Can the Soul Die?

[Earburner]

How so? Lewis believed as I: the body dies; the soul is eternal.

How is a soul eternal?

 

[LTJMP14]

How is a soul eternal?

Not eternal in the same way as God is eternal, but our souls are immortal. When the body dies, the soul goes on to either be with the Lord or separated from the Lord for the rest of eternity.

 

[BroRando]

Many Religions teach that the soul never dies. IF that was true, then the Resurrection would be an unnecessary act. The teaching of the immortal soul not only rejects the Resurrection of Jesus Christ, but rejects the Resurrections that occurred in the Old and New Testaments. If there were such a thing as an immortal soul, then Jesus Christ would have no need to die such a horrible death.

Here are a few scriptures that expose Satan's Lie. (Genesis 3:4)

• Jesus said to her: “Your brother will rise.” Martha said to him: “I know he will rise in the Resurrection on the last day.” (John 11:23-25)
• “And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the Dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.” (Rev 20:13 KJV)
• “And have hope toward God, which they themselves also allow, that there shall be a Resurrection of the Dead, both of the just and unjust.”(Acts 24:15 KJV)
  
• Is There Hope for the Dead?

Jesus said to her: “I am the Resurrection and the life. The one who exercises faith in me, even though he dies, will come to life;" (John 11:25) Well... if the soul is immortal, then a person would never die anyways. Notice Jesus told Martha, "The one who exercises faith in me, even though he dies, will come to life;"

Do you SEE Satan's Ploy? You never die, why believe in Jesus Christ? He's not the Resurrection and Life.

 

[Earburner]

Not eternal in the same way as God is eternal, but our souls are immortal. When the body dies, the soul goes on to either be with the Lord or separated from the Lord for the rest of eternity.

Ok, so how does a soul continue to live after the physical death of our flesh? When did/does it become immortal (indestructible), which is to say that it lives forever?

 

[Brakelite]

@jessiblue The Lord Jesus Himself indicated repeatedly that the fires of hell are not quenched.

Not true. He said they were unquenchable. He didn't say they wouldn't go out when the fuel is spent.

 

[Brakelite]

@Backlit... I read the post... and made this comment on the other thread... I removed it and placed it here.. as I did not realize I had been transported to another thread...so you explained what an annihilationist was. I have never heard of this until NOW.

Ok... now I am starting to remember... I did not read past the first sentence calling yourself an annihilationist... I remember making the comment about swallowing something whole... and spitting out the buttons...

I don't see this as you do... obviously... but I can tell that you are passionate about your opinion. I am HUMBLE... however... I will not apologize for stating that I am GOOD with what God calls justice.... I will not double down on you for what you believe... I just don't understand how people can pick and choose which parts of God's nature they are ok with. I am good with all of it... this doctrine of eternal torment does not offend me in the least... because I know God is JUST. Again.. this boils down to people not understanding the OFFENCE of rejecting the blood of Christ. We don't have a clue how serious this offence is.

The determination of Christians to cleave to eternal torment like their lives depends upon it, and their stubborn reluctance to let it go in favor of a more sane and biblical teaching, reminds me of a woman incomprehensibly refusing to leave a violent and abusive relationship.

 

[Addy]

The determination of Christians to cleave to eternal torment like their lives depends upon it, and their stubborn reluctance to let it go in favor of a more sane and biblical teaching, reminds me of a woman incomprehensibly refusing to leave a violent and abusive relationship.

I get it.... you are not a believer in eternal torture. I don't think about hell... I don't understand how God is going to work it all out... it's NONE of my business... WRATH belongs to God.... and I am 1000% percent OK with whatever HE does. But I do believe a soul lives eternally.... it's the destination that is the question.

 

[Addy]

I've been pondering death and afterlife... there is so much I do not understand about the logistics of it all... and I am ok with that... I don't have a problem stating and/or admitting that I just don't know a lot of things.... and truly.... I am OK... and I believe that is OK.

There are many things I don't understand about God... there are many things that quite frankly are NONE of my BUSINESS... they simply belong to God and so thinking about them even is not a practical use of my time.... I prefer to live in the moment and simply give Praise and Worship to Christ.... all the day long... That is how I desire to live my life... each and every day.

These forums are filled with all kinds of arguments about a great many topics that NO ONE knows for sure... yet the arguing and fighting just does NOT cease... faction after faction... It goes ON and ON like that song that never ends... It's exhausting and it robs one of their peace.

I made ONE comment on this thread stating that I liked someone's comment and BAM!!!

In all honesty.... I think I may have developed a bit of a hard heart this last year since joining the forums... I have come to this place of NOT trusting anyone.... not believing what anyone has to say about ANYTHING... and suddenly... after watching all the strife that is happening.... I just DON'T care what ANYONE believes... and I certainly have not increased in my love of fellow Christians. There is not much I see here in these forums that I find attractive or that I would desire to have myself.

We are all called to work out our OWN salvation with fear and trembling... I am choosing to work out mine with praise and thanksgiving.

It really does NOT matter one iota what anyone THINKS eternity is... what anyone thinks about death and torture for those NOT in Christ... as opposed to the glorious life lived with Christ. It just does NOT matter... because THIS belongs to GOD.... and HE has a perfect plan.

