rcc ,all end time prophecy focuses on the nation of Israel ,two baskets of figs returned to form that nation state , those in control now are the bad figs ,waiting for their father to return

Yes only the jews who believe in Christ are counted as the good figs . My prayer is that those who believe in Christ
and live there now will witness the one true gospel unto them , as well as all .
The whore has infected many .

 

[Timtofly]

I rarely read other posts to other people.

The prince is not Jesus. He is already cut off. Besides, Jesus is KING. It is about 70 AD

Gabriel did not use the Word King, but Prince. Besides, the Romans did not use prince nor king. The Romans used emperor. The Jews claimed Ceasar as King. Herod as King. But we are not going by first century lingo.

We are going by Gabriel in God's Word.

 

[Timtofly]

It's my understanding of what you have stated about your position that 'your' interpretation of the symbolic "woman" of Rev.12 is based on your belief in a Pre-trib Rapture theory, their 'tribulation saints' idea. There's no Biblical basis for that idea in the Scriptures. That idea instead is a doctrine from men, not from God's Word. So the two halves of Daniel's final symbolic "one week" aren't just about Jews and Jerusalem. It's about the saints in Christ Jesus too, the Church, both believing Israelites and believing Gentiles together, on earth, patiently waiting on the true Jesus Christ to return 'after'... the tribulation, as written.

Daniel's 70th week is about Messiah. It is about Jesus Christ and only about His time spent on earth. 3.5 years were finished, the Messiah was "cut off". The last 3.5 years is future.

But it is no longer 3.5 years. Each day, the time is getting shorter because of this:

"For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be. And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened."

This time of GT is when Christ as a Lamb comes to finish the last half. These are the days of the Trumpets and Thunders. They cannot start until the 6th and 7th Seals are opened. Christ returns at the 6th Seal, just like He said in the OD.

The 7th Trumpet comes after the 7 Thunders. Then the 70 weeks are finished.

 

[CharismaticLady]

70 AD was a type

I believe that too. It is a paradigm.

 

[CharismaticLady]

Daniel's 70th week is about Messiah. It is about Jesus Christ and only about His time spent on earth. 3.5 years were finished, the Messiah was "cut off". The last 3.5 years is future.

I don't agree. But this is original.

 

[CharismaticLady]

It's my understanding of what you have stated about your position that 'your' interpretation of the symbolic "woman" of Rev.12 is based on your belief in a Pre-trib Rapture theory, their 'tribulation saints' idea.

I do not believe in a pre-trib rapture.

 

[Timtofly]

I don't agree. But this is original.

It started out original as given by Gabriel. Human interpretation changed the original message given by Gabriel. Gabriel either defines the week as the Revelation (life on earth) of Christ or does not define it at all.

Many humans try to make the words fit historical events. That is only private interpretation.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Ron Your belief and teaching that "The Souls" seen below are living humans on this earth is "False"

"The Souls" seen below were beheaded during the tribulation, and they live and reign in the spiritual with Jesus Christ, waiting for the (First Resurrection) that takes place on the (Last Day) John 5:28-29, John 6:39-40

They Lived? Because they are amongst the living and not the dead, just as all believers are amongst the living.

Luke 20:38KJV
38 For he is not a God of the dead, but of the living: for all live unto him

Revelation 20:4KJV
4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

Ron you can't find the things claimed by those teaching a Literal 1,000 year Millennial Kingdom On This Earth in Revelation 20:1-6 below

1.) Physical Earthly Kingdom?
2.) Physical Earthly Throne?
3.) Physical Mortal Humans?

The Above Claims (Don't Exist)

Revelation 20:1-6 Is 100% In The Lords (Spiritual) Angel, Heaven, Devil, Satan, The Souls, The Dead, God, Christ?

