When You See the Abomination of Desolation Stand in the Holy Place

[marks]

Is there any precedent to an actual idol in an actual temple, that this might be what the Abomination of Desolation is speaking of?

When was this fulfilled? Has it been?

Daniel 11:31 KJV
31) And arms shall stand on his part, and they shall pollute the sanctuary of strength, and shall take away the daily sacrifice, and they shall place the abomination that maketh desolate.

Much love!

 

[marks]

There are 2 AoDs in the book of Daniel. In Dan 9, the AoD is, I believe, the Roman Army. In Dan 8 and 11 the AoD is Antiochus 4. Neither AoD is the Antichrist. And when Jesus referred to the book of Daniel in his Olivet Discourse, he was referring to the AoD in Dan 9.27. It was, I believe, the Roman Army.

There is one other,

Daniel 12:9-13 KJV
9) And he said, Go thy way, Daniel: for the words are closed up and sealed till the time of the end.
10) Many shall be purified, and made white, and tried; but the wicked shall do wickedly: and none of the wicked shall understand; but the wise shall understand.
11) And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days.
12) Blessed is he that waiteth, and cometh to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days.
13) But go thou thy way till the end be: for thou shalt rest, and stand in thy lot at the end of the days.

It will be set up 1335 days prior to Daniel's resurrection.

Much love!

 

[dismas]

Is the man of sin going to sit in you?

Much love!

The strong delusion is worshiping the man of sin. Christians worshiping the man of sin as a savior. There are plenty of people on this forum itself that would happily worship Donald Trump, as an example.

 

[marks]

There are plenty of people on this forum itself that would happily worship Donald Trump, as an example.

Worship Trump, is that so? Who would you say would do that?

I can't think of anyone myself. I'm wondering why you'd say that.

Much love!

 

[marks]

The strong delusion is worshiping the man of sin. Christians worshiping the man of sin as a savior.

2 Thessalonians 2:10-12 KJV
10) And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
11) And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
12) That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

That they might be saved . . . these are not. They are the perishing. Not saved. They would not receive the love of the truth. These are condemned, not believing the truth, and taking pleasure in unrighteousness. Not saved. Not Christians.

As far as what the lie is in particular, I wasn't aware that the Bible gave us that info, where do you find it?

Much love!

 

[David H.]

I for one completely reject the notion that having rescued us from the bondage of the devil inflicted through the fear of death, that God will then share us with that same devil. No way!

Ephesians 4:27

You Underestimate the adversary. He seduced a 1/3 part of the angels of heaven to follow him and you think he is inept to deceive you? Read Jude 1:8-11.

The following verse SHOULD bring fear to the hearts of men, who call themselves Christians, but most just overlook it....
I will therefore put you in remembrance, though ye once knew this, how that the Lord, having saved the people out of the land of Egypt, afterward destroyed them that believed not. (Jude 1:5)

is the man of sin omnipresent?

No, But Satan walketh to and fro seeking whom he may devour (1 Peter 5:8, Job 1:7) It Only takes One son of Perdition for Satan to empower, as he is the god of this world (2 Corinthians 4:4) ... and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority. (Revelation 13:2) We all have a carnal mind and the mind of Christ at war in us when we let the carnal mind win is when we give place to Satan, a foothold, This is how the falling away the apostasy begins The arrogance of the mind, the view that we are in need of nothing, that we are good with God, when in reality we are Poor blind and naked Spiritually. We say we are saved, but deep down we are living in unbelief, and when called upon to act for our beliefs we will cower in fear of death.... and the devil will then offer his version of immortality.

 

[dismas]

As far as what the lie is in particular, I wasn't aware that the Bible gave us that info, where do you find it?

It says it right there in the same passage...

2 Thess 2
9The coming of the lawless one is by the activity of Satan with all power and false signs and wonders, 10and with all wicked deception for those who are perishing, because they refused to love the truth and so be saved. 11Therefore God sends them a strong delusion, so that they may believe what is false, 12in order that all may be condemned who did not believe the truth but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

 

[marks]

You Underestimate the adversary.

