I Suppose you could harvest the wheat of the field before the wheat is ripe, and fruitful but it would defeat the purpose of planting the seed in the first place. This is why Jesus used the analogy of the wheat harvest, and the early and latter rain to describe HIS timing and how His chiurch would GROW in the field and become fruitful. So no the early church did not have the full revelation as the Holy Ghost the Spirit of Truth continues to reveal Christ to us in His fulness. (John 16:13) To claim that a finite mind can know all there is to know of an infinite God is Hubris of the mental kind. There is SOOO much you are missing out on, and you do not even Know it.
No Pre-Trib Rapture, The Church Will Be Present On Earth To See The Tribulation And Second Coming
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I Suppose you could harvest the wheat of the field before the wheat is ripe, and fruitful but it would defeat the purpose of planting the seed in the first place. This is why Jesus used the analogy of the wheat harvest, and the early and latter rain to describe HIS timing and how His chiurch would GROW in the field and become fruitful. So no the early church did not have the full revelation as the Holy Ghost the Spirit of Truth continues to reveal Christ to us in His fulness. (John 16:13) To claim that a finite mind can know all there is to know of an infinite God is Hubris of the mental kind. There is SOOO much you are missing out on, and you do not even Know it.
Don't you see how you are relentless as you attack my character, my theology, my intellectual habits, is there anything off limits to you? Something you will attack?
All in the name of showing the power of the Holy Spirit?
And you have precious little idea of who I am, what my life is like, all of that. I disagree over this Latter Rain thing, and the gloves come off!
Seriously, take some time, think about this.
Much love!
There you go again getting all offended instead of discussing the scriptures posted, and refuting scripture with Scripture. Remember, You being offended shows I am on target....
You are living in fantasyland if you think I've said these things.
Full revelation of God? He is infinite. But does that mean this passage is not true? OF course not!
2 Peter 1:2-4 KJV
2) Grace and peace be multiplied unto you through the knowledge of God, and of Jesus our Lord,
3) According as his divine power hath given unto us all things that pertain unto life and godliness, through the knowledge of him that hath called us to glory and virtue:
4) Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.
Take those things He's given you, and go live the right life. And stop saying I mean anything different, unless you really do want to convince me you are a liar.
Much love!
And there you go labeling something as emotional content so you can avoid dealing with what I said.
Nevermind!
That is because you failed to stand corrected. You said no scripture supports the latter rain and i corrected you and gave you one and you continued to say there isn't one, even now you try and "explain it away" Anything but say "I am wrong" The hardest three words for you to say.
I Never denied that passage, I just said there is more he has to offer, and your missing out by not Hungering and thirsting for more of Jesus.
That's only 2 "wraths", because the lamb is God. We dont worship 3 Gods in the trinity, but 1 expressed in 3 persons. Also, the Devils wrath is still God's wrath. Creatures of wrath as described in scripture are both the instruments of wrath and the victims of wrath. The description of the battle of armageddon is of each man attacking each other, like the description of Gideon's small group of warriors facing the vast hosts of Midian in the book of judges.
In the books of the prophets there are multiple passages that say plainly that God uses kings and their armies as instruments of His wrath.
While there are many passages about the fierceness of God's wrath, there's only one that I know of that attributes wrath directly to God and not to men, Angels, or demons. Revelation 19 addresses the wrath of the Lord at His return and as the word of God.
15 Now out of His mouth goes a sharp sword, that with it He should strike the nations. And He Himself will rule them with a rod of iron. He Himself treads the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God. Revelation 19:15
Even in this work, we see the sword, the instrument of justice, used to strike the nations in judicial fulfillment of scripture.
In chapter 28 of the book of Isaiah we have this statement:
For the Lord will rise up as at Mount Perazim,
He will be angry as in the Valley of Gibeon—
That He may do His work, His awesome work,
And bring to pass His act, His unusual act.
22 Now therefore, do not be mockers,
Lest your bonds be made strong;
For I have heard from the Lord God of hosts,
A destruction determined even upon the whole earth.
Isaiah 28:21-22
God's character is defined by His love, not His wrath which is what makes His judicial work, His satisfaction of judgment upon the Earth, an unusual act.
