Jesus Is Our Truth, Reward, And Faithfulness So We Can Lie, Steal, and Fornicate?

[theefaith]

Please stop ... it is not the authority given by God to His Apostles that anyone here is arguing against.
Where do MEN get to claim that THEY have the authority that God gave the Apostles?
Where does GOD pass the authority from Apostles to their successors?

We have searched scripture and found NOTHING.
So show us the scripture that passes Apostolic Authority to "and their successors" or stop offering irrelevant scripture that has no part in our objection to the worldly authority claimed by a RCC that has strayed from the WORD OF GOD.

Jn 29:21-22 as the father sent me, I send you! Same mission power and authority
Christ had authority to choose apostles to be his successors so the apostles have same authority see acts 1 succession

 

[Eternally Grateful]

"They had no issue with the Sabbath such as you have..."

This is the basic problem here. You are judging and accusing me of something that I am not guilty of.

I never said I work 7 days out of the week. I never said I have an issue with those who refuse to as a matter of faith in Christ.

I do not have an 'issue' with a Sabbath day. I have issue with people, such as yourself, who preach all Christians must keep a Sabbath day, else be guilty of violating the law of Christ.

If I am mistaken, then correct me. State yourself plainly: Is it a transgression of God's commandment to work on a Sabbath day, or Seven days in a given week?

Col 2 16 So let no one judge you in food or in drink, or regarding a festival or a new moon or sabbaths, 17 which are a shadow of things to come, but the substance is of Christ.

 

[robert derrick]

Col 2 16 So let no one judge you in food or in drink, or regarding a festival or a new moon or sabbaths, 17 which are a shadow of things to come, but the substance is of Christ.

And if they respond, I am not judging you, but only telling you to keep the Sabbath, because it is still a holy commandment of God.

Or perhaps, I am only trying to get you to see and understand the wonderful blessedness of partaking of a Sabbath day every week unto the Lord, because it is a holy gift given to all...

 

[Eternally Grateful]

And if they respond, I am not judging you, but only telling you to keep the Sabbath, because it is still a holy commandment of God.

Or perhaps, I am only trying to get you to see and understand the wonderful blessedness of partaking of a Sabbath day every week unto the Lord, because it is a holy gift given to all...

I was just showing how we are not to judge people concerning sabbaths. Another passage says some claim a day. others claim every day. As long as they do it as unto the lord.

 

[Brakelite]

Thing is this. You all need to answer the question... Who's authority are you surrendered to? God has a day. It hasn't changed. God hasn't changed. Jesus said He didn't come to change the law. That so long as heaven and earth exist, the law will continue. Isaiah 66 reveals that the Sabbath will be observed in the new earth. So since creation, and on into the eternity future, the Sabbath remains. God's holy day. Can we do with it whatever we want?
On the other hand we have the church telling us we ought to observe another day... Or every day... Or Jesus is the Sabbath... Anything but God's day. Is the church your authority? Or God?

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Thing is this. You all need to answer the question... Who's authority are you surrendered to? God has a day. It hasn't changed. God hasn't changed. Jesus said He didn't come to change the law. That so long as heaven and earth exist, the law will continue. Isaiah 66 reveals that the Sabbath will be observed in the new earth. So since creation, and on into the eternity future, the Sabbath remains. God's holy day. Can we do with it whatever we want?
On the other hand we have the church telling us we ought to observe another day... Or every day... Or Jesus is the Sabbath... Anything but God's day. Is the church your authority? Or God?

the inspired word of God says we are not to judge a person for this.

So we have answered the question.

Don't just a person because they happen to take a day of rest on Sunday or minday or tuesday. or they give every day to the lord.

 

[Brakelite]

A commandment to justify neglect? Like: Thou art not required to... or, Thou mayest not do... or Thou mayest neglect...?

You talk about the Sabbath as a free gift available for the taking and using as a blessing, and what anyone does with it is entirely up to them.

Ok, perhaps I am mistaken and owe you an apology for misreading you.

The Sabbath day today in the law of Christ and the New Testament of our risen Saviour is a gift. Not a commandment. If we choose to partake, we are blessed. If we choose to work, we are not as blessed, but are not unholy transgressors.

Correct?

