Ronald Nolette
Well-Known Member
In your dreams, and you must know this already.
I even would be very skeptical if you claimed Jesus/Yahshua is the Messiah with that silly comment you just made, as you believe in an unbiblical monster for the human Saviour. You say he is truly God the Son. I say he is truly the Son of living God AND the Son of Man. You must stick to your unscriptural God the Son and praise your god, and you can then never say he is also the Son of Man and the Son of God. If you believe you can still call Yahshua the Son of God and the Son of Man and God the Son, you might consider checking into a home for the spiritually insane. Maybe you have already? They are quiet popular you know. Just go the the nearest brick and mortar Trinity home down the street. You'll find many that speaka your language mate. I wonder if having the wrong Messiah means you also do not have the Father and the Son as it says in 2 John 22-23?
Do you deny the Son? You must, because you say he is God the Son. And then do you have the Father and the Son? Notice, John never says God the Holy Spirit in this critical area of scripture. And why do you think this is then? Because there is only God, the Father and his Son. The Holy Spirit is actually of the Father himself. This Trinity chaos does not go well with scripture, including the verses I just mentioned. You have to go into denial or deflect or add some other silly response to save face. And you can NEVER answer my questions directly posed here? It is impossible as long as you hold on to your monstrous pagan Triune God of 3 personalities. You mock scripture because you either really are too spiritually-challenged to realize it, or you do not care.
Happy trails....
APAK
Well that is your choice if you would reject jesus as messiah because I know the Bible better than you.
Maybe you should read John 5
John 5:18
Therefore the Jews sought the more to kill him, because he not only had broken the sabbath, but said also that God was his Father, making himself equal with God.
23 That all men should honour the Son, even as they honour the Father. He that honoureth not the Son honoureth not the Father which hath sent him.
ohn 10:30
I and my Father are one.
John 14:9
Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Show us the Father?
and try the book of Revelation:
Revelation 1
King James Version
1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:
2 Who bare record of the word of God, and of the testimony of Jesus Christ, and of all things that he saw.
3 Blessed is he that readeth, and they that hear the words of this prophecy, and keep those things which are written therein: for the time is at hand.
4 John to the seven churches which are in Asia: Grace be unto you, and peace, from him which is, and which was, and which is to come; and from the seven Spirits which are before his throne;
5 And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood,
6 And hath made us kings and priests unto God and his Father; to him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.
7 Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.
8 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.
9 I John, who also am your brother, and companion in tribulation, and in the kingdom and patience of Jesus Christ, was in the isle that is called Patmos, for the word of God, and for the testimony of Jesus Christ.
10 I was in the Spirit on the Lord's day, and heard behind me a great voice, as of a trumpet,
11 Saying, I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last: and, What thou seest, write in a book, and send it unto the seven churches which are in Asia; unto Ephesus, and unto Smyrna, and unto Pergamos, and unto Thyatira, and unto Sardis, and unto Philadelphia, and unto Laodicea.
12 And I turned to see the voice that spake with me. And being turned, I saw seven golden candlesticks;
13 And in the midst of the seven candlesticks one like unto the Son of man, clothed with a garment down to the foot, and girt about the paps with a golden girdle.
14 His head and his hairs were white like wool, as white as snow; and his eyes were as a flame of fire;
15 And his feet like unto fine brass, as if they burned in a furnace; and his voice as the sound of many waters.
16 And he had in his right hand seven stars: and out of his mouth went a sharp twoedged sword: and his countenance was as the sun shineth in his strength.
17 And when I saw him, I fell at his feet as dead. And he laid his right hand upon me, saying unto me, Fear not; I am the first and the last:
18 I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death.
Jesus declared Himself the first and last and the almighty- if you were educated in grammar you will be able to see this. As for the first and last?
Isaiah 44:6
King James Version
6 Thus saith the Lord the King of Israel, and his redeemer the Lord of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God.
Two people named Jehovah are speaking here! and they are the first and last!
Revelation 21
King James Version
21 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.
4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.
5 And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.
6 And he said unto me, It is done. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely.
Jesus is speaking here as well!
12 And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.
13 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.
14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.
15 For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.
16 I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.
then in John 20:
28 And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God.
Don't trot out that worn out lie that Thomas simply made an exclamation like we do "Oh my god" He would not do that as a good Jew!
Why did not Jesus correct Him? why did not Jesus rebuke Him and say He was Not Thomas' God (The definite article appears in the manuscripts before Lord and God, so Thomas called Jesus His Lord and His god) Why did'nt Jesus tell Thomas He was in error that Jesus was a God but not God with HIs Father?
Sorry but you are confusing nature with person as do all unitarians and JW's.