100% Spiritual Realm, No "Literal" Time (Fact)

2 Peter 3:8JV
8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

Revelation 20:1-6JV
1 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.
2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,
3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.
4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

You have to believe the contradicts itself or that your understanding of only one resurrection is wrong! You quote the passage that shows 2 resurrections.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

There is no metaphor in those verses. So no one is bouncing back and forth.

There is no 7 year covenant. That is a presupposition. You are supposing verse 29 is the 70th week. It is not. It is a week of days. It is the sounding of the 7th Trumpet. Which is also the 3rd woe. Revelation 10:7

7 But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets.

The mystery of Daniel 9:27. This is Jesus Christ confirming the Covenant. The Covenant that was the cause of the Messiah being "cut off". That is the Atonement Covenant. It is the Gospel that is being confirmed.

Revelation 13 is the abomination that splits this week in half.

5 And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.

6 And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven.

7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.

God allowed the week to be split. Why would confirming the Atonement with many cause the week to split? It will be because too many humans are left on earth, after the harvest of the sheep and goats, and the wheat and the tares. This harvest happens during the 6 Trumpets and 7 Thunders. The 7th Trumpet is a woe if the week is split. The 7th Trumpet is the completion of the 70th week of Daniel 9. If it is not split, then the winepress happens and there is no 42 month extension. All of Adam's flesh and blood are destroyed, and the Millennium begins immediately.

Messiah is the one cut off in verse 26 and the one confirming the Covenant in verse 27.

"and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined"

The "people" is the subject. "Of the prince" is a prepositional phrase describing the subject. It is the people who destroy the city. It can be argued that Jesus Christ is the prince that shall come. The people of Israel in the first century were looking for a prince, not a Messiah. Daniel is saying they destroy the city because their prince never came. Jesus came as Messiah, not as prince. The Messiah was introduced in verse 25. Was cut off, but not for himself in verse 26. The Messiah will confirm the Covenant to complete the Atonement Covenant, to finish the list of items God is doing for His people.

We know it was the rebel Jews who destroyed both Jerusalem and the Temple. They were the cause that brought Rome against them.

Now why take a preposition and turn it into the entire subject?

"Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince"

Gabriel already defined Jesus as both the Messiah and the Prince. The preposition was already established as Jesus being the prince. History proves Jesus was the Messiah instead of setting up a throne as Prince. When will Jesus set up His throne? At the Second Coming. Matthew 25:31.

Revelation d

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Your whole answer is in error because you believe the antichrist confirms the new covenant. He actually confirms nothing!

Daniel 9:26-27
King James Version

26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.

27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.


A) the He of verse 27 doesn't refer back to Jesus, but to the prince of the people (Antichrist). Unalterable rule of grammar is when a personal pronoun appears it must go back to the nearest personal noun that matches its number.

B) It is the antichrist who signs a strong (binding) covenant with Israel. the details of the covenant are not given so we don't know!

Revelation declares that Jesus Christ Himself is the 70th week. That is what Gabriel is saying, but in a way that made it the mystery that can only be solved at the Second Coming.

If it is a mystery to be solved only at the second coming- what are you doing writing what it is? do you believe the second coming has happened and you got the inside scoop?

so Jesus is seven years? Please show in Revelation where it says Jesus is seven years.

The "people" is the subject. "Of the prince" is a prepositional phrase describing the subject. It is the people who destroy the city. It can be argued that Jesus Christ is the prince that shall come. The people of Israel in the first century were looking for a prince, not a Messiah. Daniel is saying they destroy the city because their prince never came. Jesus came as Messiah, not as prince. The Messiah was introduced in verse 25. Was cut off, but not for himself in verse 26. The Messiah will confirm the Covenant to complete the Atonement Covenant, to finish the list of items God is doing for His people.

YOu must be a champ at playing twister. The way you twisted scriptures and allegorically reinterpreted them here is bvreathtaking!

Gabriel already defined Jesus as both the Messiah and the Prince. The preposition was already established as Jesus being the prince. History proves Jesus was the Messiah instead of setting up a throne as Prince. When will Jesus set up His throne? At the Second Coming.

