Just because you don’t like the answer, doesn’t mean you did not get an answer.
Summarize the unanswered part of your question. This should be good.
you never answered a single scripture on the trinity either???
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Just because you don’t like the answer, doesn’t mean you did not get an answer.
Summarize the unanswered part of your question. This should be good.
False there not in Christ,Yes. If the HS tells Jesus to go to the desert and Paul to the sea, both act according to divine guidance.
A question I’ve asked but got an answer to is how your view abandons the millions of people who come to Christ through the literally tens of thousands of Protestant sects? It is a False Alternative that these people would be brought to God through one corrupt denomination, aka the Catholic Church.
Nope - I didn't "side step" anything.I am confident the HS does not consider major doctrines to be the same as you. And your reply totally side steps my question.
Not surprising. Most traditionalists would rather people not come to Christ if they don’t first embrace your IDOL, so called major doctrines.
Sooooo, does that mean that you can't address the Scriptural evidence I presented in post #490 for Mary being the fulfillment of the OT type that was the Ark of the Covenant?You started it:
Mary doesn't NEED to be a "mind reader" - nor does any other saint in Heaven. They hear the petitions for prayer by the power of Almighty God because they have been made PERFECT in Christ (Rev. 21:27). EVERYTHING and EVERY power given in Heaven is from God - NOT the people themselves.I do, just not the ability to see into hundreds of millions of people's heart's everyday, reading their deepest thoughts, desires and needs, since they are all not being specific about what they want after repeating empty Hail Marys. Mary must be a pretty good mind reader - Oh well - everybody is hailing her ... I guess she is seated at the left hand of God? I wonder, since you say she is the "mother" of God the Son, does that make her the Father's wife?
Ummmmm, NO - it's doesn't require omniscience to hear a FINITE number of prayers.That requires omniscience. Knowing what is inside a billion hearts and minds and answering them everyday - I guess you really believe she has been elevated to something divine. Angels can't even read minds, not one person and you have Mary knowing what everyone is thinking and praying - THAT IS ABSURD! But only19 verses for Mary, it so sad they didn't mention this divine person anymore than that.
Time for a Bible lesson . . .Actually what were her real responsibilities? She gave birth, fed the baby, cooked, cleaned the house, made him clothes, told him stories. ? Sounds like a normal mom. What else? Oh, she lost him for three days - didn't realize He was missing. Apparently she didn't have those tremendous mind reading abilities before she got to heaven. They go back to Jerusalem to find him in the Temple and the 12 year old Jesus corrects his Mom because she didn't know that He was about His Father's business. She couldn't even read her own son's mind. I guess she got an upgrade, from zero mind reading abilities to knowing what the hecknevery single Hail Mary means. As used to say when Ibwas young, far out!
Ummmmm, ONE more time . . .I didn't say that. I just think Mary and everyone else is not aware of what is going on on earth. Heaven is a perfect environment, without sin and that means without a vision of sins going on down here or pain and suffering going on down here. Why would people in Heaven be exposed to all the evils on earth? That would be depressing don't you think? Every tear is wiped away, therefore, it stands to reason that there is nothing at all to cry about, be depressed over, dyer problems to help remedy, knowing about or seeing anyone else depressed. Heaven is all good, happy - no sadness. Why would God allow evil thoughts in heaven for people to be tormented with?
But you have Mary carrying the load of billions of souls pain and suffering. Do you think she would want that job even if she could handle it? She can't nor does she. This whole thing about Mary is a fabrication, based on misunderstanding, misinterpretations, turned into false doctrine and tradition. You have proven your lack of discernment.
The prayers are in the form of incense. Simce there are billikns, they are like tiny particles. Rhey give them to God- they dont knkw what is in them. Do you think they have special smell detectors built in to their nostrils so that as they breathe in the prayers and dicipher what they are praying? Cool. As they take a deep breath ... "Oh the Buffingtons need help with their daughter down there, Suzy's boyfriend dumped her and well she lost it .. she is on her 93rd Hail Mary- oh my!"
I will put my special request not to get those special incense detectors installed in my new nose - thank you very much.
Please explain to me, then how Jesus is God and was God in the womb - yet Mary DIDN'T carry God in her womb.I agree with the top part intil you get to Mary ... who was on that council?.I know, that was the beginning of the Women's Lib movement. Theotokos? ERROR
It's funny, coming from a Catholic, how within the very scripture of the OP, lies the qualifications of water baptism and the disqualification of infant baptism:and there are many they cannot answer
Philip preached Jesus! How does the eunuch know about baptism???????????????????????
explain acts 8 then
35 Then Philip opened his mouth, and began at the same scripture, and preached unto him Jesus.
36 And as they went on their way, they came unto a certain water: and the eunuch said, See, here is water; what doth hinder me to be baptized?