1.Disobedience to the ten commandments is still sin.
2. Unrepentant sinners are not saved sinners.
3. The ten commandments have never been cancelled.
4. The law of Christ doesn't contradict the law of God.
5. You know that murderers, thieves, liars, adulterers, covetous, idolaters, blasphemers, do not get to enter heaven. Unless they turn away from that sin, receive forgiveness, and live in faith receiving the righteousness of Christ and obey God. Yes. Salvation is conditional.
5. The Sabbath Commandment is an integral part of that same law that was at one time written in the tables of stone, but is now written on fleshly tables of the heart.
6. As I explained in a previous post... The weekly Sabbath was never a shadow of anything to do with remedial activity to the sin issue, because it was instituted before sin was an issue. Therefore it isn't a type that was met by an antitype. It's still a day holy to the Lord. And you are all dutifully ignoring that fact.

 

[Brakelite]

the inspired word of God says we are not to judge a person for this.

Based I presume on
KJV Romans 14:5-6
5 One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.
6 He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard it. He that eateth, eateth to the Lord, for he giveth God thanks; and he that eateth not, to the Lord he eateth not, and giveth God thanks.

That's an interesting scripture. With that in mind, particularly the part that says, let everyone be persuaded in his own mind, I would remind you that throughout Christian history, from the 4th century on, it was those who chose to observe the biblical Sabbath that were persecuted by Sunday keepers... First, along with Jews by pagan Rome, then the Catholic Church after they adopted the Roman day, then in the new world by the Puritans. No where in history are Sunday keepers persecuted by Sabbath keepers. So it's a little ironical that Sabbath keepers here are being told not to judge others simply because they point out that the law... The ten commandments... Is still an active and reliable and holy standard for righteousness. And as far as Romans 14 is concerned... You might have to do as little research to determine categorically that the day under question here is the weekly Sabbath and not one or more of the annual feast days that were indeed optional from the time of the crucifixion. Paul and others continued to observe Passover for example... But without the sacrifice. Paul took part in a number of the old ceremonies, even circumcising Timothy. But never did he suggest that doing any of those activities were necessary for salvation. On the other hand, he most assuredly did uphold the commandments. Calling them holy, just, and good. Calling sin by it's right name. Calling upon everyone everywhere to repent and forsake disobedience. Obedience was optional... But the reward of the disobedient remained constant. Eternal damnation.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Based I presume on
KJV Romans 14:5-6
5 One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.
6 He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard it. He that eateth, eateth to the Lord, for he giveth God thanks; and he that eateth not, to the Lord he eateth not, and giveth God thanks.

That's an interesting scripture. With that in mind, particularly the part that says, let everyone be persuaded in his own mind, I would remind you that throughout Christian history, from the 4th century on, it was those who chose to observe the biblical Sabbath that were persecuted by Sunday keepers... First, along with Jews by pagan Rome, then the Catholic Church after they adopted the Roman day, then in the new world by the Puritans. No where in history are Sunday keepers persecuted by Sabbath keepers. So it's a little ironical that Sabbath keepers here are being told not to judge others simply because they point out that the law... The ten commandments... Is still an active and reliable and holy standard for righteousness. And as far as Romans 14 is concerned... You might have to do as little research to determine categorically that the day under question here is the weekly Sabbath and not one or more of the annual feast days that were indeed optional from the time of the crucifixion. Paul and others continued to observe Passover for example... But without the sacrifice. Paul took part in a number of the old ceremonies, even circumcising Timothy. But never did he suggest that doing any of those activities were necessary for salvation. On the other hand, he most assuredly did uphold the commandments. Calling them holy, just, and good. Calling sin by it's right name. Calling upon everyone everywhere to repent and forsake disobedience. Obedience was optional... But the reward of the disobedient remained constant. Eternal damnation.

This is all fine and dandy

We are still NOT to judge a person

 

[robert derrick]

1.Disobedience to the ten commandments is still sin.
2. Unrepentant sinners are not saved sinners.
3. The ten commandments have never been cancelled.
4. The law of Christ doesn't contradict the law of God.
5. You know that murderers, thieves, liars, adulterers, covetous, idolaters, blasphemers, do not get to enter heaven. Unless they turn away from that sin, receive forgiveness, and live in faith receiving the righteousness of Christ and obey God. Yes. Salvation is conditional.
5. The Sabbath Commandment is an integral part of that same law that was at one time written in the tables of stone, but is now written on fleshly tables of the heart.
6. As I explained in a previous post... The weekly Sabbath was never a shadow of anything to do with remedial activity to the sin issue, because it was instituted before sin was an issue. Therefore it isn't a type that was met by an antitype. It's still a day holy to the Lord. And you are all dutifully ignoring that fact.

Ok, Good. I like great plainness of speech. Now you have my full attention.

"Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days: Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ." (Col 2)

1. So Sabbath days are a shadow of things to come, but they never were a shadow of anything to do with remedial activity to the sin issue, because it was instituted before sin was an issue.