Probably why we aren't supposed to read into scripture, but to draw meaning out of scripture, two very different things.
You have flatly denied the reality of what that passage says.
Unlike you, I can quote full passages, and simply say what they say, in the same words the Bible uses.
2 Peter 1:2-4 KJV
2) Grace and peace be multiplied unto you through the knowledge of God, and of Jesus our Lord,
3) According as his divine power hath given unto us all things that pertain unto life and godliness, through the knowledge of him that hath called us to glory and virtue:
4) Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.
God has already given to us all we need for life and godliness. We are not waiting for some special need to be met so that we can being to love others, and begin to have unity. He has already given us what we need to have unity with each other. If you are not in unity with others, it's not because God won't let you, or that He hasn't given you what you need.
That you don't share a sense of unity with other believers is not because God has not provided the means, He has. It's because your mind is not renewed to this truth, and not because we are waiting for another Pentacost. No such thing. But we have Him NOW. We've ALREADY received the outpouring of the Holy Spirit.
Much love!
It said those two words, but it does not teach the doctrine. And if fact, the verse says its the farmer that waits for the latter rain. This passage DOES NOT teach your version of Latter Rain,
AS IF
we do not have what we need for life and godliness.
They passage you quote does not say what you say it does. The passage I quote says exactly what I say it does.
No Second Pentacost.
You have all you need for life and godliness.
Much love!
I Cannot make you see what you do not want to see. Oh and I have quoted plenty of passages to support my positions, You just ignore most of them. Willful blindness?
Actually, You've quoted virtually no passages, and what you quote doesn't say what you claim.
But in most every post, you revile and insult me. I point it out, you cry, Offended!!!, I just point it out. All the emotional baggage is coming from your side, not mine. But I do point out your nonsense.
The Latter Rain doctrine is not in the Bible, even though you can find those words. There are other places that say those words too, but in the same way, they do not support your assertion.
In fact, your assertion is refuted fully by the plain reading of a passage I quote endlessly:
2 Peter 1:2-4 KJV
2) Grace and peace be multiplied unto you through the knowledge of God, and of Jesus our Lord,
3) According as his divine power hath given unto us all things that pertain unto life and godliness, through the knowledge of him that hath called us to glory and virtue:
4) Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.
And for holding to the truth of the Bible, this is what I get from you. Take a clue!
Much love!
2 Peter 1:2-4 KJV
2) Grace and peace be multiplied unto you through the knowledge of God, and of Jesus our Lord,
3) According as his divine power hath given unto us all things that pertain unto life and godliness, through the knowledge of him that hath called us to glory and virtue:
4) Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.
God has already given to us all we need for life and godliness. We are not waiting for some special need to be met so that we can being to love others, and begin to have unity. He has already given us what we need to have unity with each other. If you are not in unity with others, it's not because God won't let you, or that He hasn't given you what you need.
That you don't share a sense of unity with other believers is not because God has not provided the means, He has. It's because your mind is not renewed to this truth, and not because we are waiting for another Pentacost. No such thing. But we have Him NOW. We've ALREADY received the outpouring of the Holy Spirit.
Much love!
2) Grace and peace be multiplied unto you through the knowledge of God, and of Jesus our Lord,
3) According as his divine power hath given unto us all things that pertain unto life and godliness, through the knowledge of him that hath called us to glory and virtue:
4) Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.
God has already given to us all we need for life and godliness. We are not waiting for some special need to be met so that we can being to love others, and begin to have unity. He has already given us what we need to have unity with each other. If you are not in unity with others, it's not because God won't let you, or that He hasn't given you what you need.
That you don't share a sense of unity with other believers is not because God has not provided the means, He has. It's because your mind is not renewed to this truth, and not because we are waiting for another Pentacost. No such thing. But we have Him NOW. We've ALREADY received the outpouring of the Holy Spirit.
Much love!
I don't think God is internally conflicted.
God judges because He loves, not as an aside to His love.
Much love!
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If you wander out of Gods Order and Way of What is manifested from what is known but not yet manifested, you will lose your way of knowledge.
