The Plight of the Messianics

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I do not believe the so called Messianic Jews are truly about Jesus Christ at all. They have another Jesus.

Truly born again Christians are not about acceptance of Jesus as one's saviour, you do not accept him, he accepts you in fact and you obey in him, because you are one with him. not lost like they are, sure you must seek and hope to be found.

The Commandments are solid as ever foundation given by God ! but as to being under Grace is the great difference, if one does not understand that fact, one is not truly born again.

Jews for Jesus ? The Jews that were Saved 2000 years ago were not called Jews for Jesus, they became Christian end of story, there is not Jew or Greek under true Christianity in fact. you can not be two identity's in fact, or you are not Saved. you can not be 50-50 :rolleyes:.

Nowadays I hear this blasphemy of people claiming Judaic Christian values ? well the values are in fact not the same at all, because one is Carnal for this world, as they do not have the Holy Spirit in fact, so why try and peddle such nonsense, such is a great con job as it undermines Christ Jesus in fact.
I understand such as a carnal person not understanding the difference, because they do not truly know who Jesus Christ in fact. due to this world is as Jesus Christ said that he was not of this world. one must be in the Kingdom of God to understand.

That Mob are all about the second coming, they are truly looking for another Jesus to come in the flesh, but the fact is there is only one Jesus Christ in fact. Remember the Fathers only begotten Son ? get it. not to mention Jesus Christ did everything he need do, one just has to such pick up ? and the Holy Spirit does that. you can not add too.
If one is looking to a Man to come in the flesh, you have not been truly born again, because he has in fact given us all he need do, he did not make a mistake and has to come again to fix it or to add, it's done. Now it's for you to pick up !
Now some will get say 20% another 40% and so on ? before they are truly born again and then when you are truly born again you will grow as well in the Holy Spirit as one needs such to guide you. such a thing is not a movement, it's about you and Christ Jesus first and foremost.

The Jews for Jesus etc rubbish is a works of Man founded, even tho they reject and claim hatred of such as works, that is just a front from what I have seen of all of them, as they are blinded by this world totally as Jesus Christ pointed such out, they are of this world.

You’re using some false premises in your reasoning.

BTW there’s 150 references to Jesus coming again in the New Testament.
 

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Did you know that Moishe Rosen was witnessed to for two years, by Larry Norman, before he accepted his Messiah?
Did you know that Larry Norman held the first-ever Vineyard service as a way of having church for a handful of famous Christian recording stars without them having to spend most of the service signing autographs?
There’s a lot of His music on YouTube.
 
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Here’s some good R W Shambach preaching:

 

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I think I'm gonna change my name...
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I'm starting to think that before the awakening can get going, a generation or 2 may have to die off.
Tradition blinds people to the desire to know the truth.
They trust scholars to think for them. Acts 4:13
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Thanks for sharing your thoughts, Reggie. What do you think of the organization, "One For Israel?"
I do not know any of them.

I have learnt not to take any religious TV show too serious, I remember Rex Humbug and all the rest, sure they do say things that are true but that's the nature of con-artist, if they ask for money or make claims on what they have did or done or about to do, such is not truly worthy of God as such are just only works of Man.

I am one for Israel myself, that means one with the Servants of Christ Jesus.
I believe once one is truly born again then such a one Soul is Saved, as for the Holy Land ? well that to me is the whole world in the Kingdom of God.
Only Carnal people talk about a Place on earth that is Israel, because such is a worldly concept.

Did you know that Christ Jesus has never left us, I will be with you always, he said. now if one claims he is not with you then such a one is lost. but we have people looking for the Kingdom ? But the Kingdom is within you, it's within your grasp. One does not have to see it with your eyes. You are it = Israel, a Servant of God through Jesus Christ as you are truly his body because you abide in him only and are not of this world.

A place on earth such as the so called State Israel ? just does not cut it for me at all as such is another elusion of this world. Such if it came to be as many claim ? or want or demand, so what I say ! that just does not cut it for me, the Land will not Save anyone at all. Only Jesus Christ Saves.