-What is remedial activity to the sin issue...which I think is connected with being an type or antitype. Not sure what you mean there. It is connected with being an antitype.

-Are you making difference between a shadow of things to come vs a shadow of remedial activity to sin?

2. Where does "Let no man therefore judge you" fit in, or does it not apply to sabbaths in the verse? Is Sabbath days exempted from the verse?

3. You call the Sabbath day a holy day, so sabbath days the same as holydays in the verse? So that they must also be exempted?


Thanks, I do appreciate it. I want to know as much as possible exactly what you believe.

 

[robert derrick]

This is all fine and dandy

We are still NOT to judge a person

One of them told me, they are not judging us. Just telling us we are eternally damned for choosing to disobey the Sabbath. On Saturday.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

One of them told me, they are not judging us. Just telling us we are eternally damned for choosing to disobey the Sabbath. On Saturday.

Salvation by works

They will get a suprise thinking all their work will save them

 

[robert derrick]

Based I presume on
KJV Romans 14:5-6
5 One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.
6 He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard it. He that eateth, eateth to the Lord, for he giveth God thanks; and he that eateth not, to the Lord he eateth not, and giveth God thanks.

That's an interesting scripture. With that in mind, particularly the part that says, let everyone be persuaded in his own mind, I would remind you that throughout Christian history, from the 4th century on, it was those who chose to observe the biblical Sabbath that were persecuted by Sunday keepers... First, along with Jews by pagan Rome, then the Catholic Church after they adopted the Roman day, then in the new world by the Puritans. No where in history are Sunday keepers persecuted by Sabbath keepers. So it's a little ironical that Sabbath keepers here are being told not to judge others simply because they point out that the law... The ten commandments... Is still an active and reliable and holy standard for righteousness. And as far as Romans 14 is concerned... You might have to do as little research to determine categorically that the day under question here is the weekly Sabbath and not one or more of the annual feast days that were indeed optional from the time of the crucifixion. Paul and others continued to observe Passover for example... But without the sacrifice. Paul took part in a number of the old ceremonies, even circumcising Timothy. But never did he suggest that doing any of those activities were necessary for salvation. On the other hand, he most assuredly did uphold the commandments. Calling them holy, just, and good. Calling sin by it's right name. Calling upon everyone everywhere to repent and forsake disobedience. Obedience was optional... But the reward of the disobedient remained constant. Eternal damnation.

Salvation by works

They will get a suprise thinking all their work will save them

Neither do I believe they preach the Sabbath in order to be saved. But rather that salvation is conditioned on repentance and obedience to the law of Christ and commandments of God.

 

[robert derrick]

1.Disobedience to the ten commandments is still sin.
2. Unrepentant sinners are not saved sinners.
3. The ten commandments have never been cancelled.
4. The law of Christ doesn't contradict the law of God.
5. You know that murderers, thieves, liars, adulterers, covetous, idolaters, blasphemers, do not get to enter heaven. Unless they turn away from that sin, receive forgiveness, and live in faith receiving the righteousness of Christ and obey God. Yes. Salvation is conditional.
5. The Sabbath Commandment is an integral part of that same law that was at one time written in the tables of stone, but is now written on fleshly tables of the heart.
6. As I explained in a previous post... The weekly Sabbath was never a shadow of anything to do with remedial activity to the sin issue, because it was instituted before sin was an issue. Therefore it isn't a type that was met by an antitype. It's still a day holy to the Lord. And you are all dutifully ignoring that fact.

I believe you are insisting on Saturday as the proper Sabbath:
1. Are those who choose to observe the Sabbath on Sunday equally guilty as those who don't keep Sabbath at all? Such as, the 'Sabbath' only exists on a Saturday, and what others may call a 'Sabbath' on any other day is not a Sabbath with God at all?

2. What are the hours of the Sabbath day? Is it also according to Jewish custom from Genesis 1, that the Sabbath truly begins on Friday evening, and ends on Saturday evening?

 

[atpollard]

You can be saved without a priest?
There is only one savior and he is a Priest, high priest, now who are the low priests?

There must be an echo in here.

Asked and answered ... and Matthew 24:13 still says NOTHING about needing a priest to be saved ... no matter how many times you ask the question or deflect with another question. It doesn't even really talk about "salvation" in general since is from the middle of a teaching on eschatology.

 

[atpollard]

There is only one savior and he is a Priest, high priest, now who are the low priests?

Jesus is "a Priest", huh .... like just one among MANY LORDS and SAVIRS that God raised up with the power to forgive sins?

Let's examine the need for "low priests".

