Jesus Is Our Truth, Reward, And Faithfulness So We Can Lie, Steal, and Fornicate?

[CharismaticLady]

How many people believe this then go to eat lunch religiously, making a kitchen crew serve them, and call that sabbath?

When God said go two miles with the one who asks you to go one, to give your coat also to a thief who takes your shirt, that you're no better than a heathen if you only love those you think aren't heathans, that great love is setting aside your own life for someone else, considering everyone more important than you, doing good to your enemies without grumbling and making yourself the servant of your neighbors - when God said whatever you do to the one you call 'least' you do to Him and that you should give to everyone who asks you without demanding it back...
Whose yoke is He telling us to put on by doing this, and does He stop working?

Entering His rest is ceasing to do your own work, and joining Him in His.

IMO anyone who is claiming 'sabbath' to refuse all these commands & think they are justifying themselves through inaction does not understand Who He is and what He does.




He is talking about boasting in self righteousness while ignoring the commandment 'love your neighbor' and thinking of his boss as his own unclean servant instead of considering himself the servant and walking in the shoes of the Son of Man who came not to be served, but to serve, Whom they sought to kill because He did good works serving sinners on sabbath days, healing them.

he would murder me in his heart if I made myself someones servant on some day he thinks is special serve-not day.

Sorry, but I don't like your accusations. They are not fair, and it sounds like you are doing what you are accusing him of and it isn't pretty.

 

[post]

Sorry, but I don't like your accusations. They are not fair, and it sounds like you are doing what you are accusing him of and it isn't pretty.

IMO it's pretty ugly if i say "my heathen friend is always asking me for help on saturday but i refuse because 'sabbath'"

 

[Gregory]

If refusing to help those in need is how you worship God I am not sure you have understood

Do I help my employer make money, or do I help my God build his kingdom. I choose my God everytime.

 

[Gregory]

IMO it's pretty ugly if i say "my heathen friend is always asking me for help on saturday but i refuse because 'sabbath'"

I believe you can do both. Go to church and worship our God. Come home and help your heathen friend.

If your heathen friend is willing to ask you every saturday to help him, I think it is appropriate to teach him about the sabbath also.

 

[robert derrick]

That is what I believe, we need to keep the 10 commandments today, as part of the Law of Christ.

Replace 'we' with 'I', and you are good to go.

"Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days. Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ." (Col 2:16-17)

"There is one lawgiver, who is able to save and to destroy: who art thou that judgest another?" (James 4)

The carnal mind has no spiritual sense of Scripture. They are confined to carnal ordinance only, rejecting the liberty of the law of the Spirit of Life.

Since they can only worship God on a Sabbath where there is no work to do, they cannot worship Him in Spirit and in truth, when there is work to do.

 

[atpollard]

I'm sure most will immediately disagree, and rightly so. Jesus' fulfilling of the Spirit of the Law in us does not permit us to break the Letter of the Law.

Nope, I don't disagree at all.
Jesus Is Our Truth, Reward, And Faithfulness So We Can Lie, Steal, and Fornicate!

Any and every claim to righteousness that I have comes from Jesus and not from any innate goodness in me. If I lie, God still loves and accepts me because of His Son (Jesus). If I steal, God still loves and accepts me because of His Son (Jesus). If I commit adultery (I am married, so it is not simple fornication), God still loves and accepts me because of His Son (Jesus).

Since God loves me with such a great love that even lying, stealing and fornication cannot separate me from Jesus Christ and the love of God ... why on Earth would I want to repay that LOVE with such ingratitude by breaking His heart with sin? It is bad enough when I stumble and have to go before Him with tear stained eyes to beg His forgiveness ... because He is the only one that can wipe away the tears and the sins.

Who deliberately smashes their thumb with a hammer? Sure, we can, but only a fool would. So anyone CAN but nobody DOES.

 

[robert derrick]

Do I help my employer make money, or do I help my God build his kingdom. I choose my God everytime.

And so he is a socialist too. The plot thickens.