This is where I'm done. Rather than just engage with the topic, you cannot seem to stop yourself from getting personal over matter. I believe in the power of God.

Enough said.

Much love! But little I can do, I'm afraid. I had hoped otherwise.

 

[marks]

It says it right there in the same passage...

2 Thess 2
9The coming of the lawless one is by the activity of Satan with all power and false signs and wonders, 10and with all wicked deception for those who are perishing, because they refused to love the truth and so be saved. 11Therefore God sends them a strong delusion, so that they may believe what is false, 12in order that all may be condemned who did not believe the truth but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

You will have to be more particular, and exegete it. I don't see Christians mentioned at all here, and I don't see the lie defined. Help me to see it.

Much love!

 

[Timtofly]

Let the reader understand. What should they understand?

Matthew 24:15-30 KJV
15) When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand)
16) Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:
17) Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house:
18) Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes.
19) And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!
20) But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:
21) For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
22) And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.
23) Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.
24) For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
25) Behold, I have told you before.
26) Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.
27) For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
28) For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together.
29) Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30) And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

The AOD,
Then the great tribulation
Then Jesus comes.

This is end of age.

People will be able to see it, and respond with material action.

This is visible behavior.

There are a number of different understandings of what the Abomination of Desolation is. What's yours?

Mine is basically that the Man of Sin, the one who will lead the empire of the beast, will sit in the rebuilt Jewish temple, proclaiming himself God.

Do you agree?

Much love!

I cannot accept this chronology. Not that Jesus was wrong. Jesus declared the end:

14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.

Then verse 15 and on starts from the end and works back through time until the Second Coming.

 

[marks]

Then verse 15 and on starts from the end and works back through time until the Second Coming.

I'm not sure how you mean this, can you elaborate? Are you saying that the AOD after the second coming of Jesus?

Much love!

 

[Jay Ross]

If this is what you are thinking, I'm not making that assumption.

Much love!

But you did make this statement: -

Mine is basically that the Man of Sin, the one who will lead the empire of the beast, will sit in the rebuilt Jewish temple, proclaiming himself God.

As the Holy of Holies is a part of the Temple, it seems to me that you are splitting straws as you are saying that the Man of Sin, i.e. Satan will sit in the rebuilt Jewish Temple. If Satan is demonstrating that he has replaced God, will he not also attempt to sit where God would sit in this rebuilt Jewish Temple?

Now if your expressed opinion is based on scripture, then please provide the scriptural proof that supports your assumption.

Added: - It is my view that Judah will attempt to rebuild the temple soon, but that they will not have the means to do so and will look foolish to the nations. It is also my view that Judah's attempt will be the motivation trigger for all of the kings of the earth to be drawn to gather at Armageddon to, for the last time, trample God's earthly hosts in Jerusalem and to stop Judah rebuilding the temple for good.

Shalom

 

[amigo de christo]

Is there any precedent to an actual idol in an actual temple, that this might be what the Abomination of Desolation is speaking of?

When was this fulfilled? Has it been?

Daniel 11:31 KJV
31) And arms shall stand on his part, and they shall pollute the sanctuary of strength, and shall take away the daily sacrifice, and they shall place the abomination that maketh desolate.

Much love!

My friend we have folks claiming this already happened . Some have said it was during the Time of BC even .
But how can that be . FOR JESUS SPOKE OF IT In AD time and spoke as though it were FUTURE .
Exactly my friend . OH its gonna stand all right . The Spirit of anti Christ has long been at work . The mystery of inquity
has long been at work . And now its all coming to a head .
Yall better watch out for this we are one all inclusive unity stuff . ITS GONNA LEAD TO THE MAN OF SIN . MARK MY WORDS .

 

[amigo de christo]

Some claim the son of perdition is not an actual man .
But again how can that be , JESUS HIMSELF called JUDAS a Son of perdition . OH its gonna be a man all right .
And , BY PEACE shall HE destroy many . Peace and safety , peace and unity , we are one . ITS LEADING
the ever merging religions RIGHT TO THE BEAST . But most folks think its love and lets just get along . I did try to warn folks .
That much i can say . You all are loved . My advice , FLEE this we are one unity with the RCC . FORE ITS TOO LATE .

