I figured out the beast and false prophet

[MatthewG]

questionable preconceptions unwilling to be let go of set the reader up for a merry goose chase with clarity hidden in the trunk.

That is a lot of words to work around. Huge sentence.

 

[quietthinker]

That is a lot of words to work around. Huge sentence.

I hope you understood it Matthew!

 

[Brakelite]

So. I haven't read every post in this thread, mainly because we've all been here before, and I don't really expect anything different. My apologies if someone has come up with some common sense exegesis.
KJV 2 Peter 1:19-21
19 We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts:
20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.
21 For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.

We've all read the above before, but what does it mean exactly? It means that prophecy isn't guesswork. It isn't clairvoyance. It isn't to be understood by our imagining what this or that means... What this symbol should or should not be.
The greatest threat immediately prior to the greatest event ever to be experienced by man, the second coming of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, and the greatest delusion in the form of the counterfeit trinity, the dragon, the beast, and the false prophet, by which the whole world is to be deceived, isn't something God has hidden, or left us to guess as to what this threat is.
Yet these threads on the end times, on the nature of the great apostasy, the identity of the main players, and the timing of these events, are full of meandering seamless nonsensical unbiblical guesswork.
Guys. People. The Bible interprets itself. It is not up to us to interpret prophecy. God loves us too much to leave such important matters to our frail sin infected imaginations.
Now. Is there anyone, please, who would like to start again? Using scripture to interpret scripture.

 

[quietthinker]

So. I haven't read every post in this thread, mainly because we've all been here before, and I don't really expect anything different. My apologies if someone has come up with some common sense exegesis.
KJV 2 Peter 1:19-21
19 We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts:
20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.
21 For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.

We've all read the above before, but what does it mean exactly? It means that prophecy isn't guesswork. It isn't clairvoyance. It isn't to be understood by our imagining what this or that means... What this symbol should or should not be.
The greatest threat immediately prior to the greatest event ever to be experienced by man, the second coming of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, and the greatest delusion in the form of the counterfeit trinity, the dragon, the beast, and the false prophet, by which the whole world is to be deceived, isn't something God has hidden, or left us to guess as to what this threat is.
Yet these threads on the end times, on the nature of the great apostasy, the identity of the main players, and the timing of these events, are full of meandering seamless nonsensical unbiblical guesswork.
Guys. People. The Bible interprets itself. It is not up to us to interpret prophecy. God loves us too much to leave such important matters to our frail sin infected imaginations.
Now. Is there anyone, please, who would like to start again? Using scripture to interpret scripture.

Oi!

 

[Brakelite]

Oi!

 

[quietthinker]

yeah, I know, I'm told I'm an insensitive brown duck but I live in hope of a new nature for old
It's kind of odd you know, my mother used to tell me I was too sensitive when I tried to get to the heart of reasons why. I think it was her way of shutting me down so 'happy families' would go unchallenged.

 

[Brakelite]

yeah, I know, I'm told I'm an insensitive brown duck but I live in hope of a new nature for old
It's kind of odd you know, my mother used to tell me I was too sensitive when I tried to get to the heart of reasons why. I think it was her way of shutting me down so 'happy families' would go unchallenged.

And living alone in the wop wops probably doesn't contribute a great deal toward sympathetic or empathetic conversations. Crocodiles don't really respond favorably to kind gentle sympathetic tones.

 

[quietthinker]

And living alone in the wop wops probably doesn't contribute a great deal toward sympathetic or empathetic conversations. Crocodiles don't really respond favorably to kind gentle sympathetic tones.

when Jesus shot straight I notice few took him seriously or understood, like "if thy eye offends thee, pluck it out' or 'eat my flesh and drink my blood'....it seems abandoning him was preferable.

 

[Brakelite]

when Jesus shot straight I notice few took him seriously or understood, like "if thy eye offends thee, pluck it out' or 'eat my flesh and drink my blood'....it seems abandoning him was preferable.

Yes. Even after 3 and a half years, the disciples themselves were still so set in their false narratives they took offense at any suggestion that events could turn out different. Even after that time, and in such close contact with Truth, they still had the old teachers on a pedestal, the very ones seeking the life on the one before them... Far be it from thee Master.
We get stuck in our little paradigms and feel insecure stepping outside of our self made security blankets. Like OSAS. Like the rapture. Like the Antichrist is future after the rapture and we don't have to worry about him. Same with the mark. God forbid that the Antichrist is already with us right?