My Jews for Jesus mate, makes huge Carnal claims and claims he is born again, well I know for a fact that he is not at all, as everything is carnal and worldly for him. he thumps his fist that it's not about the Holy Spirit, too me in great anger and that it's all about the Land and that it must be taken by force and to hell with the Semitic Islamic people, he claims it's fine to kill them all and rip them off and steal their Land, not to mention he claims he can kill whoever he wants to regardless. because he claims he is saved regardless. But I say No ! you can not kill as he says at all, such as that is of their Father of lies and who was a murderer from the beginning ?
It's all about getting that Land he claims, they have to win it all back, the whole lot ! But I say God will do all that and he does not need anyone to do his bidding. That Land will come back but that's in Gods time, not Mans.
But my mate shakes his fist and demands that Jesus come back and do his bidding ? The bidding of Man ? did they not get vomited out because they were on a Mans works trip and that's why they could not know who Jesus was ? They seen him in the flesh ! and that made nothing as to the carnal religious, even Jesus disciples did not know him truly until he went to Heaven and the Holy Spirit did the rest of the work in them all. they had faith in that he was Jesus the Christ, but you need more than Faith. you need to be truly be born again as that's the faith that can move mountains.
 

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I do not know any of them.

I have learnt not to take any religious TV show too serious, I remember Rex Humbug and all the rest, sure they do say things that are true but that's the nature of con-artist, if they ask for money or make claims on what they have did or done or about to do, such is not truly worthy of God as such are just only works of Man.

I am one for Israel myself, that means one with the Servants of Christ Jesus.
I believe once one is truly born again then such a one Soul is Saved, as for the Holy Land ? well that to me is the whole world in the Kingdom of God.
Only Carnal people talk about a Place on earth that is Israel, because such is a worldly concept.

Did you know that Christ Jesus has never left us, I will be with you always, he said. now if one claims he is not with you then such a one is lost. but we have people looking for the Kingdom ? But the Kingdom is within you, it's within your grasp. One does not have to see it with your eyes. You are it = Israel, a Servant of God through Jesus Christ as you are truly his body because you abide in him only and are not of this world.

A place on earth such as the so called State Israel ? just does not cut it for me at all as such is another elusion of this world. Such if it came to be as many claim ? or want or demand, so what I say ! that just does not cut it for me, the Land will not Save anyone at all. Only Jesus Christ Saves.

My Jews for Jesus mate, makes huge Carnal claims and claims he is born again, well I know for a fact that he is not at all, as everything is carnal and worldly for him. he thumps his fist that it's not about the Holy Spirit, too me in great anger and that it's all about the Land and that it must be taken by force and to hell with the Semitic Islamic people, he claims it's fine to kill them all and rip them off and steal their Land, not to mention he claims he can kill whoever he wants to regardless. because he claims he is saved regardless. But I say No ! you can not kill as he says at all, such as that is of their Father of lies and who was a murderer from the beginning ?
It's all about getting that Land he claims, they have to win it all back, the whole lot ! But I say God will do all that and he does not need anyone to do his bidding. That Land will come back but that's in Gods time, not Mans.
But my mate shakes his fist and demands that Jesus come back and do his bidding ? The bidding of Man ? did they not get vomited out because they were on a Mans works trip and that's why they could not know who Jesus was ? They seen him in the flesh ! and that made nothing as to the carnal religious, even Jesus disciples did not know him truly until he went to Heaven and the Holy Spirit did the rest of the work in them all. they had faith in that he was Jesus the Christ, but you need more than Faith. you need to be truly be born again as that's the faith that can move mountains.
God is using One For Israel, who are Israeli-born Jews, to reach orthodox Jews and Muslims, in Israel, with the gospel of Jesus Christ. They have many inspiring testimony videos on You Tube. Check them out some time, I think you'd like them.
 

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I do not know any of them.

I have learnt not to take any religious TV show too serious, I remember Rex Humbug and all the rest, sure they do say things that are true but that's the nature of con-artist, if they ask for money or make claims on what they have did or done or about to do, such is not truly worthy of God as such are just only works of Man.

I am one for Israel myself, that means one with the Servants of Christ Jesus.
I believe once one is truly born again then such a one Soul is Saved, as for the Holy Land ? well that to me is the whole world in the Kingdom of God.
Only Carnal people talk about a Place on earth that is Israel, because such is a worldly concept.

