Ronald David Bruno
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We have a very fine scholary collection of English Bible versions. Teams of scholars, experts in Christian theology, history, Koene Greek, Hebrew, Hermeneutics, etc., worked on these translations for years to get what we have today.Ronald, why attach the person rather than provide a convincing argument as to what Paul had actually written in the Greek Text and provide the context of the actual words themselves. Is it because that is the only defence you know of and can use to defend your post above.
As for lumping me with the, and I assume, SDA's or Jehovah Witnesses, please be advised that I do not fit any of those cults like I do not fit into the Pre-Trib Cult or the reformational cults either.
I can only perceive that your rebuttal demonstrated your lack of a knowledge base to provide the basis as to how the English translation of the Greek Text should have been paraphrased in your opinion. I presented how I would paraphrase the last portion of verse 25, why do you not present your case based on the interlinear Greek word definitions provided above.
As for ripping this particular page out of my Bible and forgetting it, I have not done that. What I have done is provided the rational as to why I believe that your accepted "Paraphrase" of Paul's words is not the case as you have presented them.
I would welcome your words of wisdom if you can provide the evidence to cause me to change my understanding.
Providing the evidence for me to change my mind will go much further and achieve much more than simply just personal attacks on my person.
I await your more reasoned rebuttal.
Shalom
I use a half dozen versions myself. Sometimes I look at the Greek, but usually it is not neccessary - the work has been done already! I read the text and the Holy Spirit helps me to discern it. I'll examine other translations and compare them. You must be born again to discern scripture, might as well throw away your Greek Interlineary if you are not.
I think we had a debate a while back. Something is off about your Bible views - can't recall if you are Preterist, Non-trinitarian, Unitarian?
If you are in any one of those groups, I that explains it.
Just read Romans 11 and take the literal meaning. It is not to be taken symbolically. Words are very simple. You should be able to read them without having to look them up.
I've explained it over and over again. It is simple. You don't accept it, I don't care. I will not waste time and decipher every word. You remind me of Bill Clinton when they asked him if he had sex with Monica. He said, "Define sex?" Then later, "Define is". By golly, he had them looking it up, confused... and it worked for him.
If you think the Jews won't get saved - I don't care.
If and when you think it's going to happen - I don't care either. Don't care to debate with you. You'll find out soon enough.
What does Romans 11:25 mean?
I'm done here.
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