• Who was Adam's priest that heard his confession and forgave his sins?
• Who did Noah turn to to hear his confession and forgave his sins?
• Who heard Abraham's confession and offered him forgiveness?
• Who was Peter's Priest?
• Who forgave Saul's sins and offered forgiveness to Paul?

Sadly, we do not have "low" priests.
Rather we suffer under Priests that "do all their deeds to be noticed by men" [Matthew 23:5].
We have priests that "love the place of honor at banquets and the chief seats" in churches. [Matthew 23:6]
We have priests that love being called with honorific titles by men. [Matthew 23:7]

We have priests that have ignored our LORD's instructions "do not be called" and "you are all brothers" [Matthew 23:8] and that "the greatest among you shall be your servant" [Matthew 23:11].

Since the RCC Priests seek to emulate the Scribes and Pharisees, let them take heed of the same Eight Woes that our Lord and Savior offered to them as a warning ... [Matthew 23:13-33].

 

[robert derrick]

Thing is this. You all need to answer the question... Who's authority are you surrendered to? God has a day. It hasn't changed. God hasn't changed. Jesus said He didn't come to change the law. That so long as heaven and earth exist, the law will continue. Isaiah 66 reveals that the Sabbath will be observed in the new earth. So since creation, and on into the eternity future, the Sabbath remains. God's holy day. Can we do with it whatever we want?
On the other hand we have the church telling us we ought to observe another day... Or every day... Or Jesus is the Sabbath... Anything but God's day. Is the church your authority? Or God?

Scripture is the only authority of God, and when someone poses to teach Scripture, they must be exactly accurate about what Scripture says:

1. "Jesus said He didn't come to change the law." That is a false statement. And in this context, can be said to be on purpose for the sake of keeping a false doctrine.

"Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil." (Matthew 5)

He did not come to destroy the law, but He certainly did come to change it, along with the priesthood, and the covenant itself (Heb 8:13), which Paul confirms:

"For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law." (Heb 7:12)

2. "That so long as heaven and earth exist, the law will continue."

True. The law of God will continue, which law God has changed according to Scripture from that of Moses to that of Christ.

The law of Moses is no longer the law of God. It was not Moses' as author and owner in the first place, but God's alone, and God has chosen through Christ to change His law.

3. "Isaiah 66 reveals that the Sabbath will be observed in the new earth."

It is clear that in the new heaven and the new earth, where all can see the carcasses in the lake of fire, that all flesh will come to worship the Lord from one new moon and from one sabbath to another.

Therefore, the Lord changed His law once before, and He can do so again in the new heaven and the new earth.

 

[atpollard]

Can a drunkard or fornicator or idolater inherit the kingdom of God?

YES ...

1 Corinthians 6:9-11 [NASB]

9 Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals, 10 nor thieves, nor [the] covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, will inherit the kingdom of God. 11 Such were some of you; but you were washed, but you were sanctified, but you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and in the Spirit of our God.​

Do you sin?

 

[theefaith]

There must be an echo in here.

Asked and answered ... and Matthew 24:13 still says NOTHING about needing a priest to be saved ... no matter how many times you ask the question or deflect with another question. It doesn't even really talk about "salvation" in general since is from the middle of a teaching on eschatology.

I never referred only to Mathew

matt 24:13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.

Matthew 10:22
And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that endureth to the end shall be saved.

Mark 13:13
And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.

Rev 2:26 And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations:

Separate issue

high priest

heb 6:20 Whither the forerunner is for us entered, even Jesus, made an high priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec.

now who are the low priests?

 

[theefaith]

Jesus is "a Priest", huh .... like just one among MANY LORDS and SAVIRS that God raised up with the power to forgive sins?

Let's examine the need for "low priests".

• Who was Adam's priest that heard his confession and forgave his sins?
• Who did Noah turn to to hear his confession and forgave his sins?
• Who heard Abraham's confession and offered him forgiveness?
• Who was Peter's Priest?
• Who forgave Saul's sins and offered forgiveness to Paul?

Sadly, we do not have "low" priests.
Rather we suffer under Priests that "do all their deeds to be noticed by men" [Matthew 23:5].
We have priests that "love the place of honor at banquets and the chief seats" in churches. [Matthew 23:6]
We have priests that love being called with honorific titles by men. [Matthew 23:7]

We have priests that have ignored our LORD's instructions "do not be called" and "you are all brothers" [Matthew 23:8] and that "the greatest among you shall be your servant" [Matthew 23:11].

Since the RCC Priests seek to emulate the Scribes and Pharisees, let them take heed of the same Eight Woes that our Lord and Savior offered to them as a warning ... [Matthew 23:13-33].

applies to the apostles of course