Did you know that Christ Jesus has never left us, I will be with you always, he said. now if one claims he is not with you then such a one is lost. but we have people looking for the Kingdom ? But the Kingdom is within you, it's within your grasp. One does not have to see it with your eyes. You are it = Israel, a Servant of God through Jesus Christ as you are truly his body because you abide in him only and are not of this world.

A place on earth such as the so called State Israel ? just does not cut it for me at all as such is another elusion of this world. Such if it came to be as many claim ? or want or demand, so what I say ! that just does not cut it for me, the Land will not Save anyone at all. Only Jesus Christ Saves.

My Jews for Jesus mate, makes huge Carnal claims and claims he is born again, well I know for a fact that he is not at all, as everything is carnal and worldly for him. he thumps his fist that it's not about the Holy Spirit, too me in great anger and that it's all about the Land and that it must be taken by force and to hell with the Semitic Islamic people, he claims it's fine to kill them all and rip them off and steal their Land, not to mention he claims he can kill whoever he wants to regardless. because he claims he is saved regardless. But I say No ! you can not kill as he says at all, such as that is of their Father of lies and who was a murderer from the beginning ?
It's all about getting that Land he claims, they have to win it all back, the whole lot ! But I say God will do all that and he does not need anyone to do his bidding. That Land will come back but that's in Gods time, not Mans.
But my mate shakes his fist and demands that Jesus come back and do his bidding ? The bidding of Man ? did they not get vomited out because they were on a Mans works trip and that's why they could not know who Jesus was ? They seen him in the flesh ! and that made nothing as to the carnal religious, even Jesus disciples did not know him truly until he went to Heaven and the Holy Spirit did the rest of the work in them all. they had faith in that he was Jesus the Christ, but you need more than Faith. you need to be truly be born again as that's the faith that can move mountains.

It sounds like you need to read the scriptures more, so you’d know the kingdom will come physically to earth when Jesus comes again, and that Jesus said to always look for His imminent return, and that He returns to Mount Olive in Jerusalem - and He comes bodily and physically, just as He ascended bodily and physically.

Yet you call doing what Jesus said to do, carnal.

Maranatha
 

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It sounds like you need to read the scriptures more, so you’d know the kingdom will come physically to earth when Jesus comes again, and that Jesus said to always look for His imminent return, and that He returns to Mount Olive in Jerusalem - and He comes bodily and physically, just as He ascended bodily and physically.

Yet you call doing what Jesus said to do, carnal.

Maranatha
I believe in the second coming is Salvation = Jesus but he does not come in the flesh. that's a Carnal perception, Jesus was in the flesh before they had no regard for him in the flesh then. but that's not the point, Jesus is a messenger.

Jesus Christ is here now, as he said that he would never leave us and they who hold on to nonsense about him coming in the flesh is because they are carnal, such lack what is truly the Key in all this, that is that you must be truly ! born again.
Jesus is coming in his Majesty ! Jesus is coming in the Clouds ! the Clouds represent his Majesty ?

Every eye will see him ? well how can that be when one is in the USA and another is in Australia etc etc well it's because it's a Spiritual awakening and every eye is in your mind, your minds eye so to speak as the lights go on as to the subject at hand in Christ Jesus = our lord and Saviour of our Soul.

Every person starting from the apostles on, when Jesus went to Heaven got the message from the Holy Spirit and all the people who were born from then on who were Truly born again were Saved, there Soul was Saved, they were the Body or Christ, now when the Second coming comes about all who survive will be a Soul Saved person, as after the great Hellfire all the deceptions of This world will be burnt up in fact, so the delusions will not be, because this world that Jesus said that he was not of ? remember ! so from that point comes the Kingdom of God.

Now I am of the Kingdom of God now and so are all who at Truly born again, so what we are who are in the Kingdom of God is that, we are sent back into this world as Jesus Body among the Wolves etc. But at the second coming the wolves will not be their as the delusions of this world will be gone.

So one who is Truly born again is Saved as all generations as such Souls were Saved.

Now after the second coming they who are Truly Saved, who may survive will not be changed because there Soul is Saved, but all the rest who survive the second coming will be born again, because their are no deception delusions as they are all burnt up. but they will truly need Salvation in Christ to survive 100% because if they were not to they would not survive, mind you not an easy times after, no one will be saying Too Easy bro ! gibberish like they do nowadays.