As a Christians who does work as unto the Lord, I have never ever seen my work as helping the owner of a business 'to make money'.

I was always thankful for the work provided to make money for myself and provide for my own.

So, not only can this person not worship God on the job, neither can he work as unto the Lord, because socialists resent working, and are envious of those better than themselves, who do good work successfully.

 

[robert derrick]

"Do I help my employer make money, or do I help my God build his kingdom. I choose my God everytime."

This kind of 'Sabbath keeping' is nothing but a cover for socialism and envy.

 

[robert derrick]

"Do I help my employer make money, or do I help my God build his kingdom. I choose my God everytime."

He resents working on the job, while claiming power to 'build' God's kingdom.

"Upon this rock I will build my church." (Matthew 16)

There is no other builder of God's church and kingdom other than false ones that make wild boasts:

"The stone which the builders disallowed, the same is made the head of the corner." (1 Peter 2)

 

[robert derrick]

I believe you can do both. Go to church and worship our God. Come home and help your heathen friend. If your heathen friend is willing to ask you every saturday to help him, I think it is appropriate to teach him about the sabbath also.

To not be a partaker of other men's sins, a Sabbath-keeper by law cannot doing any buying nor selling on their Sabbath day. No stores, restaurants, theatres, etc... Otherwise, they are hypocrites who take advantage of other men's sins.

"That no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name. Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man." (Rev 13)

A beast is anyone ministering commandments of men for law of Christ, and his mark is on all them that obey commandments of men as law of Christ. It is the mark of a man's commandment rather than the seal of God in their foreheads. (Rev 7)

He judges all according to his own law and accuses all who obey not his law, especially the brethren that live by faith of Jesus and keep His law only.

"And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night." (Rev 12)

 

[robert derrick]

"I believe you can do both. Go to church and worship our God. Come home and help your heathen friend. If your heathen friend is willing to ask you every saturday to help him, I think it is appropriate to teach him about the sabbath also."

A proselytizer is someone who only does anything for someone else in order to proselytize them.

There is no sincerity of heart and charity of soul to love a neighbor and do good for them freely without hidden agenda.

 

[robert derrick]

"I believe you can do both. Go to church and worship our God. Come home and help your heathen friend. If your heathen friend is willing to ask you every saturday to help him, I think it is appropriate to teach him about the sabbath also."

There is sinning that grace may abound, and now there is sinning that proselytizing may abound.

 

[robert derrick]

How many people believe this then go to eat lunch religiously, making a kitchen crew serve them, and call that sabbath?

When God said go two miles with the one who asks you to go one, to give your coat also to a thief who takes your shirt, that you're no better than a heathen if you only love those you think aren't heathans, that great love is setting aside your own life for someone else, considering everyone more important than you, doing good to your enemies without grumbling and making yourself the servant of your neighbors - when God said whatever you do to the one you call 'least' you do to Him and that you should give to everyone who asks you without demanding it back...
Whose yoke is He telling us to put on by doing this, and does He stop working?

Entering His rest is ceasing to do your own work, and joining Him in His.

IMO anyone who is claiming 'sabbath' to refuse all these commands & think they are justifying themselves through inaction does not understand Who He is and what He does.

Not sure what you are trying to say.

 

[robert derrick]

I believe you can do both. Go to church and worship our God. Come home and help your heathen friend. If your heathen friend is willing to ask you every saturday to help him, I think it is appropriate to teach him about the sabbath also.

If I were your 'heathen friend', I would rightly say, thanks but no thanks.

You keep your Sabbath, and I'll keep my charity.

 

[robert derrick]

"I believe you can do both. Go to church and worship our God. Come home and help your heathen friend. If your heathen friend is willing to ask you every saturday to help him, I think it is appropriate to teach him about the sabbath also."

I don't know what it's like to see either Christian or heathen in someone I meet. But then, I don't know what it is like to see either black or white either.