37 And Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest. And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God.
38 And he commanded the chariot to stand still: and they went down both into the water, both Philip and the eunuch; and he baptized him.
39 And when they were come up out of the water, the Spirit of the Lord caught away Philip, that the eunuch saw him no more: and he went on his way rejoicing.
why the same doctrine? Faith and baptism
Why rejoice? Faith and baptism make him a Christian
Member of Christ in the new covenant
1 Corinthians 12:13
For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.
Galatians 3:27
For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
Philip preached Jesus! How does the eunuch know about baptism????
Nope - I didn't "side step" anything.
I answered your question the Catholic position that properly Baptized Trinitarian Protestants are, in fact, fellow Christians - albeit, disobedient Christians.
How does that "side step" your question?
A question I’ve asked but got an answer to is how your view abandons the millions of people who come to Christ through the literally tens of thousands of Protestant sects? It is a False Alternative that these people would be brought to God through one corrupt denomination, aka the Catholic Church.
It's funny, coming from a Catholic, how within the very scripture of the OP, lies the qualifications of water baptism and the disqualification of infant baptism:
"And as they went on their way, they came unto a certain water: and the eunuch said, See, here is water; what doth hinder me to be baptized?
And Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest. And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God. ACTS 8:36-37
Posing a question "no Protestant can answer" wasn't a trap for us, it was your own trap.
Ummmmmm, here s your "question" from post #495 is:Your ‘answer’ has nothing to do with my question.
And there you go, lying again.Putting aside all your caustic, holier-than—thou criticism, which is a lot to set aside, it is almost AS IF you are implying there could be a hint of good with those rascally, disobedient Protestant groups you despise so much. Correct me if I am wrong.
And you would be WRONG about that.I am confident the HS does not consider major doctrines to be the same as you. And your reply totally side steps my question.
Not surprising. Most traditionalists would rather people not come to Christ if they don’t first embrace your IDOL, so called major doctrines.
I believe I answered this satisfactorily.
I stated that people DO come to Christ through the tens of thousands of Protestant sects - but
MY problem with Protestantism is that you have to accept some pretty outrageous myths, doctrinal inventions and outright LIES in order to believe what you believe.
First of all - I have NO idea what you're talking about with your "But monkey" nonsense, but I digress . . .OK. The but monkey got me and that is all I could hear.
So, while it is good that you do admit that people DO come to Christ through the many Protestant denominations, your BUT MONKEY stopped from answering my question.
How your view is to abandon these millions of people who come to Christ via Protestantism that Christ found a way you and yours did not?
I know you want to run right back to the BUT MONKEY but hang with me here a bit. Your rush to condemn them for being ‘disobedient’ skips over achieving the most important part of being a follower of Christ, the Great Commission, bringing millions to be saved in Christ!
How do you answer abandoning this body of Christ? (And jettison the BUT MONKEY BS).
I don't start threads.Excellent topic for another thread. I hope you start one.
Your response is incoherent and scriptures not applicable.The requirements for Christian baptism and entrance into the new covenant of grace are not requirements if there not possible
Where do you get the idea you can make your own faith and your own salvation? Not from the Bible
There is no personal Savior or personal covenants
Lk 2:10-11 Jude 1:3
And you would be WRONG about that.
These aren't MY opinions
As Jesus states in Luke 10:16 - since YOU have rejected the doctrines of His Church - you have rejected HIM and the ONE who sent Him.
Good luck with that . . .
I don't start threads.
I'm only here to expose lies against the Catholic Church - and thee are PLENTY here . . .
What I do is point out facts. If Jesus states explicitly that His Church has COMPLETE earthly authority (Matt. 16:18-19
No - and I already proved that with Scripture.They certainly are your opinions!
Aside from being a fairly idiotic interpretation of the text Luke 10:16 is FAR more binding than YOU are willing to admit.Jesus said nothing of his doctrines. From a modern translation:
Luke 10:16 The Voice
16 Listen, disciples: if people give you a hearing, they’re giving Me a hearing. If they reject you, they’re rejecting Me. And if they reject Me, they’re rejecting the One who sent Me. So—go now
WRONG on all three counts.You do have a God complex. Christ. Church. Not the same.
Christ has ALL authority.
The denomination you belong to has no authority. That you rely on Scripture that does not support your position in the least is hilarious.