Grace-Haters are incapable of honestly admitting what the (P) in Calvinism really means.

[Iconoclast]

Adrian Rogers refutes Calvinism:

This sermon was totally refuted by Dr.White, back in 2011...on the dividing line program

 

[Cooper]

Hello Cooper,
Election is the work of God the Father giving a multitude of sinners to the Son.
He seeks and saves everyone of them.
Once called to be saints, all elect saints serve God.
The gospel is freely offered to all men who hear it.
A saving response only takes place when the Spirit regenerates a sinner.
No one"accepts" Jesus.
Those elected are made accepted in the Beloved Eph1:6.
Now it is true some are elected to a special calling, as Jer.1:5.....but this did not prevent or hinder his election unto salvation.

For God so loved the world (everyone), that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever (all people) believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. (John 3:16 KJV)

Salvation is the work of the Holy Spirit (the Comforter, sent by Jesus) not the Father as you say.

John 16:6-15 KJV
(7) Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you.

(13) Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.
(14) He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew it unto you.
(15) All things that the Father hath are mine: therefore said I, that he shall take of mine, and shall shew it unto you.

Salvation is a free gift. ALL are chosen (elected) for ALL have sinned and come short of the glory of God.

John 1:11-12 KJV
(11) He came unto his own, and his own received him not. So much for being the elect of God. They received him not.
(12) But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:
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[Iconoclast]

For God so loved the world (everyone), that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever (all people) believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. (John 3:16 KJV)

Salvation is the work of the Holy Spirit (the Comforter, sent by Jesus) not the Father as you say.

John 16:6-15 KJV
(7) Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you.

(13) Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.
(14) He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew it unto you.
(15) All things that the Father hath are mine: therefore said I, that he shall take of mine, and shall shew it unto you.

Salvation is a free gift. ALL are chosen (elected) for ALL have sinned and come short of the glory of God.

John 1:11-12 KJV
(11) He came unto his own, and his own received him not. So much for being the elect of God. They received him not.
(12) But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:
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I see you are a bit confused here.
In Jn1...include vs13 and it will help you.not of the will of man...not of the flesh.

Jn3:15-16....actually says....everyone believing.

Salvation is a work of God...all 3 persons

No...all are not elected.This is a complete falsehood.
Perhaps you should study the topic before offering such clear error.
In a rush now...I will offer some resources if you cannot locate them.

 

[Cooper]

I see you are a bit confused here.
In Jn1...include vs13 and it will help you.not of the will of man...not of the flesh.

Jn3:15-16....actually says....everyone believing.

Salvation is a work of God...all 3 persons

No...all are not elected.This is a complete falsehood.
Perhaps you should study the topic before offering such clear error.
In a rush now...I will offer some resources if you cannot locate them.

Yours is an incoherent mess. Below is not for debate. Disagree at your peril.

God’s plan of salvation for mankind.
Step 1: is to believe Jesus Christ is the eternal God, and the gift of our eternal salvation was gained by His vicarious resurrection thereby conquering Satan and death.

Step 2: The risen Christ, our advocate now pleads on our behalf. “So now, if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous: 1Jn 2:1., who is making intercession for us. Rom 8:34; Rom 11:2; Heb 7:25 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; 1Ti 2:5

Step 3: Is the Judgement, when we shall have to answer for our own sins.
If at anytime we deny Christ or His finished work on the cross, our salvation is in peril,“Who is the liar but the one who denies that Jesus is the Christ? This is the antichrist, the one who denies the Father and the Son. No one who denies the Son has the Father; everyone who confesses the Son has the Father also. 1Jn 2:22-23” for “it is impossible to restore again to repentance those who have once been enlightened, and have tasted the heavenly gift, and have shared in the Holy Spirit, and have tasted the goodness of the word of God and the powers of the age to come, and then have fallen away, since on their own they are crucifying again the Son of God and are holding him up to contempt. (Heb 6:4-6)

About those who wander astray we read:
Our Saviour, Jesus Christ the Good Shepherd will seek those who have wandered away from the fold, but the rebellious ones, who perhaps with the best of intentions, like the Galatians who went back to a work based salvation and the keeping of Old Testament festivals etc., so denying Christ’s redeeming work on the cross, will find their life with Jesus is finished. (Gal 5:4)

Finally, the Crown of Righteousness is not ours until we:
have fought the good fight, have finished the race, and have kept the faith. From now on there is reserved for us the crown of righteousness, which the Lord, the righteous judge, will give us on that day, and to all who have longed for his appearing. (2Ti 4:7-8)

Underlined. I read on the forums, so many people denying Jesus Christ. That is why I want to bring it to people attention.
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[kcnalp]

I'm not sure if attacking the fallacy of OSAS is attacking the Bible. Adam was not always saved.
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I wasn't referring to OSAS. The person I was addressing attacks our Bibles.

 

[friend of]

If we could lose our salvation, we would.

