Here is what it all comes down to—- and you’d better get it right!

[Ferris Bueller]

The Baptists are like #3 and they argue on behalf of Calvinism all the time. No?

If I understand correctly, Southern Baptists are Calvinistic (Freewill Baptists are not, obviously), and so they would in no way shape or form condone a truly born again person living in sin. They would follow their Calvinistic leanings and say that person was never saved to begin with.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

Thanks for that reminder....but it ain’t that simple....you guys are confused by Hebrews 10 and think that ANY “ Willful Sin” , If not Repented Of before you die , is not covered by the Blood....so let’s be honest and not limit things to Unbelief.....it's all the same to you guys....

We agree that Hebrews 10:26 is talking about an unsaved person. Where we differ is you say they were never saved and that this is a person who is hearing the gospel and rejecting it willingly. I say it can be that person, too, of course. But since the writer refers to this person, specifically, as being sanctified by the blood he is talking about someone who has accepted the gospel but who then willingly rejects it and goes back to his life of willful, unrepentant sin. For your edification, since 'sanctified' has many meanings, 'sanctified' in the context the author is using it has been defined for us a few verses before vs. 26 in vs. 10 & 14. It means a saved person.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

Been there —- Done That......on every one of these verses.... not going to fool with them AGAIN tonight.....

To be succinct.....any verse that “ seems” to disprove Eternal Security is one of two things.....taken out of context or it is a verse not being delivered to “ The Body Of Christ” .....lets let that suffice for now....

Eternal security is for real. It just doesn't mean what OSAS says it means. Everyone who is in Christ, and stays in Christ is in fact eternally secure. That's why we are told to hold firmly to the gospel and stay in the Son and the Father. That's the place that is eternally secure.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

You know EXACTLY what my Doctrine is , Ferris....by now I bet you know “IT” better than you know your own ! Lol.....

Come on, just say 'yay' or 'nay' if what I wrote is accurate Hyper Grace theology or not. ↓↓↓

But purposely living in the lifestyle of a drug addict, or an adulterer, or a pedophile in the church gets a pass because all these are covered by God's super over abundant grace as long you have believed somewhere in the past, right? Just as long as you're not a legalist! Please make sure we all understand this Hyper Grace theology correctly.

And if it's not accurate, please explain why.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

He preached a False, Perverted Gospel ....Both IT and HE are “ Accursed”. You ever read Gal.1:8? His type “ shipwrecks Faith” at best and damns souls to hell at worst! Ring a bell ? And you try to make “ ME” the Bad Guy?

Yes, you are the bad guy because you were very abusive to him.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

“A little Leaven leavens the whole batch”..... throw this Gospel Pervert a “ pity party” if you like .....Paul said to “cast out” the Spiritual descendants of Ishmael ( Legalists) ....The Leaven Spreader that you are so fond of ( birds of a feather.....) and his “ emotional instability” was probably the work of demons....I truly felt sorry for the guy sometimes, but his ilk is too dangerous to push their unbiblical pablum in a forum where there are Newbies that can fall for his crapola.

Nothing wrong with challenging his beliefs. But you did it in an unkind and cruel way knowing full well his emotional state.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

God HATES Leaven.....so do I....I was happy to play a part in his exiting these Forums...I am honored to be a man that stands up for Paul’s True Gospel Of Grace....Somebody has to do it....

It's how you did it that is wrong. How you treat people is more important than what you believe doctrinally. If you don't believe this then you don't understand what being a Christian is all about.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

You “ Deny” Jesus by Denying His Gospel and His Finished Work Of The Cross to Save you, because if you “ believe” the Gospel , you are Saved .....it’s a Promise Of God....

Nope, haven't denied Christ, lol. I continue to believe in the blood of Christ for the forgiveness of my sin.

 

[BloodBought 1953]

Only that which is available. God's grace does not cover the unrepentant sinner living in the willful sin of his unbelief and rejection of Christ. Hyper Grace says it does.

Any man that does this from birth to death ( Unbelief) does not have a prayer.....you are correct.....I Believe a man can slip from Belief to Unbelief in his lifetime and God will bring him back....it happened to me....

 

[BloodBought 1953]

Hmm....I don't recall raising that argument in that post. Don't assume that's what I was driving at.

Could have fooled me....

 

[BloodBought 1953]

You get the Holy Spirit the very second that you Believe .
Everybody knows this.


Wanna bet?

 

[BloodBought 1953]

Most believers do not know this. And so they take comfort out of just knowing they have the Holy Spirit in them in salvation and never experience the abundant life of the Spirit Christ said he died to give them.