 

[Jay Ross]

And this has to do with your view that prophetic days are actually 1000 year stretches?

Much love!

Mark, I was quoting scripture when I referenced that Daniel 7:11-12 is separated from Daniel 7:25-26 by over 1,000 years. Satan, we are told in Revelation 20:2-3, and 7, is imprisoned for 1,000 years. We know that Satan is judged with the other heavenly hosts, i.e. the four beasts and the little horn in heaven, Isiah 24:21-22 and immediately gathered with the judged kings of the earth and imprisoned in a pit/cistern, i.e. the Bottomless Pit, for many days to await the time of their punishment.

We know that the Daniel 9:27 happens after Satan, along with the other heavenly hosts and the kings of the earth, is released from the bottomless pit and that there is a period of around 7 years for this prophecy to fully unfold.

We are also Given this information about some of Satan's activities after he is released from his prison: -

Revelation 20:7-9: - 7 Now when the thousand years have expired, Satan will be released from his prison 8 and will go out to deceive the nations which are in the four corners of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle, whose number is as the sand of the sea. 9 They went up on the breadth of the earth and surrounded the camp of the saints and the beloved city. And fire came down from God out of heaven and devoured them.​

Additional time will also be required for Satan to go out to deceive the nations, to form an army for battle and to gather surrounding the camp of the Saints and the beloved city.

As for your assumption that I believe that prophetic days are actually 1,000 year stretches, you could not be further from the truth about my understanding of scripture in this regards. What I have said in the past is that a Day of the Lord is a little longer than 1,000 solar years within man's time frame of reference whereas there are two references i.e. 2 Peter 3:8 and Psalm 90:4 which have been translated that a Day of the Lord is stated as being 1,000 years in duration.

The usual understanding of prophetic days, let us say with respect to Daniel's prophecies, is that a day is equivalent to a year in real time. That is where we get 490 years from for the Daniel 9:24 prophecy and 2,300 years from the Daniel 8:14 prophetic verse.

Mark it is not good for you to put another member down through the use of false arguments.

I have backed up my above posts with scripture. How have you backed up what you have posted when posting your rebuttals.

Shalom

 

[Daniel Veler]

Mark what verses you wrote have a lot of mysteries in them. They require understanding only from God. Search the scriptures and the mysteries will be unlocked to you. There is one verse mentioned that I’d like to tell you about.

“22) And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.”

Christ tells us the days will be shortened before the false Christ appears. Some believe when Christ referred to days meant months maybe years would be shortened. But the true understanding is in Revelation. At the fourth trumpet when both night and day are shortened by 1/3 which is four hours each. Making the day shorter. The 24 hour day as we know it will become 16 hours a day. Then what did Christ say next. Then at that time the false Christ will come.
Many on this thread will say this isn’t true. Mark read the scriptures you posted then go to revelation and see. Let God’s word be true. Many will say that this word means this or that. Trust the word of God and when you feel like your at the end of the road ask God he is faithful to give you understanding through the eyes of the Holy Spirit.

 

[David H.]

This is where I'm done. Rather than just engage with the topic, you cannot seem to stop yourself from getting personal over matter. I believe in the power of God.

Truth is a hard pill to swallow sometimes. To warn you not to underestimate the adversary is a worthy warning that all should heed, such is nature of the deceiver. This is quite "On topic", You just do not want to hear it. Transhumanism is the mark of the beast and the abomination is a man becoming immortal via transhumanist technology. Satan standing in the Holy Place (the Mind of man) where God should dwell, and declaring himself God. Making the image of the beast live (come to life) Is all a part of it. In Daniel there are three diverse abominations discussed, there is Antiochus Epiphanes which is the 2300 days of Daniel 8 fulfilled to the day, which was a type of the end times abomination.... it was both a one time act and a time period of abomination which is what Daniel 7:25 is speaking of. Then there is Daniel 11:31 which discusses the abomination of the Romans in 70ad The ones doing exploits the early church. Daniel 12 Is the only one that points to Jerusalem and the Dome of the Rock on the Holy Mount being set up as that abomination. They are all tied together.