So you believe Jesus to be a Roman Prince?

There is no 7 year covenant. That is a presupposition. You are supposing verse 29 is the 70th week. It is not. It is a week of days. It is the sounding of the 7th Trumpet. Which is also the 3rd woe. Revelation 10:7

So the first 69 weeks are weeks of years and the 70th week is a week of days? I await to see your convoluted logic that seeks to prove that.

God allowed the week to be split. Why would confirming the Atonement with many cause the week to split? It will be because too many humans are left on earth, after the harvest of the sheep and goats, and the wheat and the tares. This harvest happens during the 6 Trumpets and 7 Thunders. The 7th Trumpet is a woe if the week is split. The 7th Trumpet is the completion of the 70th week of Daniel 9. If it is not split, then the winepress happens and there is no 42 month extension. All of Adam's flesh and blood are destroyed, and the Millennium begins immediately.

If the wheat and sheep, and the goats and tares are harvested- how can any be left on earth? Magic?? this point of yours is way beyond me. It makes no sense whatsoever.

The "people" is the subject. "Of the prince" is a prepositional phrase describing the subject. It is the people who destroy the city. It can be argued that Jesus Christ is the prince that shall come. The people of Israel in the first century were looking for a prince, not a Messiah. Daniel is saying they destroy the city because their prince never came. Jesus came as Messiah, not as prince. The Messiah was introduced in verse 25. Was cut off, but not for himself in verse 26. The Messiah will confirm the Covenant to complete the Atonement Covenant, to finish the list of items God is doing for His people.

It can be argues that the flying spagetti monster is the prince as well. when we leave taking the words of Scripture at their grammatical face value, we can conclude anything like you do!

 

[Oseas]

The first half of the last week Daniel 9:v.27 will be ruled by the Beast of sea-Revelation 13:v.5- according to the treaty that will be made between the Dragon and the Beast of sea-Revelation 13:v.2- .

The Dragon will give his Power, and his THRONE in the temple of Jerusalem, and his Authority to the Beast of sea-the blasphemer Pope, the Papacy; and the Papacy, or the Pope, but not Pope Francis, but the next and last Pope, he will sit on the Throne of the Dragon in Israel-2 Thessalonians 2:v.11-12-(strong delusion), and will blasphemy against God and his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heavenly places in Christ-(God's people)Ephesians 1:v.3.

Revelation 13:v.8-10

And it was given unto the Beast of sea to make War with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.

8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

9 If any man have an ear, let him hear.

Your replied, as below:

None of that states what you claimed. I do consider it biblical, however, that the Beast rises out of the old Roman Empire. And the 2nd Beast, therefore, may be a corrupt Pope--I'll give you that.

Replying by parts, Randy.

None of that states what you claimed.

You are not being true, Randy, its your imagination, mere suppositions, or because you know not the Truth yet. Did you forget? The Word of GOD says: "We can do nothing against the Truth, but for the Truth. Why did not you take verses of Scriptures to give you support in to deny or to be against the Truth?


See that even you said as quoted below:

I do consider it biblical, however, that the Beast rises out of the old Roman Empire. And the 2nd Beast, therefore, may be a corrupt Pope--I'll give you that.

Well, what is biblical is true. On the other hand, your considerations following are not biblical because as JESUS revealed, the Beast rises out of the sea, not out of the old Roman Empire as you say, because was not created by the ruler of the Empire-Caesar, evidently.

In fact, we can say the Beast of sea (sea refers to peoples, and nations, and multitudes, and tongues, all tongues of course) was born as an Entity IN THE TIME (not from) of the Roman Empire. In what nation? Italy, precisely in the city of Rome. But in what way or how was it born in Rome? How can we describe its roots, or rather, its birthplace? Here goes:


Actually, the FIRST Beast was the FIRST that Satan did rise up after he corrupted the church of the Lord in Rome, which was developed by the Apostle Paul(author of the Epistle to the Romans), among a comunity of disciples of JESUS in that city, believers in the Gospel of the Kingdom of GOD. Even Peter, Apostle, visited the believers of the church of Rome.