You are just fooling yourself if you think you have “ the Abundant Life” Without RESTING in Paul’s Gospel......You can’t know that you are completely Saved....You have no real peace...Your Salvation is not completed by Christ’s Death on the Cross so that you can rest.....You are still on “ a mission” to be Saved......never having the assurance that brings the Abundant Life , because you might commit a Willful sin and forget to repent about it, thus insuring an eternity in Hell...if what you say is true , you should be sweating bullets.....if I believed falsely like you do, I would be scared as Hell, because you can’t even Remember all of your Willful Sins, much less grovel around for them with your mandatory, manufactured sorrow and regret.....

 

[BloodBought 1953]

Exactly!
I'm trying to wake you up to what he's teaching and get you to stop receiving him in some kind of ecumenical spirit of the world. The person who believes and lives Hyper Grace theology has no part of Christ and us.

I am telling you for the LAST TIME! It’s SUPER Hyper Grace!

 

[BloodBought 1953]

If you are born again you ARE better than the drunk and the prostitute.


Yeah, keep thinking that.....that Drunk will probably make it into the Kingdom before “ you” do ....Just like Jesus told the Proud, self- Righteous Pharisees Of “ His” day....

 

[BloodBought 1953]

It's extremely childish to think you somehow hurt people when you put them on ignore. Actually, for a person your age it probably falls into the category of narcissistic. It's doesn't hurt us for you not to pay attention to us. You're not that special. No one is.

She IS “ special”...... she carries with her something precious....the Truth.....God speaks through her...God does NOT speak through those that preach False, Perverted “gospel” Additions , like Lucky Repentance......the fact that you don’t see it reveals much about you....you have revealed quite a bit lately about yourself that I never suspected in my wildest dreams.....a Proud Grace - Hater....

 

[BloodBought 1953]

We agree !

FYI- most calvinist I know personally do not by into the grace covers our sin and its ok to sin because of Gods grace argument. Grace is NEVER a license to sin.

Somebody show me where I even “ Hinted” That it was “ ok to sin”.....everybody has the Freedom to “ Try” to turn Grace into a “ License to Sin”..... lol....Anybody out there wanna give it a shot? Have at it! Let me know how it turns out....You ever been “ Spanked” by God for being a Sinful Fool....take it from me.....when God takes you to His “Wood Shed”—— He don’t play games....If you are His Child , he’ll knock that “ Grace Abuser” right out of you! What are you Grace Rejectors so afraid of? Don’t you think He saw any of this coming? Your “ god” is waaaaay too small!

 

[BloodBought 1953]

It's how you did it that is wrong. How you treat people is more important than what you believe doctrinally. If you don't believe this then you don't understand what being a Christian is all about.

Thanks, Teach....stop preaching your False,Perverted Gospel Of “ repenting from ALL Willful Sins before you die in order to be saved” and Ill treat you with kindness.....like I do ALL true Brothers....

 

[BloodBought 1953]

Everybody knows this.


I know you don't do well with reading comprehension and so you missed what I said in my post. The manifest felt presence of the Holy Spirit is what comes and goes. Believers are always indwelt with the Holy Spirit. What believers need to do is seek to be filled with the Holy Spirit:

"18Do not get drunk on wine, which leads to reckless indiscretion. Instead, be filled with the Spirit." Ephesians 5:18​

Most believers do not know this. And so they take comfort out of just knowing they have the Holy Spirit in them in salvation and never experience the abundant life of the Spirit Christ said he died to give them.

It’s true . I “ DO” miss a lot of what you say.....it has nothing to do with a lack of “ reading comprehension”..... I just kinda scan over your stuff , because I already know the pablum that will be contained within.....life’s too short....

 

[BloodBought 1953]

It's how you did it that is wrong. How you treat people is more important than what you believe doctrinally. If you don't believe this then you don't understand what being a Christian is all about.

Having the Right Doctrine will determine whether or not you get God's Holy Spirit in you or not....once you have that , how you treat people will take care of itself.....naturally....not something done “ under the lash”

 

[BloodBought 1953]

Nope, haven't denied Christ, lol. I continue to believe in the blood of Christ for the forgiveness of my sin.

.....as long as you “ repent “ from those sins that the Blood was too weak to cover.....you know, those “ willful sins” that your blindness prevents you from seeing....its probably 90% .....of course, all of “ Your” sins are “ accidental”..... lol.....who on Earth do you think you are fooling? Do you think we out here are not humans and fail to understand fallible human nature....oops! I forgot that you are “ better” than others....my bad.....