The end time abomination is different in that there is diverse holy place, not the temple mount as is presumed by most Scholars, But in the hearts and minds of men Until you see this you will be looking in the wrong place, which is part of the distraction..... and many in the church are distracted.

2 Timothy 3:7

 

[David H.]

For what it is worth, The time that the first temple in Jerusalem was looted by the Babylonians thus putting an end to the daily sacrifice (the lighting of the menorah) was 599/98 BC 1290 years from then exactly, the Dome of the Rock is dedicated on the temple mount (692ad). If You notice the wording in Daniel 12 it speaks of the abomination being set up then. Then we have 1335 days added to that and you can do the math as this comes out to the beginning of the third millennial day from when Christ Began His Ministry, Stating in three days I will raise this temple, speaking of his resurrection but also His second coming.

The abomination is both Physical and Spiritual, It is both tangible and relative, It will seem right in the eyes of many, But "Many shall be purified, and made white, and tried; but the wicked shall do wickedly: and none of the wicked shall understand; but the wise shall understand." (Daniel 12:10)

 

[CharismaticLady]

This part?

Daniel 7:8 "I considered the horns, and, behold, there came up among them another horn, a little one, before which three of the first horns were plucked up by the roots: and, behold, in this horn were eyes like the eyes of a man, and a mouth speaking great things."

Daniel 7:25 KJV
And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.

Much love!

Yes.

 

[solway]

(thinking)

Mark Elliot Zuckerberg (born May 14, 1984) In 2007, at age 23, he became the world's youngest self-made billionaire. As of June 2021, Zuckerberg's net worth is $123.1 billion, making him the 5th-richest person in the world. -wikipedia

The Antichrist can only be a Jewish Male, he will be gifted with the natural talent to exert a political pull, to overthrow the presidency and leaderships; of many countries. Harold Camping, said once, his date of May 21, 2011........paralleled the birth of the antichrist, would would eventually make his world wide declaration. Perhaps beginning with the USA Presidency...............(even Stephen Hawkings when asked about the Antichrist, said, thats something I cannot do, I'm not jewish).

Daniel Declares the Abomination of Desolation in the Holy Place

DANIEL 8:10 And it waxed great, [even] to the host of heaven; and it cast down [some] of the host and of the stars to the ground, and stamped upon them.
DANIEL 8:11 Yea, he magnified [himself] even to the prince of the host, and by him the daily [sacrifice] was taken away, and the place of his sanctuary was cast down.
DANIEL 8:12 And an host was given [him] against the daily [sacrifice] by reason of transgression, and it cast down the truth to the ground; and it practised, and prospered.

These two highlighted passages in Red, Translated into Political Authority. Either having Political Authority or Manipulating Political Authority. (susposedly he specifically has the ability to do that). Because the language highlighted in Red, deals with making "Transgression Prosper and Practised and Casing this into the Earth/Ground", that is dealing with men, and their doctrines, that translates into Political Authority.

The Truth is there..................there is several Jewish Males specifically controlling the wealth of the nations, that goes to show how filthy and unimportant the global economy is and the usa the head of the global economy, a few of them are public and a few of them are not public figures, one of them, must be the antichrist, it is only a matter of time before the Antichrist comes forwards. Claims he is a descendant of David, and in the Blood Line of the Jewish Peoples, and claims global authority. Breaks the Peace Treaty of Isreal, takes control of the middle east under one banner, and strips the usa of its global status. (which many believe President Biden, is, in league, and therefore his presidency will not only be successful, but he will have two terms in office leading to the emergence of the Jewish Messiah among the nations).

(according to Matthew 24:30, when his authority is rejected, he will kill a consider number of people with an unearthly power and at that time, all nations will surrender to his authority) (and this may begin when the usa tries to throw out his presidency) (so this is very soon) (and that is what makes Joe Biden's Presidency so important to the antichrist, it is his staging ground in understanding how he is to be implemented)