Working with peculiar satanic cunning among the believers in JESUS in the church of Rome, even with the assistance and administration of Paul Apostle, who was killed later, Satan going corrupting the church and, in paralalel, developing a supposed "Christian" church with the name of Catholic Church, a disagreement of the true church there or breakup, and later called Roman Catholic Church, which remains until today, and there, I mean in Rome, Satan put his throne, and did spread his idolatries, and his witchcrafts, and satanic doctrines, and false gospel in the Earth as a whole, that is, in Europe, and Asia, and Africa, and Oceania(Autralia), and in the three Americas.
And Satan created and developed a monstrous religious and satanic system through the church of Rome, the Catholic Church, among others branches of religions he invented like the esoteric, and kabbalistic and spiritist Judaism, and Islamism, Budhism, at last, countless religions, and also devilish theories scientific or not, of all kind, theories as materialism, nihilism, narcisism, for instance.

Speaking more specificaly about the apostate and satanic church of Rome developed by the Devil, the Apostle John, in his universal epistle, wrote: 1 John 2:v.18 to 26, as follow:

18 Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; (and today?) whereby we know that it is the last time.

19 They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us.

20 But ye have an unction from the Holy One, and ye know all things.

21 I have not written unto you because ye know not the truth, but because ye know it, and that no lie is of the truth.

22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.

23 Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also.

24 Let that therefore abide in you, which ye have heard from the beginning. If that which ye have heard from the beginning shall remain in you, ye also shall continue in the Son, and in the Father.

25 And this is the promise that he hath promised us, even eternal life.

26 These things have I written unto you concerning them that seduce you.

As we can see, the movement of Antichrist has its roots in the ancient church of Rome that did begin as true church of the Lord, but as time passed Satan corrupted the church with his devilish tares, as it happens until the current time, many Ministry and Ministers, even traditional Churches have fallen into the traps of Satan and are dying, or already are died, like the angel of the Church of Sardis: Revelation 3:v.1 - " And unto the angel of the church in Sardis write; These things saith he that hath the seven Spirits of God, and the seven stars; I know thy works, hast a name that thou livest, and art dead. Sad. Very sad.

Surely, there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

Thats it.

 

[Randy Kluth]

...On the other hand, your considerations following are not biblical because as JESUS revealed, the Beast rises out of the sea, not out of the old Roman Empire as you say, because was not created by the ruler of the Empire-Caesar, evidently.

Dan 2 and Dan 7 portray a 4th Kingdom, which I believe was Rome, that in the last days unites its fragmented form into the Antichristian Empire. So the fall of Rome was merely the fragmentation of that Empire, and not the end of it. Imperialism has continue in Europe, both East and West, throughout the Christian era.

In fact, we can say the Beast of sea (sea refers to peoples, and nations, and multitudes, and tongues, all tongues of course) was born as an Entity IN THE TIME (not from) of the Roman Empire. In what nation? Italy, precisely in the city of Rome. But in what way or how was it born in Rome? How can we describe its roots, or rather, its birthplace? Here goes:

Actually, the FIRST Beast was the FIRST that Satan did rise up after he corrupted the church of the Lord in Rome, which was developed by the Apostle Paul(author of the Epistle to the Romans), among a comunity of disciples of JESUS in that city, believers in the Gospel of the Kingdom of GOD. Even Peter, Apostle, visited the believers of the church of Rome.

Dan 2 and Dan 7 portray the 4th Kingdom, Rome, as eclipsing the former 3rd Kingdom, Greece. The corrupt Church did *not* do this.