 

[Cooper]

I wasn't referring to OSAS. The person I was addressing attacks our Bibles.

That is who I was addressing as well. I'm sorry I didn't make it clearer.
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[Cooper]

If we could lose our salvation, we would.

It is only those who want out, the backsliders, etc. While ever we are in the family of God, our heavenly Father and Saviour keeps us safe and cares for us.
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[Iconoclast]

Anyone who suggests we could lose salvation has defective understanding of it.

 

[An Apologetic Sheepdog]

Anyone who suggests we could lose salvation has defective understanding of it.

That's about the best way I have ever seen that stated. I'm going to adopt that.

 

[Cooper]

Anyone who suggests we could lose salvation has defective understanding of it.

Adam.

 

[farouk]

Anyone who suggests we could lose salvation has defective understanding of it.

Romans 8.38-39 is very clear about the true believer's eternal security...

 

[Iconoclast]

That's about the best way I have ever seen that stated. I'm going to adopt that.

Sure thing.Salvation is the work of the Triune God from start to finish.
The only thing we bring is our sin and shame.
Our Great God has mercy on us...pictured in Ezekiel 16

Adam.

Not sure what you are speaking of Cooper.

 

[Cooper]

Sure thing.Salvation is the work of the Triune God from start to finish.
The only thing we bring is our sin and shame.
Our Great God has mercy on us...pictured in Ezekiel 16

Not sure what you are speaking of Cooper.

Read the top line in my signature.

 

[Iconoclast]

Read the top line in my signature.

It does not explain or prove anything.

 

[Cooper]

It does not explain or prove anything.

If you do not understand what God did to Adam, then tough.
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[Iconoclast]

If you do not understand what God did to Adam, then tough.
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God saves sinners. Adam was not born with any sin.Gen1:31.....so he was not yet saved. Your whole carnal reasoning is unbiblical.
After the fall God clothed them with the skin of an animal. You have no basis for your claim.
You do not understand biblical salvation.

 

[farouk]

It does not explain or prove anything.

@Iconoclast Eternal security for the believer is actually very clear, e.g., from Romans 8.38-39.

 

[Iconoclast]

@Iconoclast Eternal security for the believer is actually very clear, e.g., from Romans 8.38-39.

Of course it is. I actually believe in ;
Chapter 17: Of The Perseverance of the Saints
1._____ Those whom God hath accepted in the beloved, effectually called and sanctified by his Spirit, and given the precious faith of his elect unto, can neither totally nor finally fall from the state of grace, but shall certainly persevere therein to the end, and be eternally saved, seeing the gifts and callings of God are without repentance, whence he still begets and nourisheth in them faith, repentance, love, joy, hope, and all the graces of the Spirit unto immortality; and though many storms and floods arise and beat against them, yet they shall never be able to take them off that foundation and rock which by faith they are fastened upon; notwithstanding, through unbelief and the temptations of Satan, the sensible sight of the light and love of God may for a time be clouded and obscured from them, yet he is still the same, and they shall be sure to be kept by the power of God unto salvation, where they shall enjoy their purchased possession, they being engraven upon the palm of his hands, and their names having been written in the book of life from all eternity.
( John 10:28, 29; Philippians 1:6; 2 Timothy 2:19; 1 John 2:19; Psalms 89:31, 32; 1 Corinthians 11:32; Malachi 3:6 )
2._____ This perseverance of the saints depends not upon their own free will, but upon the immutability of the decree of election, flowing from the free and unchangeable love of God the Father, upon the efficacy of the merit and intercession of Jesus Christ and union with him, the oath of God, the abiding of his Spirit, and the seed of God within them, and the nature of the covenant of grace; from all which ariseth also the certainty and infallibility thereof.
( Romans 8:30 Romans 9:11, 16; Romans 5:9, 10; John 14:19; Hebrews 6:17, 18; 1 John 3:9; Jeremiah 32:40 )

3._____ And though they may, through the temptation of Satan and of the world, the prevalency of corruption remaining in them, and the neglect of means of their preservation, fall into grievous sins, and for a time continue therein, whereby they incur God's displeasure and grieve his Holy Spirit, come to have their graces and comforts impaired, have their hearts hardened, and their consciences wounded, hurt and scandalize others, and bring temporal judgments upon themselves, yet shall they renew their repentance and be preserved through faith in Christ Jesus to the end.
( Matthew 26:70, 72, 74; Isaiah 64:5, 9; Ephesians 4:30; Psalms 51:10, 12; Psalms 32:3, 4; 2 Samuel 12:14; Luke 22:32, 61, 62 )

 

[Cooper]

God saves sinners. Adam was not born with any sin.Gen1:31.....so he was not yet saved. Your whole carnal reasoning is unbiblical.
After the fall God clothed them with the skin of an animal. You have no basis for your claim.
You do not understand biblical salvation.

Rubbish.