I happen to believe that the spirit ( our souls) will not die... but rather live eternally. I am secure of my destination because I believe Jesus Christ is GOD... and that His precious BLOOD has covered and paid for all my sins. It's a done deal for me. I anticipate and look forward to my own death.... There is nothing on this wretched earth I want or desire... I am in constant want of going home.

As for hell... ( eternal torture ) received by those who have REJECTED the BLOOD of CHRIST... I truly have no idea what this is going to look like.... BUT.... neither does ANYONE else. It's all a guess at best.

@Backlit You mention being repulsed by this doctrine ( as you call it ) of eternal torture. You have equated it to a woman refusing to leave an abusive relationship.

My repulsion comes from Christians who are arrogant... and refuse to carry themselves in a respectful manner on these forums ( this is NOT you )...
My repulsion comes from false doctrine ( especially WoF... Catholicism... Calvinism.. and plain legalism in the form of those who believe you can lose your Salvation )... So many doctrines... so much perversion of the GRACE and GOODNESS of ALMIGHTY GOD.

One day... GOD is going to have HIS SAY.... and one day... JESUS CHRIST is going to hold court and every single soul is going to be judged.... The ONLY ones who shall be saved... are the ones WASHED in HIS BLOOD. This is not about us.... it is all about JESUS.... and HE is going to have way more than just 15 minutes of FAME.... It's going to be for an ETERNITY.

It's all about the BLOOD.... So many do NOT understand this... they try to add being good...doing good.... which has NOTHING to do with their SALVATION.

Anyways... these are my thoughts... about this topic... and unlike some who are open for discussion... I am NOT.

 

[LTJMP14]

Ok, so how does a soul continue to live after the physical death of our flesh? When did/does it become immortal (indestructible), which is to say that it lives forever?

Your soul is immortal at the time you are created.

 

[An Apologetic Sheepdog]

Not true. He said they were unquenchable. He didn't say they wouldn't go out when the fuel is spent.

If only people could grasp that

 

[An Apologetic Sheepdog]

Your soul is immortal at the time you are created.

No, that is not true. Not even with Adam.

 

[LTJMP14]

No, that is not true. Not even with Adam.

It is true. Thank you.

 

[Addy]

Not true. He said they were unquenchable. He didn't say they wouldn't go out when the fuel is spent.

Definition of not quenchable
Not quenchable; incapable of being quenched, extinguished, allayed, or the like: as, unquenchable fire, thirst, etc.

I am not sure in what context the word unquenchable is being used but by very definition... unquenchable means eternal...
as in ... the fuel NEVER gets spent... as in... souls never die.

 

[An Apologetic Sheepdog]

I am not sure in what context the word unquenchable is being used but by very definition... unquenchable means eternal...
as in ... the fuel NEVER gets spent... as in... souls never die.

No, that is simply incorrect

 

[Addy]

No, that is simply incorrect

Well... you will have to argue with the dictionary.... about the meaning of unquenchable.

 

[An Apologetic Sheepdog]

It is true. Thank you.

You talk in circles but ignore all scripture that refutes your claim.

In the Garden after Adam "became' a living soul- It was pointed out that he was removed lest he eat the "tree of life" and live forever.

You refuse to accept the actual definition of death and what scripture says about the 'second death" (self explanatory) in favor of some made up interpretation.

You cannot comprehend or acknowledge specific statements like "fear he who can destroy (not torment) the body and soul...

That's just a small portion

 

[An Apologetic Sheepdog]

Well... you will have to argue with the dictionary.... about the meaning of not quenchable.

You yourself say you don't know, don't listen, don't learn and you have no ability to discuss intelligently ( those are your own claims from the post above) on any point so how would you know what any of it means?

 

[LTJMP14]

No, that is simply incorrect

It is correct, and your giving your own definition to a clearly defined word. Unquenchable means eternal.

 

[LTJMP14]

You talk in circles but ignore all scripture that refutes your claim.

In the Garden after Adam "became' a living soul- It was pointed out that he was removed lest he eat the "tree of life" and live forever.

You refuse to accept the actual definition of death and what scripture says about the 'second death" (self explanatory) in favor of some made up interpretation.

You cannot comprehend or acknowledge specific statements like "fear he who can destroy (not torment) the body and soul...

That's just a small portion

Adams experienced spiritual death in the garden and body death after 930 years of phyical life. Adam's soul did not die because it is immortal.

 

[Addy]

You yourself say you don't know, don't listen, don't learn and you have no ability to discuss intelligently ( those are your own claims from the post above) on any point so how would you know what any of it means?

I am commenting on the word unquenchable with reference to what backlit stated

Not true. He said they were unquenchable. He didn't say they wouldn't go out when the fuel is spent.

I have made my beliefs clear... I believe in eternal punishment and torment... and I believe that a soul is eternal... I am not certain of the logistics of it all but neither is anyone else... that is my point. LOL

The word unquenchable means exactly that.... therefore backlit's statement of 'eventually going out when the fuel is spent' is not even RELEVANT as the fuel in a soul never goes out (so to speak ).