Working with peculiar satanic cunning among the believers in JESUS in the church of Rome, even with the assistance and administration of Paul Apostle, who was killed later, Satan going corrupting the church and, in paralalel, developing a supposed "Christian" church with the name of Catholic Church, a disagreement of the true church there or breakup, and later called Roman Catholic Church, which remains until today, and there, I mean in Rome, Satan put his throne, and did spread his idolatries, and his witchcrafts, and satanic doctrines, and false gospel in the Earth as a whole, that is, in Europe, and Asia, and Africa, and Oceania(Autralia), and in the three Americas.
And Satan created and developed a monstrous religious and satanic system through the church of Rome, the Catholic Church, among others branches of religions he invented like the esoteric, and kabbalistic and spiritist Judaism, and Islamism, Budhism, at last, countless religions, and also devilish theories scientific or not, of all kind, theories as materialism, nihilism, narcisism, for instance.

All of these religions do not present a "Kingdom," which is what the Beast represents. He has 10 horns and 7 heads, indicating 10 states and 7 leaders, as I interpret it. It is an Empire, consisting of 10 nations under the Antichrist, who is also called the "Beast."

Speaking more specificaly about the apostate and satanic church of Rome developed by the Devil, the Apostle John, in his universal epistle, wrote: 1 John 2:v.18 to 26, as follow:
...and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; (and today?) whereby we know that it is the last time.

19 They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us.

John could *not* have been speaking of the corrupt RCC because the RCC did not yet exist at that time. Furthermore, the RCC was the *only* Church in the West with any real power for quite some time. To denounce it is to denounce just about every Christian that existed at that time.

20 But ye have an unction from the Holy One, and ye know all things.
21 I have not written unto you because ye know not the truth, but because ye know it, and that no lie is of the truth.
22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.
23 Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also.

The RCC has never denied that Jesus is the Christ, or that he is God in the flesh! John could *not* have been referring to the RCC!

...hast a name that thou livest, and art dead. Sad. Very sad.

Yes, I feel that God gave me that very verse when I decided to leave the Lutheran Church many years ago. They were spiritually dead, and I concur with you on that. Many older churches have lost their way, or have gone corrupt through liberalism, compromise, or excessive ceremonialism.

But we have different views on who or what the Beast is. Take care...

 

[Truth7t7]

You have to believe the contradicts itself or that your understanding of only one resurrection is wrong! You quote the passage that shows 2 resurrections.

Your Problem Is, You Believe (Thousand Years) Represents "Literal Time" Upon Earth "Wrong" (The Souls) & (The Dead) Are In The Lords Spiritual, Not On This Earth As You Claim

Disagree, I show the passage where all subjects in Revelation 20:4-6 are (The Souls) (The Dead) both are waiting upon the resurrection, that will take place on the (Last Day) at the second coming of jJesus Christ John 5:28-29, John 6:39-40

Ron Your belief and teaching that "The Souls" seen below are living humans on this earth is "False"

"The Souls" seen below were beheaded during the tribulation, and they live and reign in the spiritual with Jesus Christ, waiting for the (First Resurrection) that takes place on the (Last Day) John 5:28-29, John 6:39-40

They Lived? Because they are amongst the living and not the dead, just as all believers are amongst the living.

Luke 20:38KJV
38 For he is not a God of the dead, but of the living: for all live unto him

Revelation 20:4KJV
4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

 

[Davy]

I do not believe in a pre-trib rapture.

Didn't you use to? Seems like I recall you did believe once.

 

[Oseas]

There is zero in the book of Revelation indicating the Dragon sits on a throne after a 3.5 period.

You are wrong. Who and how is the dragon? He, the Man Devil, who speak as dragon-Revelation 13:v.11 to 18- , was born in Israel decades ago, understand? Soon or in near future, he will manifest himself as messiah, and Israel will acclaim him as their messiah-John 5:v.43-47-, he will be the ruler and the guide of Israel, sitting on his throne in Jerusalem as God, even him whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders. - Revelation 13:v.12 to 15.

