new version of OSAS?

[Grailhunter]

We speak English Not Greek, The Bible Was inspired and given to us in English, English uses a J, In English Language Its Jesus, If you want to speak great write the rest of your comment in greek

The letter J did not come out until the 1400's and was not popular until the 1600s.
Persons, places, and things are best written and said as they are....particularly if it is God's name.
Yeshua and Yahweh...as it is they took God the Father's name and God the Son's name out of the Bible.
The J slam changed a lot of the names in the Bible.

 

[Grailhunter]

Do you mean to say all Have except you?

Nope...I sin.
I just do not make a habit of it.

 

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Blood Bought 1953 said: ↑
Sorry .....that would NOT be you.....” Your” Salvation is no more secure than your next “ Willful Sin”....You have never known what it is like to “ Trust”...... as far as Sins go, you are still “ on the hook” for them....you have either been set free from your “ Performance” Burden or you have not—- you can’t have it both ways....you are attempting that now with this latest post...

Now post the verse that says believing in Christ is a 'performance burden' and you will have made your case.

You are very practiced at deflections.

Your "performance burden" is in that you assert that it is up to you whether or not you "keep believing", and that whether or not you "keep believing" will determine whether or not you "keep being saved". The burden of your performance is that you must maintain your own faith, contrary to the Bible which say plainly that faith is a gift, that it is Jesus' faith in us, that's what keeps us saved, and is God's power in us. But you make it your own.

And you deflect by asking for that magical verse which will define faith as a work, or, in the other words you used here, but still the same thing. As if that were the question. The pity is that you are so glib with this misdirection people may easily miss it, and think you said something with significance toward the discussion.

Much love!

 

[HisLife]

The letter J did not come out until the 1400's and was not popular until the 1600s.
Persons, places, and things are best written and said as they are....particularly if it is God's name.
Yeshua and Yahweh...as it is they took God the Father's name and God the Son's name out of the Bible.
The J slam changed a lot of the names in the Bible.

You can use whatever name you want But there is only one Most High God, that Was a Huge point in the old testament anyone could claim any name But only One Could be the way the truth and the life, you even had An angel Pretending and Trying to Be God, Using The Law to Condem Fallen Man, that's what gave him his power over man it was through Sin and Death, Yahweh for basic discussion Basically means the name, What Name? well no one knew and Moses Enquired and Saw it in the Revelation in the New Testament in the Person of Jesus...Anyway You can Use Yeshua It doesnt Bother me But to put a veil over your head and look for another Name Also, well why? We have been given a name above every name, The main point is I think English Speaking People Can speak in English, Also I notice you didn't write your response in Greek or hebrew....

They didn't Take Gods Name out of the Bible no one knew Gods Name in the Old testament No-one Could Show God except God himself, A Creature cannot say this is what God Is really Like, God represent himself and shows Himself so until Jesus Came who is the word of God and The image of the invisible God, We Could now See What God Was really like in person, And God Put his Name On the One that could show the true and living God, If you go looking for another you have to take your eyes off Jesus, We are in the New Testament we now have the Revelation Of Jesus we can look forward not back to try find the Name and person of the Most High God

 

[Ferris Bueller]

First we believe, and we receive, and then God gives us rebirth, and we live our lives here, reborn, knowing, knowing, that when He appears, we WILL appear with Him. No exceptions.

So does this mean you believe that born again people can never stop believing (Osas type 1), or that even if the born again person does stop believing they are still saved (Osas type 2)?

 

[HisLife]

So does this mean you believe that born again people can never stop believing (Osas type 1), or that even if the born again person does stop believing they are still saved (Osas type 2)?

Do you ever Think Your birth Mother Can Ever Not be your birth Mother? If you believed that Would that make it real

 

[Ferris Bueller]

Your "performance burden" is in that you assert that it is up to you whether or not you "keep believing"

Believing in God is not a performance burden of the legalist's works gospel. That's why I asked BB for the verse that says believing in God is a performance burden of works. The works gospel is not defined by 'having to believe in order to be saved and stay saved'. But if I'm wrong about that please either you or BB post the verse that says the works gospel IS defined by 'having to believe in order to be saved and stay saved'. Then I'll show you in the Bible where it says working the works of the law in order to be saved and stay saved is the works gospel that can not justify. Don't deflect! Save me, you, and BB a lot of computer ink........just post the verse and we'll be done here.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

Do you ever Think Your birth Mother Can Ever Not be your birth Mother? If you believed that Would that make it real

Children can be disinherited from the family.

 

[HisLife]

Children can be disinherited from the family.

At what age My 4 year old Is Hard work the last few days?

 

[Ferris Bueller]

Now we are His children. When we see Him we KNOW we will be like Him. In your version, you cannot know, because, in your version God's children might die. Totally contrary to Scripture. But it's what you claim. You cannot know, because when you consider salvation changeable based on you, you are changeable, so, that's that.

No, silly. Everyone who is believing is a child of God. That happened the moment you believed. And it remains that way as long as you continue to believe.....