 

[robert derrick]

And the ten c


The entire covenant given on mount Sinai is bondage.
Galatians 4:21-31

The ten commands are an integral part of the 613 commands, ordinances and statutes.
They don’t exist in isolation, if the Decalogue is in effect, the rest of the covenant is still in effect,

The ten commands are such an integral part of the covenant, that the ark made to carry the two tablets was called THE ARK OF THE COVENANT

And the ten commands are THE COVENANT on two tables of stone:

Exo 34:28 And he was there with Jehovah forty days and forty nights; he did neither eat bread, nor drink water. And he wrote upon the tables the words of the covenant, the ten commandments.

Deu 9:11 And it came to pass at the end of forty days and forty nights, that Jehovah gave me the two tables of stone, even the tables of the covenant.

Once again, the covenant given on mount Sinai is bondage. The ten commands are part of that covenant, and called the covenant.

2 Corinthians 3 contrasts the old covenant ten commands that are called the ministration of death, and the letter that kills, with the new covenant law of the Spirit that brings life.

The entire book of Galatians was written to correct the errors of that church, that wanted to keep the law of Moses and the sabbaths.

You can't get through to someone who's Sabbath command is still written in stone.

 

[Gregory]

Replace 'we' with 'I', and you are good to go.

"Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days. Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ." (Col 2:16-17)

"There is one lawgiver, who is able to save and to destroy: who art thou that judgest another?" (James 4)

The carnal mind has no spiritual sense of Scripture. They are confined to carnal ordinance only, rejecting the liberty of the law of the Spirit of Life.

Since they can only worship God on a Sabbath where there is no work to do, they cannot worship Him in Spirit and in truth, when there is work to do.

First of all, I am not judging anyone. I choose and I believe we should choose to follow the 10 commandments as they are written even though we are living the law of Christ.

I do not reject the liberty of the law of the Spirit of Life, I just think it is good that we do not kill, steal, commit adultery, commit fraud, keeping the sabbath day, loving the Lord, honoring our parents, etc.
I believe a lot of pastors and their followers have taken license to commit all kinds of evil works, all under the misinterpretation of the "liberty" of the law of the Spirit of Life. Hence, the title of this OP.
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Since they can only worship God on a Sabbath where there is no work to do, they cannot worship Him in Spirit and in truth, when there is work to do.

This paragraph certainly sounds judgemental. Who says we cannot worship Him in Spirit and in truth when there is work to do. We can have God in our minds at all times and we should. But on the Lords day we stop and sing and praise him with the congregation, worshipping him in spirit and truth together. Taking the Lords supper and teaching the good word of God, together, giving each other strength to overcome the evil one.

 

[robert derrick]

"If He is indeed our spiritual rest, we ought to evidence that by literally resting on the seventh day Sabbath day."

So, the law of the sabbath was a shadow of Christ's rest, and we are to literally rest in Christ by obeying the law of the sabbath.

I am free from the law of meats and drinks and sabbath days, and I rejoice in my liberty by staying in the shadows.

For saturday sabbath keepers, saturday is the only day they are not free.

 

[robert derrick]

"Need I remind anyone, it's not the fourth "suggestion", it's the Fourth Commandment, right or wrong?"

Obviously we do need reminding.

It's neither the 4th suggestion nor 4th commandment to law-abiding sabbath keepers. It's the 1st commandment above all commandments. So much so that any who do not obey it are publicans and heathen.

When I am not working on saturday, I know I am doing good, as well as finally being free to worship God, since I am not working.

 

[robert derrick]

"Need I remind anyone, it's not the fourth "suggestion", it's the Fourth Commandment, right or wrong?"

Right. It was the 4th commandment.

 

[robert derrick]

Which is more difficult to live:
The Law of Moses says in the 6th commandment: thou shalt not commit adultery.
The Law of Christ says in Matthew 5:28: That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.
Which one of these laws is the more difficult to keep. Moses says don't physically commit adultery. Christ says if you lust after a woman you have committed adultery.
Which of these laws is the letter and which is the spirit?

So, if I think about committing work on a Sabbath day, then I have committed work in my heart.