People who look forward to the second coming are delusional fools, as who looks forward to Hellfire ! sure the era after will be the Kingdom of God with no delusions as Jesus said. but we who are Truly born again are Saved now, only we are living in this world but we are not of it. so noting has changed apart from the worlds temptations and delusions that enslave peoples minds.
 

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God is using One For Israel, who are Israeli-born Jews, to reach orthodox Jews and Muslims, in Israel, with the gospel of Jesus Christ. They have many inspiring testimony videos on You Tube. Check them out some time, I think you'd like them.
One Soul is Saved or it's not end of story.

Jesus Christ said in fact that Nathaniel was the set standard of a true Israelite ? bingo !

A truly worthy Israelite is a servant of God and not many Jews could hold such a position, Now we see in Jacob when he got his Name Israel, that's the standard, he was worthy as the Angel said so. now as to the 12 sons ? only one was truly worthy of God and remember how he was treated by his brothers = not worthy like the one who they were ? of. not to mention all of Gods prophets who were killed ? who killed them, oh the story of the Vineyard points it all out.
 

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I guess it's only by God's mercy that anyone has or ever will be saved.
One thing that I've learned in life is that whether it's old covenant, new covenant, Islam, or anything else, human nature is the same.
People are people are people... no matter what they profess.
Can God change a person's nature? Yes. Do I see much evidence of this? No.
 

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I believe in the second coming is Salvation = Jesus but he does not come in the flesh. that's a Carnal perception, Jesus was in the flesh before they had no regard for him in the flesh then. but that's not the point, Jesus is a messenger.

Jesus Christ is here now, as he said that he would never leave us and they who hold on to nonsense about him coming in the flesh is because they are carnal, such lack what is truly the Key in all this, that is that you must be truly ! born again.
Jesus is coming in his Majesty ! Jesus is coming in the Clouds ! the Clouds represent his Majesty ?

Every eye will see him ? well how can that be when one is in the USA and another is in Australia etc etc well it's because it's a Spiritual awakening and every eye is in your mind, your minds eye so to speak as the lights go on as to the subject at hand in Christ Jesus = our lord and Saviour of our Soul.

Every person starting from the apostles on, when Jesus went to Heaven got the message from the Holy Spirit and all the people who were born from then on who were Truly born again were Saved, there Soul was Saved, they were the Body or Christ, now when the Second coming comes about all who survive will be a Soul Saved person, as after the great Hellfire all the deceptions of This world will be burnt up in fact, so the delusions will not be, because this world that Jesus said that he was not of ? remember ! so from that point comes the Kingdom of God.

Now I am of the Kingdom of God now and so are all who at Truly born again, so what we are who are in the Kingdom of God is that, we are sent back into this world as Jesus Body among the Wolves etc. But at the second coming the wolves will not be their as the delusions of this world will be gone.

So one who is Truly born again is Saved as all generations as such Souls were Saved.

Now after the second coming they who are Truly Saved, who may survive will not be changed because there Soul is Saved, but all the rest who survive the second coming will be born again, because their are no deception delusions as they are all burnt up. but they will truly need Salvation in Christ to survive 100% because if they were not to they would not survive, mind you not an easy times after, no one will be saying Too Easy bro ! gibberish like they do nowadays.

People who look forward to the second coming are delusional fools, as who looks forward to Hellfire ! sure the era after will be the Kingdom of God with no delusions as Jesus said. but we who are Truly born again are Saved now, only we are living in this world but we are not of it. so noting has changed apart from the worlds temptations and delusions that enslave peoples minds.
I don’t know where you got all that, but it’s not from the Bible.

Jesus rose bodily from the dead, and in Acts 1, Jesus ascends bodily and visibly to heaven from mount Olive on a cloud, and the angel said this same Jesus will return in like manner that you have seen Him leave.

That means returning bodily and visibly on a cloud, back to Mount Olive, which He does in Zechariah 14:5. Revelation 1:7 says He comes on a cloud and every eye will see Him. How every eye can see Him, doesn’t matter, but it says it, and that settles it.

Maybe CNN shows it. Thus it is possible for every eye to see.
 

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I do not know any of them.

I have learnt not to take any religious TV show too serious, I remember Rex Humbug and all the rest, sure they do say things that are true but that's the nature of con-artist, if they ask for money or make claims on what they have did or done or about to do, such is not truly worthy of God as such are just only works of Man.

