Folks are tired of a reformation and hunger for a transformation, which Acts 2:38 will provide
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Let's take a look at those scriptures.
John 7:38 He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water.
John 7:39 (But this spake he of the Spirit, which they that believe on him should receive: for the Holy Ghost was not yet given; because that Jesus was not yet glorified.)
There is no mention of the word "source." It does say, however, the living water is "the Spirit"
Now then, with this in mind, we can proceed to your assertion post #38...
So then, you are on record as asserting the water in John 3:5 is living water, which has now been shown to be Spirit (without using the word "source" which you added) and should read like this...
John 3:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of
Good luck with that.
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Ziggy
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Jesus said if your right eye offend thee pluck it out, it's better to enter into heaven with one eye then into hell with both.
Jesus said vs, Peter said
not touching that with a 10 foot pole.
Stop tempting me..
be gone
mailmandan
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So what you are saying is that the Holy Spirit is in essence a river of living water? So when we meet the Holy Spirit, we will be standing next to a literal river of water? Not hardly. Water cleanses, quenches, refreshes, and gives life. The Holy Spirit cleanses our soul, quenches our spiritual thirst and renews our being. The Holy Spirit is the source. Water represents the Holy Spirit’s ability to refresh us, quench our spiritual thirst, cleanse us, and bring forth life, the river of water that flows within our heart. John 4:13 - Jesus answered and said to her, "Whoever drinks of this water (plain ordinary H20) will thirst again, 14 but whoever drinks of the water that I shall give him will never thirst. But the water that I shall give him will become in him a fountain of water springing up into everlasting life."
You don't need to specifically spell out the word "source" in (John 3:5; 4:10,14; 7:37-39) in order to figure out that the Holy Spirit is the source of quenching our spiritual thirst, cleansing and regenerating our soul, causing us to become born again (from above) and receiving everlasting life in the kingdom of God.
No, it's still born of "water and the Spirit." You continue to grasp for straws and fight against the truth.
I don't need luck. I have the truth from scripture and the Holy Spirit. Good luck with substituting living water for plain ordinary H20 as the source or means of becoming born again.
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Ziggy
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Gen 2:10 And a river went out of Eden to water the garden; and from thence it was parted, and became into four heads.
Rev 22:1 And he shewed me a pure river of water of life, clear as crystal, proceeding out of the throne of God and of the Lamb.
Rev 22:2 In the midst of the street of it, and on either side of the river, was there the tree of life, which bare twelve manner of fruits, and yielded her fruit every month: and the leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations.
Gen 3:8 And they heard the voice of the LORD God walking in the garden in the cool of the day: and Adam and his wife hid themselves from the presence of the LORD God amongst the trees of the garden.
Gen 3:7 And the eyes of them both were opened, and they knew that they were naked; and they sewed fig leaves together, and made themselves aprons.
Jhn 7:38 He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water.
Rev 3:21 To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne.
What is this living water?
Neh 9:20 Thou gavest also thy good spirit to instruct them, and withheldest not thy manna from their mouth, and gavest them water for their thirst.
just food for thought..
hugs
Rev 22:1 And he shewed me a pure river of water of life, clear as crystal, proceeding out of the throne of God and of the Lamb.
Rev 22:2 In the midst of the street of it, and on either side of the river, was there the tree of life, which bare twelve manner of fruits, and yielded her fruit every month: and the leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations.
Gen 3:8 And they heard the voice of the LORD God walking in the garden in the cool of the day: and Adam and his wife hid themselves from the presence of the LORD God amongst the trees of the garden.
Gen 3:7 And the eyes of them both were opened, and they knew that they were naked; and they sewed fig leaves together, and made themselves aprons.
Jhn 7:38 He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water.
Rev 3:21 To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne.
What is this living water?
Neh 9:20 Thou gavest also thy good spirit to instruct them, and withheldest not thy manna from their mouth, and gavest them water for their thirst.
just food for thought..
hugs
Here is the scripture which you referenced, and what it says the living water is. Take note that nowhere does it use the word "source", that is a word which you used to fit something this does not say...
John 7:38 He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water.
[39] (But this spake he of the Spirit, which they that believe on him should receive: for the Holy Ghost was not yet given; because that Jesus was not yet glorified.)
I know perfectly well the water in John 3:5 is water. It is deceptive of you to claim I am the one grasping at straws, when YOU are claiming such foolishness as this...
John 3:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of
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mailmandan
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I see that you basically ignored everything I shared with you in post #65 and you continue to double down on your straw man argument. I can't help you any further and will leave you to your foolishness.
Ziggy
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John came baptising in the river Jordan...
Was this a figure or that river which proceeds from the throne of the Lord would come?
Prepare ye the way of the Lord, make his paths straight..
like a river without bends...
thinking
hugs
Was this a figure or that river which proceeds from the throne of the Lord would come?
Prepare ye the way of the Lord, make his paths straight..
like a river without bends...
thinking
hugs
Ziggy
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John gave you that baptism.... of earthy water, like the manna God sent from heaven.
Not that bread and not that water that comes from the Lord himself.
One is natural/earthy, the other is spiritual and it is life.
Not that bread and not that water that comes from the Lord himself.
One is natural/earthy, the other is spiritual and it is life.
Ziggy
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The reason you run away is because you know very well I addressed your post.
I let the scripture tell us what it says the living water is...
John 7:38 He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water.
[39] (But this spake he of the Spirit, which they that believe on him should receive: for the Holy Ghost was not yet given; because that Jesus was not yet glorified.)
Happy trails.
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He thinks Jesus was strangely saying this....
Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of HIS MOTHER'S AMBIOTIC FLUID and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
LOL
Has your eye ever offended you?
Do you obey Jesus or not?
Obey some things but not others?
Hmmm.
Well, contextually, you better hope Jesus was speaking exclusively to Jews that thought keeping the Law was their ticket to heaven....
Any of the Acts skipping frauds that preach that you don't have to obey Peter per Acts 2:38.
Ziggy
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And the branch says to the root, I have no need of thee..
Are Jews grafted in with the Gentiles, or are the Gentiles grafted in to the Jews?
and once they become grafted together... what happens?
Are Jews grafted in with the Gentiles, or are the Gentiles grafted in to the Jews?
and once they become grafted together... what happens?
Ziggy
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Peter was a Jew, Paul was a Jew, Jesus was a Jew...
And I sure hope I get included in those promises with them
amen
And I sure hope I get included in those promises with them
amen
Ziggy
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It's beginning to..
I can do all things through Jesus Christ my Lord
Jhn 15:10 If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.
There is only one ticket to heaven.. and we're going to have to share it as one people.
Gal 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
Don't be a divider, be a uniter.
Hugs
I am trying to unite you with the Acts church via obeying Acts 2:38.
Try to see that.
Stop trying to unite with frauds in the name of "love".
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