 

[quietthinker]

I see prophecy as information given for preparation so that we don't sail blindly or rudderless......so we can recognise the times and know that the rock which holds us is secure.

Self doubt is the other option, where reality is built on emotional fluctuations, on speculation and shifting impressions; where the need to be right is too precious to question, where popular theologies allay the need to search and test ones opinion.

 

[Brakelite]

I see prophecy as information given for preparation so that we don't sail blindly or rudderless......so we can recognise the times and know that the rock which holds us is secure.

Self doubt is the other option, where reality is built on emotional fluctuations, on speculation and shifting impressions; where the need to be right is too precious to question, where popular theologies allay the need to search and test ones opinion.

Mmmm. Turn it into a book...a movie... With sequels... And voila. Prophetic truth.

 

[Waiting on him]

Yes. Even after 3 and a half years, the disciples themselves were still so set in their false narratives they took offense at any suggestion that events could turn out different. Even after that time, and in such close contact with Truth, they still had the old teachers on a pedestal, the very ones seeking the life on the one before them... Far be it from thee Master.
We get stuck in our little paradigms and feel insecure stepping outside of our self made security blankets. Like OSAS. Like the rapture. Like the Antichrist is future after the rapture and we don't have to worry about him. Same with the mark. God forbid that the Antichrist is already with us right?

We should be as the Apostles were, upon receiving the breath of life.

 

[MatthewG]

What?

Is even being talked about

 

[Nancy]

questionable preconceptions unwilling to be let go of set the reader up for a merry goose chase with clarity hidden in the trunk.

Good morning/evening/afternoon to you Q.T.
Agree that "questionable preconceptions" can surely lead someone into error but, far be it from me to try and correct something I do not fully understand
God gives the wisdom but then, how much are we drawing from the Holy Spirit leading us?
I know you study this allot in your church, not many others get very deep into it, unfortunately
Have a sunshiny day bro

 

[quietthinker]

Good morning/evening/afternoon to you Q.T.
Agree that "questionable preconceptions" can surely lead someone into error but, far be it from me to try and correct something I do not fully understand
God gives the wisdom but then, how much are we drawing from the Holy Spirit leading us?
I know you study this allot in your church, not many others get very deep into it, unfortunately
Have a sunshiny day bro

I have a personal interest in it...the radar is always scanning.

 

[Nancy]

I have a personal interest in it...the radar is always scanning.

Eschatology is what initially brought me to faith. Back then prophecies from thousands of years ago that had come to past, and what we should look for heading into the future...
Later bro...have a good-un!

 

[Waiting on him]

What?

Is even being talked about

Christ revealed!

 

[Waiting on him]

Ecclesiastes 3:18-19 KJV
[18] I said in mine heart concerning the estate of the sons of men, that God might manifest them, and that they might see that they themselves are beasts. [19] For that which befalleth the sons of men befalleth beasts; even one thing befalleth them: as the one dieth, so dieth the other; yea, they have all one breath; so that a man hath no preeminence above a beast: for all is vanity.

 

[michaelvpardo]

I see prophecy as information given for preparation so that we don't sail blindly or rudderless......so we can recognise the times and know that the rock which holds us is secure.

Self doubt is the other option, where reality is built on emotional fluctuations, on speculation and shifting impressions; where the need to be right is too precious to question, where popular theologies allay the need to search and test ones opinion.

I think that you're a little too bright, brother. The Lord dropped my IQ by about 30 points within the last 2 years, but there's nothing wrong with being average ( although I'm no longer able to multitask my thoughts). I'm grateful to Him for it though as He is glorified in our weaknesses, not in our strengths. Just the same, if the Lord called you to instruct others, talking over their heads doesn't do any good at all. Paul had that problem too, but at least we have a lot of solid theology and instruction in his epistles.

 

[michaelvpardo]

Ecclesiastes 3:18-19 KJV
[18] I said in mine heart concerning the estate of the sons of men, that God might manifest them, and that they might see that they themselves are beasts. [19] For that which befalleth the sons of men befalleth beasts; even one thing befalleth them: as the one dieth, so dieth the other; yea, they have all one breath; so that a man hath no preeminence above a beast: for all is vanity.

Ecclesiastes is my favorite book attributed to Solomon. (and I do believe that he wrote it.) Its certainly all true of this life, but Solomon's perspective was never lifted above this life. I suspect that his thinking was responsible for the sect of the Saudacees and when you see this life as all there is and then a final judgment, how could any soul find joy?