You can know WHO the Lamb of God is, WHO God is, WHO Christ is etc. But mankind has seen NONE, as so just mentioned. Knowing they are ONE, is knowledge. Understanding their specific role is entirely separate of knowledge.
Nonsense.
Wayward!
Whatever 'instrument" God uses to effect His Wrath, does not MAKE HIS WRATH, "the instrument"!
The Lambs Wrath, is manifested, because of the Lambs Anger for Rejection.
The Devils Wrath, is manifested, because of the Devils anger for Rejection.
Gods Wrath, is manifested, because of Gods Anger for Rejection.
The "instrument", is not Angry!
The "instrument", is not being Rejected.
The "instrument", i.e. the tool, army, earth, insects, angels, men, all belong to God to use in any manner He chooses to effect His Will.
Irrelevant.
No one said God is "defined" by His wrath.
Like I said:
I Cannot make you see what you do not want to see. Oh and I have quoted plenty of passages to support my positions, You just ignore most of them. Willful blindness?
If You cannot see the analogy of the harvest being used in scriptures to describe the church then you just plain ignorant. It is literally spoken of hundreds of times, from the wheat and tares to the final harvest is Revelation 14. The Culture the Bible was written in is a agricultural community, the analogy of planting and harvesting an everyday event to these people hence the reason why this along with birth are used as analogies of the end times and events in the church. The Apostles themselves understood that pentecost was the Early rain Spoken of By Joel and Quoted that passage to prove that. An Early rain implies a latter rain and a harvest. Jesus Spoke of sowing and planting spoke of a time when the harvest is plenty the workers few etc. He Spoke of the harvest of the wheat and the tares at when he comes again, He spoke of the Wheat harvests and the grape harvest, the winepress, the threshing floor, these were all analogies to illustrate points he was making.
Be patient therefore, brethren, unto the coming of the Lord. Behold, the husbandman waiteth for the precious fruit of the earth, and hath long patience for it, until he receive the early and latter rain. James 5:7 Tells us exactly WHEN the Latter rain occurs, at the second coming, It is this event that precedes the harvest in the agricultural cycle, so there should be no question when this occurs we will be departing shortly thereafter. These words SHOULD make you rejoice, the fact that the Holy Ghost is showing this to large segments of the church in this day and age is asign of His near coming and instead you choose to mock and get defensive.... May the Lord rebuke you for this.
You do not want to see, because you do not want to agree with anything i say. That is how much you hate me. That is the real problem here. You cannot even say I am sorry or stand corrected when i showed you where latter rain is spoken of. Instead you try and explain it away. This inability on your part to stand corrected is not a sign of strength on your part, But a total lack of character. It comes from a Narcissistic heart that is never in error and always right. Quite frankly it speaks poorly of who you are.
You see Discipline is all about learning to admit your errors and repent of them, and to grow from them. A wise man loves correction, and thrives in that and will become even wiser by listening to others an fool will Not.
Reprove not a scorner, lest he hate thee: rebuke a wise man, and he will love thee. Give instruction to a wise man, and he will be yet wiser: teach a just man, and he will increase in learning. (Proverbs 9:8-9)
So the question still remains, do you stand corrected?
Actually, You've quoted virtually no passages, and what you quote doesn't say what you claim.
But in most every post, you revile and insult me. I point it out, you cry, Offended!!!, I just point it out. All the emotional baggage is coming from your side, not mine. But I do point out your nonsense.
The Latter Rain doctrine is not in the Bible, even though you can find those words. There are other places that say those words too, but in the same way, they do not support your assertion.
In fact, your assertion is refuted fully by the plain reading of a passage I quote endlessly:
2 Peter 1:2-4 KJV
2) Grace and peace be multiplied unto you through the knowledge of God, and of Jesus our Lord,
3) According as his divine power hath given unto us all things that pertain unto life and godliness, through the knowledge of him that hath called us to glory and virtue:
4) Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.
And for holding to the truth of the Bible, this is what I get from you. Take a clue!
Much love!
If you cannot see how your behavior is completely inappropriate then perhaps you shouldn't be here.
Much love!
No where in the Bible does God tell us about some supposed "second pentacost". He already poured out His Spirit upon all flesh. But if you don't believe that, you won't walk in it.
Much love!
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