I am one for Israel myself, that means one with the Servants of Christ Jesus.
I believe once one is truly born again then such a one Soul is Saved, as for the Holy Land ? well that to me is the whole world in the Kingdom of God.
Only Carnal people talk about a Place on earth that is Israel, because such is a worldly concept.

Did you know that Christ Jesus has never left us, I will be with you always, he said. now if one claims he is not with you then such a one is lost. but we have people looking for the Kingdom ? But the Kingdom is within you, it's within your grasp. One does not have to see it with your eyes. You are it = Israel, a Servant of God through Jesus Christ as you are truly his body because you abide in him only and are not of this world.

A place on earth such as the so called State Israel ? just does not cut it for me at all as such is another elusion of this world. Such if it came to be as many claim ? or want or demand, so what I say ! that just does not cut it for me, the Land will not Save anyone at all. Only Jesus Christ Saves.

My Jews for Jesus mate, makes huge Carnal claims and claims he is born again, well I know for a fact that he is not at all, as everything is carnal and worldly for him. he thumps his fist that it's not about the Holy Spirit, too me in great anger and that it's all about the Land and that it must be taken by force and to hell with the Semitic Islamic people, he claims it's fine to kill them all and rip them off and steal their Land, not to mention he claims he can kill whoever he wants to regardless. because he claims he is saved regardless. But I say No ! you can not kill as he says at all, such as that is of their Father of lies and who was a murderer from the beginning ?
It's all about getting that Land he claims, they have to win it all back, the whole lot ! But I say God will do all that and he does not need anyone to do his bidding. That Land will come back but that's in Gods time, not Mans.
But my mate shakes his fist and demands that Jesus come back and do his bidding ? The bidding of Man ? did they not get vomited out because they were on a Mans works trip and that's why they could not know who Jesus was ? They seen him in the flesh ! and that made nothing as to the carnal religious, even Jesus disciples did not know him truly until he went to Heaven and the Holy Spirit did the rest of the work in them all. they had faith in that he was Jesus the Christ, but you need more than Faith. you need to be truly be born again as that's the faith that can move mountains.

"Look! He is coming with the clouds, and every EYE will SEE him, and those who pierced him; and all the tribes of the earth will beat themselves in grief because of him. Yes, Amen." (Rev 1:7)

Yes All will SEE but only those having spiritual insight will understand. (Daniel 12:10)

The Greek word used for eye is ophthalmos.

Strong's Concordance
ophthalmos: the eye
Original Word: ὀφθαλμός, οῦ, ὁ
Part of Speech: Noun, Masculine
Transliteration: ophthalmos
Phonetic Spelling: (of-thal-mos')
Definition: the eye
Usage: the eye; fig: the mind's eye.

Even though Peter was walking on water and could See with his Physical Eyes.... It was his Eyes of FAITH that was lacking... Jesus gave multiple signs to look for... an indication that his return was manifest by what was going on in Matthew Chapter 24.

If Jesus was to return in the FLESH... No Signs would be necessary. :)
 
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I think Yair is a hoot! Give him an eye patch and a parrot...Lol
 

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Happy rest day, happy rest day, to you.
It's the best day, it's a blessed day, all the way through.
It's a feast day, made by Yahweh, for me and you.
Happy rest day, happy rest day...to You! :)
 

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I read of a woman who survived Auschwitz and later came to Christ. Years later, she ran into a man who was a guard in her camp. He had also became a follower of Yeshua. He asked her to for give him. Though it took her awhile, she finally did.
A Jew forgave a Nazi...will wonders never cease?
We are to love those who hate us
Bless those who curse us
Pray for those who mistreat us
Give to those who take from us
I'm speaking to myself first.
 
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I read of a woman who survived Auschwitz and later came to Christ. Years later, she ran into a man who was a guard in her camp. He had also became a follower of Yeshua. He asked her to for give him. Though it took her awhile, she finally did.
A Jew forgave a Nazi...will wonders never cease?
We are to love those who hate us
Bless those who curse us
Pray for those who mistreat us
Give to those who take from us
I'm speaking to myself first.

That was Corrie Ten Boom, although I do not know if she was Jewish.