The next and last Pope who will be elected and will replace the present Pope nicknamed Francis, he will have one of his 7 heads mortally wounded, for this reason, the false messiah, the esoteric, and Kabbalist, and spiritist messiah of the Jews, he will give his throne in Israel to the Pope, and also Power and Authority -Revelation 13: v.2- , and the Pope will sit on the throne of the dragon in Jerusalem, and his deadly wound will be healed: and all the world will be wondered after the Beast of sea - the Pope, and both of these "kings" speaking lies to each other at one table, both shall do mischief.

Just know that Satan is wiser than Daniel the prophet, he knows deeply Torah, understanding dark sentences or skilled in intrigue, he shall stand up and will succeed through craftiness and deceit, he will stand proud and he, the ruthless messiah, the profane wicked prince of Israel-Ezekiel 21:v.25-, whose Day is come, he will destroy many people.


Revelation 13:v.2 -
2 And the Beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion (these animals point the ancient or very old roots of the Beast of sea looking behind. The reverse is lion, and bear, and leopard): and the Dragon gave (will give) him his Power, and his Seat, and great Authority.

There will be two powerful Beasts moving on the Earth in near future:

(1) The current Man Beast of sea-the Pope, or the Papacy (sea are peoples, and nations, and multitudes, and tongues, the Beast of sea rose up out from among them or from the midst of them);

(2) and the Man Beast of the earth(earth is Israel, the clay, the dry land) whose Beast has two horns (two horns is the symbol of the two kingdoms: the kingdom of Israel-10 tribes- and the Kingdom of Judah-two tribes), and he will manifest in near future as a lamb, but speaks as dragon; and he will place his throne in Jerusalem, spiritually called Sodom and Egypt, and Israel will acclaim him as their messiah-John 5:v.43-47.

On the contrary, the entire period in which Antichrist rules, by the power of Satan, lasts 3.5 years, after which he may lose his power, and the world collapses into chaos at Armageddon. But I'm not real clear on that.

In fact, you "are not real clear on that", as you said. You are wrong, you know not who Satan is, how could you fight against him and his legion of messengers? The main head of Antichrist is the own Satan himself, in person, the former cherub, the father of the Jews as JESUS said-John 8:v.44-45-, the son of perdition, the MAN of sin.


On the other hand, the battle of Armagedon is now, from now on, even before Satan be cast down into the bottomless pit; he will lose his power surely, and he will not be able to deceive the nations no more.

Yeah, the battle of Armagedon is now, even now, from now on, I am waiting and looking for his personal appearance very soon. Satan incarnate, the Man of sin, was born decades ago, he is now not only in spirit on earth, but Satan is also living in Israel in flesh and bone in this current moment or in the current time.

Get ready

 

[CharismaticLady]

Didn't you use to? Seems like I recall you did believe once.

Never. You must be thinking of someone else.

 

[CharismaticLady]

It started out original as given by Gabriel. Human interpretation changed the original message given by Gabriel. Gabriel either defines the week as the Revelation (life on earth) of Christ or does not define it at all.

Many humans try to make the words fit historical events. That is only private interpretation.

Let me see if I understand your belief right. Do you believe in a mid-trib rapture, or a mid-trib return of Christ?

 

[Oseas]

Well, just to say I think your interpretation is right, but you weren't the first to think of it. It was inspired a couple thousand years ago.

I'm curious if you went ahead and read it anyway?

Yes, I did read, but my source is the own GOD the Father Himself. The Chronology from the beginning, I mean from Adam, was revealed to Moses by my GOD Father. I learned from Him exclusively, the Word is GOD, and I must written according the same manner He revealed to Moses, yes, Moses received from Him too.

 

[Oseas]

Does not God himself through His prophets tell us that He will Gather the descendants of Abraham to Himself. If you are claiming that this will not happen, then it is you who is the liar as you show your lack of understanding of God's purposes for the nation of Israel.

Have a good day, now.