"We have come to share in Christ if we hold firmly to the end the assurance we had at first." Hebrews 3:14​

See, you're actually the one who cannot know that you are really a child of God and have come to share in Christ. Because you interpret the verse to mean you really have been made a child of God, if you believe all the way to the end. Well, you can't know if you'll keep believing all the way to the end until you get to the end! So you can't know until then. In my doctrine, you are a child of God if you are believing and as long as you are believing.

 

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No, silly. Everyone who is believing is a child of God. That happened the moment you believed. And it remains that way as long as you continue to believe.....

You aren't reading the verse, and calling me silly won't change that. Only if you accept what it says. It's unfortunate for you that you will not.

Much love!

 

[Ferris Bueller]

At what age My 4 year old Is Hard work the last few days?

Anytime before he/she grows up and can take care of himself/herself and doesn't need dad anymore and can get out on his/her own and earn his/her own way.

 

[marks]

Children can be disinherited from the family.

You cannot be unborn.

Obviously.

 

[marks]

So does this mean you believe that born again people can never stop believing (Osas type 1), or that even if the born again person does stop believing they are still saved (Osas type 2)?

Covered ad nauseum.

Now we are the children of God and we KNOW - we know We Know when we see Him we will be like Him.

Add all the IF's you want, but you still won't change the Bible.

Word games on and on and on . . . just the same . . . there are no excepts. If you've been raised with Him now, you will appear with Him then. Just this simple passage refutes your assertion completely, and you cannot get around that without rewriting it.

Adding your "IF"s. But God didn't put them there. You are doing that.

Much love!

 

[Ferris Bueller]

You aren't reading the verse, and calling me silly won't change that. Only if you accept what it says. It's unfortunate for you that you will not.

Much love!

I'm reading it exactly the way it's written. I'm not changing a word. You just can't believe there's more than just the Osas preprogrammed way to read the verse. It's beyond your comprehension that it doesn't have to only mean what Osas (type 1) says it means.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

Covered ad nauseum.

Now we are the children of God and we KNOW - we know We Know when we see Him we will be like Him.

Add all the IF's you want, but you still won't change the Bible.

Much love!

We've been showing you the 'if's' ARE the Bible. You just can't see them. I'm not adding them. I'm showing you where they are. You can't see them because you automatically skip over them the instant you see them as if they aren't there. That's what cultish beliefs do to a person. They make a person not seen plain words right under their noses. I see this all the time in Christian discussions.

 

[Grailhunter]

You can use whatever name you want But there is only one Most High God, that Was a Huge point in the old testament anyone could claim any name But only One Could be the way the truth and the life, you even had An angel Pretending and Trying to Be God, Using The Law to Condem Fallen Man, that's what gave him his power over man it was through Sin and Death, Yahweh for basic discussion Basically means the name, What Name? well no one knew and Moses Enquired and Saw it in the Revelation in the New Testament in the Person of Jesus...Anyway You can Use Yeshua It doesnt Bother me But to put a veil over your head and look for another Name Also, well why? We have been given a name above every name, The main point is I think English Speaking People Can speak in English, Also I notice you didn't write your response in Greek or hebrew....

They didn't Take Gods Name out of the Bible no one knew Gods Name in the Old testament No-one Could Show God except God himself, A Creature cannot say this is what God Is really Like, God represent himself and shows Himself so until Jesus Came who is the word of God and The image of the invisible God, We Could now See What God Was really like in person, And God Put his Name On the One that could show the true and living God, If you go looking for another you have to take your eyes off Jesus, We are in the New Testament we now have the Revelation Of Jesus we can look forward not back to try find the Name and person of the Most High God

LOL In the Old Testament alone God's name appear over 6000 times....Why would God not have His name in the Old Testament? You funny! When they switched over from Paleo-Hebrew to Classical Hebrew his name was given the tetragrammaton---YHWH---יהוה‎. Then it appeared over 6000 times...then they replaced that with the Word God or LORD. Thus removing God's name from the Old Testament. Then they wacked the Old and Testament with J's and thus remove God the Son's name. They do not even know where the word Jesus came form...It is not connected to the Greek...no J's in the Greek either. But hey, call Him George as far as I am concerned.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

Covered ad nauseum.

Now we are the children of God and we KNOW - we know We Know when we see Him we will be like Him.

Add all the IF's you want, but you still won't change the Bible.

Word games on and on and on . . . just the same . . . there are no excepts. If you've been raised with Him now, you will appear with Him then. Just this simple passage refutes your assertion completely, and you cannot get around that without rewriting it.

Adding your "IF"s. But God didn't put them there. You are doing that.

Much love!

Oh, and stop deflecting, lol! Answer my question!↓↓↓

So does this mean you believe that born again people can never stop believing (Osas type 1), or that even if the born again person does stop believing they are still saved (Osas type 2)?

 

[HisLife]

Anytime before he/she grows up and can take care of himself/herself and doesn't need dad anymore and can get out on his/her own and earn his/her own way.

Yikes very strict

Well, Christian Cant Ever Earn There Own way, And they Always Need their father, Maybe God Sees us as His Children hmmmmm? You don't think your all grown up and earning your own way do you ?

 

[Ferris Bueller]

You cannot be unborn.

Obviously.

What's so hard about the Spirit of God moving out of a person as easy as He moved in to them?