new version of OSAS?

[Eternally Grateful]

You are right. But I was.



I don't think I was born a believer....I just do not remember a time I did not believe in Christ....from there it was additional information and dedication.


The term conversion does not apply to me. I always believed.

do you remember fulfilling romans 10?

9 that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved. 10 For with the heart one believes unto righteousness, and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. 11 For the Scripture says, “Whoever believes on Him will not be put to shame.” 12 For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek, for the same Lord over all is rich to all who call upon Him. 13 For “whoever calls on the name of the Lord shall be saved.”

 

[Grailhunter]

I would say yes, only, you may just have been too young to remember.
but when we trust in Jesus, we become alive, and this is being converted.
Much love!

Think what you want. But it is just a think. The phrase spiritually dead does not appear in the Bible. That is a fact. Its like saying people do not have a soul until they believe.

 

[Grailhunter]

9 that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved. 10 For with the heart one believes unto righteousness, and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. 11 For the Scripture says, “Whoever believes on Him will not be put to shame.” 12 For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek, for the same Lord over all is rich to all who call upon Him. 13 For “whoever calls on the name of the Lord shall be saved.”

Is this a condition? A replacement for Acts 2:38? Or an addition?
Trying to determine if I was saved or not? LOL It is a fools game.
Christ and the Apostles were a frequent topic around my home.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Is this a condition? A replacement for Acts 2:38? Or an addition?
Trying to determine if I was saved or not? LOL It is a fools game.
Christ and the Apostles were a frequent topic around my home.

You state you are a believer. I just asked if you remember a time you received Christ.

I do. Everyone I know does. It was a special day. I remember it like it was yesterday and it was over 40 years ago.

so are you saying you never recieved Christ?

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Think what you want. But it is just a think. The phrase spiritually dead does not appear in the Bible. That is a fact. Its like saying people do not have a soul until they believe.

In adam all die

The penalty of sin is death.

Being born again, we who were DEAD in tresspasses and sin were made alive

Spiritual death is all over scripture

 

[Tong2020]

You are right. But I was.



I don't think I was born a believer....I just do not remember a time I did not believe in Christ....from there it was additional information and dedication.


The term conversion does not apply to me. I always believed.

Well how could you be so sure when you said you do not remember?

It seems to be that you were referring to a time in your youth, at an age perhaps where most of us remember nothing or so little about. It is most likely a time when we know little about responsibility. That would mean that you haven’t done anything in that regard. At least not as you could remember.

Tong
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[Grailhunter]

You state you are a believer. I just asked if you remember a time you received Christ.

I do. Everyone I know does. It was a special day. I remember it like it was yesterday and it was over 40 years ago.

so are you saying you never recieved Christ?

I have already answered that question....that is the final answer.

 

[Grailhunter]

In adam all die

The penalty of sin is death.

Being born again, we who were DEAD in tresspasses and sin were made alive

Spiritual death is all over scripture

I agree with most of that. So you added a new term so lets include that...spiritually dead and spiritual death are not in Bible. Even when you are hell are spiritually dead....do you feel the flames...smell the burning flesh....hear the screams.

If you are going to do the fundamentalist thing you need to stick with biblical terms and phrases.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

I have already answered that question....that is the final answer.

you did? I did not see anything.

Unless your answer is you never did this. which if this is the case. then how can you say your a child of God

 

[Eternally Grateful]

I agree with most of that. So you added a new term so lets include that...spiritually dead and spiritual death are not in Bible. Even when you are hell are spiritually dead....do you feel the flames...smell the burning flesh....hear the screams.

If you are going to do the fundamentalist thing you need to stick with biblical terms and phrases.

if your not physically dead. Yet you are dead and need born again

this is spiritual death.

or what would you call it?

 

[Grailhunter]

you did? I did not see anything.

Unless your answer is you never did this. which if this is the case. then how can you say your a child of God

So you think you have the knowledge, awareness, or even the intelligence to know.

 

[Grailhunter]

if your not physically dead. Yet you are dead and need born again

this is spiritual death.

or what would you call it?

Is from the Bible you wrote.

 

[Grailhunter]

if your not physically dead. Yet you are dead and need born again

this is spiritual death.

or what would you call it?

Interjecting biblical terms only causes false beliefs.
I will leave it to Christ...
John 3:18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
That is good enough

 

[Eternally Grateful]

So you think you have the knowledge, awareness, or even the intelligence to know.

I just asked you a question.

If I KNEW, I would not ask now would I.

come on man.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Is from the Bible you wrote.

so you cant tell us what kind of death you would call it?

if it is not physical death what is it?

can you answer the question please

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Interjecting biblical terms only causes false beliefs.
I will leave it to Christ...
John 3:18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
That is good enough

1. So when did you come to a state of belief?

2. What does this have to do with the death we had before we were born again? can you answer please

 

[Grailhunter]

so you cant tell us what kind of death you would call it?

if it is not physical death what is it?

can you answer the question please

See post 3133

 

[Grailhunter]

1. So when did you come to a state of belief?

2. What does this have to do with the death we had before we were born again? can you answer please

So when did you come to a state of belief? My first remembrance.
It has nothing to do with death.

 

[Corlove13]

The Gospel is Simple Trust Jesus.

FOR IN HIM YOU WILL FIND EVERYTHING YOU NEED INCLUDING FORGIVENESS OF SIN.



The Gospel is alive, JESUS IS ALIVE, The word is alive...THE SPIRIT IS ALIVE. LIVE IT OUT AND WE CONTINUE IN THE FATHER AND IN THE SON...AND CAN KNOW THE THINGS FREELY GIVEN...

There is a righteousness spoken in scriptures that is the “righteousness of faith”, which is from God. It is contrasted to self righteousness. For the righteousness of faith, is not a righteousness gained by the doing or working of the person nor by the works of the law, but is a righteousness apart from works, even the works of the law. It is righteousness imputed to him who believes as Abraham believed. Having said that, read the following passage.

Romans 4:4Now to him who works, the wages are not counted as grace but as debt.
5But to him who does not work but believes on Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is accounted for righteousness
6just as David also describes the blessedness of the man to whom God imputes righteousness apart from works:

God does not justify man by works, but by faith. For it is faith that is accounted as righteousness by God.

Tong
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This just came to me, "Let us therefore come boldly to the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy and find grace to help in time of need."

It is said in James 4:8 [read it all, I'm going back to read it]

Draw nigh to God, and he will draw nigh to you. Cleanse your hands, ye sinners; and purify your hearts, ye double minded.

Be back later this is Good stuff

This is something to look at.. @Grailhunter
I have some questions that you can help me with...and I don't either want to read into this passage...

 

[Grailhunter]

The Gospel is Simple Trust Jesus.

FOR IN HIM YOU WILL FIND EVERYTHING YOU NEED INCLUDING FORGIVENESS OF SIN.



The Gospel is alive, JESUS IS ALIVE, The word is alive...THE SPIRIT IS ALIVE. LIVE IT OUT AND WE CONTINUE IN THE FATHER AND IN THE SON...AND CAN KNOW THE THINGS FREELY GIVEN...


This is something to look at.. @Grailhunter
I have some questions that you can help me with...and I don't either want to read into this passage...

OK