And now GOD says by His Word that He will send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: That they all might be DAMNED who believed not the truth (believed not in JESUS), but had pleasure in unrighteousness. 2Thes.2


John the Baptist warned them saying: O generation of vipers, who hath warned you to flee from the wrath to come? Mat.3:v.7



And JESUS said to them: Matthew 23:v.33 to 36

33 Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?

34 Wherefore, behold, I send unto you prophets, and wise men, and scribes: and some of them ye shall kill and crucify; and some of them shall ye scourge in your synagogues, and persecute them from city to city:

35 That upon you may come all the righteous blood shed upon the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel unto the blood of Zacharias son of Barachias, whom ye slew between the temple and the altar. Why does it be from the blood of righteous Abel? Well, JESUS said their father is the Devil. They are really linked to the Abel's murder, as JESUS said. (Great mystery)

36 Verily I say unto you, All these things shall come upon this generation.

 

[kcnalp]

It appears that the purpose for National Israel will be that 2/3 will die.\

You don't HATE Israel? lol

 

[Randy Kluth]

You are wrong. Who and how is the dragon? He, the Man Devil, who speak as dragon-Revelation 13:v.11 to 18- , was born in Israel decades ago, understand?

What am I to understand from the Scriptures--that is the important thing. I have no indication from Scriptures that a "Man Devil" was born in Israel decades ago. Rev 13 indicates no such thing!

The next and last Pope who will be elected and will replace the present Pope nicknamed Francis, he will have one of his 7 heads mortally wounded, for this reason, the false messiah, the esoteric, and Kabbalist, and spiritist messiah of the Jews, he will give his throne in Israel to the Pope, and also Power and Authority -Revelation 13: v.2- , and the Pope will sit on the throne of the dragon in Jerusalem, and his deadly wound will be healed: and all the world will be wondered after the Beast of sea - the Pope, and both of these "kings" speaking lies to each other at one table, both shall do mischief.

What, you think you're some kind of prophet, declaring certain specific men to be the "false messiah?" You should be more humble about it, and just suggest you "think" this or that, or you "think" that's what the Bible says, because in reality, you don't know any of this, and it just isn't in the Bible. The False Prophet is in the Bible. The Antichrist is in the Bible. But nowhere in the Bible does it say who either of these fellows will specifically be!

Just know that Satan is wiser than Daniel the prophet, he knows deeply Torah, understanding dark sentences or skilled in intrigue, he shall stand up and will succeed through craftiness and deceit, he will stand proud and he, the ruthless messiah, the profane wicked prince of Israel-Ezekiel 21:v.25-, whose Day is come, he will destroy many people.

Satan isn't wise at all.

There will be two powerful Beasts moving on the Earth in near future:

(1) The current Man Beast of sea-the Pope, or the Papacy (sea are peoples, and nations, and multitudes, and tongues, the Beast of sea rose up out from among them or from the midst of them);

(2) and the Man Beast of the earth(earth is Israel, the clay, the dry land) whose Beast has two horns (two horns is the symbol of the two kingdoms: the kingdom of Israel-10 tribes- and the Kingdom of Judah-two tribes), and he will manifest in near future as a lamb, but speaks as dragon; and he will place his throne in Jerusalem, spiritually called Sodom and Egypt, and Israel will acclaim him as their messiah-John 5:v.43-47.

I personally think the 1st Beast is the Antichrist, with his Empire. I think the 2nd Beast is the False Prophet, perhaps a Pope, who rules over 2 kingdoms. He has 2 horns like a lamb--they may be religious kingdoms, perhaps the Eastern and Western halves of the former Christian Empire, as it started in the days of the Roman Empire.

In fact, you "are not real clear on that", as you said. You are wrong, you know not who Satan is, how could you fight against him and his legion of messengers? The main head of Antichrist is the own Satan himself, in person, the former cherub, the father of the Jews as JESUS said-John 8:v.44-45-, the son of perdition, the MAN of sin.

You sound as proud as a peacock. You sound like a "false prophet" yourself!